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Post by Salop_Ian on Feb 6, 2005 19:29:17 GMT 1
Hi Steve. I am one of the people that have been organising the open meeting for the proposed Shrewsbury Town Supporters Trust. I'm sorry that you were not very impressed with the leaflet we prepared for the game on Saturday. However, I am very disappointed that you referred to my colleagues and myself in such a disparaging and insulting way in your post. I don't really think that was necessary and it certainly doesn't display the sort of good communication skills that you feel we lack. If our leaflet looked a bit amateurish there is a very good reason for this. We aren’t advertising executives, PR gurus or politicians – we are just ordinary Town fans. We are trying to organise a supporters’ trust because we feel it will benefit Shrewsbury Town and it supporters. In preparing the leaflet we tried to put things in an easily digestible format because we felt that being too descriptive and detailed would put people off reading it. We also thought that, with there being 122 Supporters’ Trusts already established, most supporters would be broadly aware of the supporters’ trust movement and what it stands for. In addition, we wanted to leave people just a little curious so they would come to the open meeting to see what this was all about. I’m sorry that you don’t feel that you’ve got enough information. There is a Supporters Direct website devoted to supporters’ trust at www.supporters-direct.org which you might like to have a look at if you do want to find out more. I’m also sorry that you won’t be able to be at the Lord Hill on Wednesday. However, I hope that you will follow the developments with critical interest. Just to say that nothing will give us greater pleasure than processing your application to join the Shrewsbury Town Supporters’ Trust at the appropriate time.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 6, 2005 21:13:02 GMT 1
I will follow developments with interest, and I may end up joining. I think I am probably more annoyed at what I see as a missed opportunity with the leaflet. It could have been the start of rallying cry to get supporters moving, instead I felt it missed the mark and will leave the vast bulk of fans out there totally unmoved.
Maybe the meeting will start something bigger - I hope so - but to do that you have to learn about relating not just to the type of fans who are likely to get involved anyway but to the mass of fans, and that means forgetting designer label type titles - I mean to say, be honest, shrewsTRUST just looks so naff - and getting down to the basics of what it is you are trying to do. The leaflet could have started that. It didn't. Let's hope the next one does hit the mark.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2005 21:16:45 GMT 1
I will follow developments with interest, and I may end up joining. I think I am probably more annoyed at what I see as a missed opportunity with the leaflet. It could have been the start of rallying cry to get supporters moving, instead I felt it missed the mark and will leave the vast bulk of fans out there totally unmoved. Maybe the meeting will start something bigger - I hope so - but to do that you have to learn about relating not just to the type of fans who are likely to get involved anyway but to the mass of fans, and that means forgetting designer label type titles - I mean to say, be honest, shrewsTRUST just looks so naff - and getting down to the basics of what it is you are trying to do. The leaflet could have started that. It didn't. Let's hope the next one does hit the mark. I saw the leaflet and to be honest was impressed at how professional it looked - I wasn't expecting it to be that good. steve - did you speak to any other town fans at the game as to what their opinions were on the leaflet and if so what were their comments?
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 6, 2005 21:24:32 GMT 1
No I didn't, I'm afraid, because I didn't read the leaflet myself until well after the game.
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Post by rob on Feb 6, 2005 21:31:43 GMT 1
having seen the logo I have to say the shrewsTRUST logo looks pretty cool, its simple, uncluttered and has the club colours.
What is naff to you may not be naff to the vast majority of supporters.....
What would you rather have?
the club badge maybe just a blue and amber badge???
You might as well offer up an alternative....
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Post by faginy on Feb 6, 2005 21:35:05 GMT 1
you think the shrewsTRUST logo is naff.
i think dressing up in sci-fi kit in your spare time is naff.
each to their own
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Post by HandsOffMeadowEnjoyment on Feb 6, 2005 21:39:05 GMT 1
you think the shrewsTRUST logo is naff. i think dressing up in sci-fi kit in your spare time is naff. each to their own but its okay to dress up as a woman? try to rise above it mr faginy.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 6, 2005 21:39:55 GMT 1
you think the shrewsTRUST logo is naff. i think dressing up in sci-fi kit in your spare time is naff. each to their own Fair enough, but I am not trying to tempt other people to dress up in SF kit, you are trying to tempt the bulk of Shrewsbury fans to support the trust. As I said, if you want to do that, forget designer labels and adopt some plain speaking about what the trust is for, what it can do and why anyone should join it.
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Post by faginy on Feb 6, 2005 21:40:19 GMT 1
but its okay to dress up as a woman? try to rise above it mr faginy. you know what i mean though.
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Post by rob on Feb 6, 2005 21:41:16 GMT 1
The trust needs an identity, whats wrong with having one, if anything it makes it easier to "market"
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 6, 2005 21:43:30 GMT 1
The trust needs an identity, whats wrong with having one, if anything it makes it easier to "market" Nothing at all, and I've got nothing against calling it ShrewsTrust (or even Shrews Trust as two words, which someone suggested and is probably better), but writing it as shrewsTRUST just looks stupid.
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Post by faginy on Feb 6, 2005 21:43:30 GMT 1
Fair enough, but I am not trying to tempt other people to dress up in SF kit, you are trying to tempt the bulk of Shrewsbury fans to support the trust. As I said, if you want to do that, forget designer labels and adopt some plain speaking about what the trust is for, what it can do and why anyone should join it. rising above it. counting to 10 and all that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2005 21:46:26 GMT 1
I like it
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 6, 2005 21:48:24 GMT 1
Simon if you are at home, take a walk up to Tescos and get something out of a fridge
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Post by faginy on Feb 6, 2005 21:49:44 GMT 1
Simon if you are at home, take a walk up to Tescos and get something out of a fridge Rach has just opened me a fresh bottle
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Post by totallytown on Feb 6, 2005 22:13:14 GMT 1
Hmmm On one level I guess I'm indebted to you Mr Rogerson. I've spent around a year as a 'ghost member' - reading the posts but not responding. But then again... I've only fallen of the fence now as I'm infuriated by your carping negativity. For the record I am in PR and advertising. Have been for years and have employed dozens of people and turned over millions of pounds. Sure, I might have taken a slightly different approach with the leaflet. However, on saturday I was impressed with it and, perhaps as important, with what it stood for - the fact that a group of fans would go to all that effort. For you to respond, not with constructive critiscism, but with such rudeness and negativity frankly says far more about you than about the leaflet. I suggest you need to take a long hard look at yourself and your efforts for the club mate. Of course your approach would be excusable if you were yourself putting in a huge effort on behalf of the club. If you have or are about to then I withdraw my comments. If not, then stay in your armchair but stop knocking those who are prepared to do something positive. You see shortcomings in the leaflet. But who do you really think has done more for the club this week? Those who put in the time and effort to get the leaflet - and meeting - in front of everyone on Saturday. Or you carping on the sidelines? Oh and yes, you're right, you have got right up my nose. Others have been remarkably conciliatory to you in my view. I for one am extremely pleased you won't be there Wednesday. It's a meeting for those who are positive and get things done. Somehow I don't think that's you. And since I'm narked I think I should mark one of my first posts with one of these too...
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 6, 2005 22:17:30 GMT 1
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Post by PorkyShrew on Feb 6, 2005 22:20:05 GMT 1
I started like that totallytown got annoyed with someones post and look at me now BTW for a first attempt, you have to say 'impressive' very much agree HHS
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Post by faginy on Feb 6, 2005 22:21:50 GMT 1
awesome. come and find me at the meeting on Wednesday totallytown, I will buy you a pint. (better print this thread off as proof )
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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Feb 6, 2005 23:18:32 GMT 1
excellent post totallytown...come and find us on wednesday.
To Mr Rogerson If as hoped the vote on Wednesday night is a positive one in favour of setting up a trust then I would urge you to join, I would then like you to pm me with your thoughts behind making this a successful venture.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 0:27:55 GMT 1
I think that shrewsTRUST looks and sounds good.
faginy and I produced upwards fo 20 logos, several names, pooling ideas from a wide variety of people and seeking advice.
We have looked at shapes and size, different badges etc etc and come up with something we think is pretty decent.
You may not like it but that does not make me incompetant. Nor does your opinion of the leaflet.
The leaflet was a visionary statement to whet the appetite of Town fans towards the supproters trust. It added details towards the postcard invite given last week, the articles int he chronicle and star and the interviews on radio shropshire, and the press release on blue and amber and shrewsweb.
We'll judge its success on wednesday.
I guess what I am saying is that if I invited you to my birthday party I would not tell you my life history, or give you a full breakdown of what was going to happen.
When, where and why, the details can come later. That was the role of the leaflet, as well as signposting people such as your good self towards further information.
It is pretty hard to define what shrewsTRUST will be because I don;t know a tenth of the people who will be members, I have probably never met some of the people who will serve on the board and I do not know what some of the strategic areas we can help the club in will be next season.
If Roland has a heart attack as we score our 5th goal at Bury then maybe shrewsTRUST will exist to protect the future of our football club. If Roland flogs the club to Colin Poole for a pound on the way to Bury then maybe we will be fighting for our club in a different way, who knows. If Roland stays another ten years and looks to develop the club then maybe we can look at ways of bringing manpower and cash into the club, bums on seats and shirts on backs.
I don't think we can forget branding or marketing in all of this. This is a new initiative looking for new ideas and a fresh approach.
We don;t want to sound like a 1940s bowling club or a 1960s trade union, this is something fresh, something new, and hopefully something that is presented to local businesses and potential sponsors and funders as something worth backing.
You may think the whole thing is a load of cack, fair enough, but then maybe you just are not prepared to think in the same way?
I may be incompetant in your opinion, but anyone who knows me, my work and education history would tell you otherwise.
You are perfectly entitled to hold an opinion contrary to me, and within the Supporter's Trust you can share that viewpoint publicly.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 0:30:25 GMT 1
For the record I am in PR and advertising. Have been for years and have employed dozens of people and turned over millions of pounds. Sure, I might have taken a slightly different approach with the leaflet. However, on saturday I was impressed with it and, perhaps as important, with what it stood for - the fact that a group of fans would go to all that effort. This means a lot and can you give faginy a job?
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 0:32:48 GMT 1
For the record I am in PR and advertising. It shows. Most people who are "in PR" are crap at PR, and I do know what I am talking about in that, as a journalist, I deal with people in PR every working day. There are very few people who are "in PR" who are any good at it, and you are clearly not one of them.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 0:34:19 GMT 1
I think that shrewsTRUST looks and sounds good. Obviously you do or you wouldn't have picked such a stupid look to the name.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 0:36:29 GMT 1
It shows. Most people who are "in PR" are cr@p at PR, and I do know what I am talking about in that, as a journalist, I deal with people in PR every working day. There are very few people who are "in PR" who are any good at it, and you are clearly not one of them. Hmmm let's get this right Mr PR is rubbish at PR because you think so shrewsTRUST people are incompetant because you think so Fair enough sir, can i suggest two things 1) take some happy pills 2) stop being so self righteous
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2005 0:36:44 GMT 1
It shows. Most people who are "in PR" are cr@p at PR, and I do know what I am talking about in that, as a journalist, I deal with people in PR every working day. There are very few people who are "in PR" who are any good at it, and you are clearly not one of them. Yeh, and I know most people think journalists are fooking tossers. Agreed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2005 0:37:58 GMT 1
PS Dunny and Huddy - I don't mean you!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2005 0:38:15 GMT 1
It shows. Most people who are "in PR" are cr@p at PR, and I do know what I am talking about in that, as a journalist, I deal with people in PR every working day. There are very few people who are "in PR" who are any good at it, and you are clearly not one of them. Steve - have you had a bad weekend? What you're posting seems totally out of character for you.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 7, 2005 0:39:36 GMT 1
Yes, because I think so. This is a forum for people to express what they think, so I write what I think. If you don't like what i think, fair enough, but don't criticise me for saying what I think. Would you rather I came out with a load of arse-licking stuff about how good a job you were doing when I thought you weren't? What good what that do? If you can't take criticism, then maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 7, 2005 0:40:48 GMT 1
Obviously you do or you wouldn't have picked such a stupid look to the name. Your opinion is valid but your tone, style and attitude are wide of the mark
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