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Post by shrewforever on Feb 4, 2005 17:55:42 GMT 1
from GP to the fans in his Q&A section.
Any views???
Dead right in my opinion but if we ever get a hostile crowd at The Meadow,regularly, then I've got a chance at being the next Pope.
If this is up somewhere else on the Board my apologies but I aint looked.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 4, 2005 18:02:42 GMT 1
He also used to say something about the team keeping their part of the bargain with the type of football they would bring in. He shouldn't give us another dead horse to flog - we've had half a dozen years of that.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 4, 2005 18:04:36 GMT 1
Flipping heck Nice Q and A I think we can tell gary very p**sed off at the moment!!! One think i would say - lots of roasting for the fans whilst neglecting to mention 4 shocking results and stating "the players are doing there best and so am I" Im begining to wonder is the best of this set of players going to be enough??? And you want an Atmosphere - get the boys playing with the spirit you want the fans in - if he thinks a crowd of 4000 watching crap football like the last few weeks is suddlenly going to change this weekend, hes sadley mistaken I cant think of a time when the fans are never 100% behind the team untill the let us down??? Its not like they come out to boos and stuff its always really lively untill they shoot themselves in the foot and then dont have the motivatio/skill/or fight to get back in a game!!! I smacks slighly of hypocracy in my eyes and i dont even know what that means And one thing is now certain if we go down hes never going to hang about and help us back!!!
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Post by dachs on Feb 4, 2005 18:08:24 GMT 1
"not getting behind the side is a Shrewsbury trait"
bit harsh, that.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 4, 2005 18:13:41 GMT 1
I reckon he's just come out with that just to get a reaction from the crowd...as in, right...we'll show him, we'll prove him wrong. Hope that’s what he's up to anyhows...
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Post by gobbieshrew on Feb 4, 2005 18:41:52 GMT 1
"not getting behind the side is a Shrewsbury trait" bit harsh, that. i dont think it was harsh at all. i dont get to the meadow very often but one of the things that has always bugged me major style is people who leave before the end, probaly the same people singing "shrewsbury till i die" 20 minutes before hand. bar the singing mob in the riverside, shrewsbury have a poor 12th man. more singing is needed in the stands and wakeman ends, being passionate and noisy is not a crime.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 4, 2005 18:47:09 GMT 1
i dont think it was harsh at all. i dont get to the meadow very often but one of the things that has always bugged me major style is people who leave before the end, probaly the same people singing "shrewsbury till i die" 20 minutes before hand. bar the singing mob in the riverside, shrewsbury have a poor 12th man. more singing is needed in the stands and wakeman ends, being passionate and noisy is not a crime. solution close the Wakeman and force everone into the riverside - that would proabley work you know!!!!!!
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Post by gobbieshrew on Feb 4, 2005 18:50:47 GMT 1
not a bad idea, would be a nightmare at half time trying to get a cup of bovril though!!
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Post by True_Shrew on Feb 4, 2005 18:57:30 GMT 1
Maybe he's forgotten what's it like to be a supporter Then again, a supporter is ment to support so maybe he's right? But he's given us open permission to abuse the **** out the officals, so watch the men on black- were setting Mad Timmy on you BTW We are not savages like some of the Swansea crew, most of them boys just want it to kick off.
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Post by somersetshrew on Feb 4, 2005 19:36:03 GMT 1
Supporters have a right to moan, and boo the team. they pay week in, week out to watch the footie.
When was the last time that GP paid £12 to watch football. we just want value for money. and the odd win.
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Post by scooter on Feb 4, 2005 19:59:38 GMT 1
i dont think it was harsh at all. i dont get to the meadow very often but one of the things that has always bugged me major style is people who leave before the end, probaly the same people singing "shrewsbury till i die" 20 minutes before hand. I don't think too many actually leave (unless we are more than one goal down), but there is a massive crowd by the exit waiting to get away. They start moving round with 15/20 mins left, and annoy people watching the game, but I have occasionally done it myself. Why does it take so long to round the corner from the Riverside to the Wakeman ?
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Post by rob on Feb 4, 2005 20:45:28 GMT 1
oh well ,
give it another month or so of this tripe and he'll be moaning because we're only getting 2,500 through the gate....
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Post by Alf Woods Shinpad left on Feb 4, 2005 21:40:36 GMT 1
SUPPORTERS = CUSTOMERS,
s**tE PRODUCT = CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS !!!
b******s TO BLIND LOYALTY JUST COZ IT'S FOOTIE!!!
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Post by morpheus on Feb 4, 2005 22:25:09 GMT 1
SUPPORTERS = CUSTOMERS, sh!tE PRODUCT = CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS !!! b******s TO BLIND LOYALTY JUST COZ IT'S FOOTIE!!! I am with you on this, Who does he think he is? God? i am showing my support of him/team by going week in week out.......t**t
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Post by shrewforever on Feb 4, 2005 22:34:52 GMT 1
Thought that may be the general view and understandable it is to.
Just thinking though we had a cr@p team before he came,we've still got a cr@p team now.......
Perhaps all hes asking for,which I personally believe,is that we should support them from the terraces,even though they are sh$te,rather than knock them,if we want any chance of staying up and then hopefully improving next season..............
Also complaining about the team is very different to me than knocking them during the game.I moan about em all the time and there is no doubt with good reason,but I believe I always support them verbally during the match.
We've been here before I know but I still think the issue is muddled in some peoples minds.
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Post by morpheus on Feb 4, 2005 22:39:50 GMT 1
I believe we will stay up, but not through our brilliant football but by others stumbling, as i have said he and the team he puts out get my support, but please dont spout s**te(GP) that is about what we need to do...............he should be more concerned with his job
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Post by aleix on Feb 4, 2005 22:48:09 GMT 1
Christ, he'd be really p**sed off if he was manager down here at Barça! But I thought walking out 10mins from the end was a Spanish thing to do!!! Really disappointed that it's happening down the Meadow. Everyone is free to do whatever they like but I think it's a wrong thing to do. You stick with your team, win or lose, playing great or playing s**te, and for 90mins plus stoppage ;D GP has a point about the atosphere except for maybe the Yeovil remark. As I was waiting outside the stadium due to ticket cockup, I heard the minute silence and I thought it was a 10min silence as the crowd were absolute schtum. 7250 let's not forget of which 6000+ were Yeovil. They got going eventually though. Another point is the pressure on teh ref. Damn right. A ref is a human being (let's not forget) and unless his name is Pierluigi Collina when thousands of people are yelling at him he s**ts his pants and goes with the flow. Simple. Give the b'astard in black hell tomorrow
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Post by bill on Feb 5, 2005 0:41:53 GMT 1
i competely agree with what he says apart from a few and it sounded a few on the riverside we we a discrace for a home side on sat. iv heard more noise at a kids party. even at one nill all you could hear was the away end. i dont know why but there is a far better crowd noise at away games and always has been since the 80s. i can remember being 3 nill down and you would think we were wining by the noise we made, but now its like an old folks home with every one moaning like old wimen at the bingo.from now till safety every game should be like a cup match. Then moan all you like once we are safe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2005 0:48:00 GMT 1
I respect all views BUT....
I went to several games at Swansea in seasons 2001/2 and 2002/3.
Two of the worst teams to play football at this level and yet they stayed up, not solely due to the crowd, but the support they gave was fantastic.
Sure they got frustrated as anyone but away teams did not like playing there.
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Post by timgallon on Feb 5, 2005 1:50:50 GMT 1
Maybe if the Town attacked the home (wakeman) goal in the first half rather than the second then not so many would walk round early at the end of the game???
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 5, 2005 3:59:44 GMT 1
Of course I have used the Swansea example myself. I've now read the comments four or five times now and I think there is a serious possibility that I will be offering to do the pre-match team talk before the end of the season like I did two years ago.
These are comments from a "come and go" manager - his words. He has very little right to make them. And he is wrong to make them on the back of the last game.
We should be arriving at this point ourselves.
The old policies will no longer avail us. We cannot afford the luxury any longer of being spectators to our own misfortunes. We support a football club that is 22nd in the fourth division and yet is punching above its weight. But bad things only happen at football clubs because the fans let them happen. Only if we change our behaviour is there a chance that the Club's fortunes will change. We did it in 2000, we can do it again, and may I suggest that the Lord Hill next Tuesday night is where we start?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 5, 2005 8:15:59 GMT 1
Totally agree what gary says - our home support is terrible. But like I have said before its a regional thing. If Wolves aren't 1-0 up after 15 mins, the crowd always turns. Its a vicious circle though - bad performance = nothing to shout about I firmly believe in good vibes, good atmosphere HELPS the team to relax and play better. When we played Everton, the come on you blues chants were heard from all over because fans could feel something special coming on. It encouraged the team. Why cant the fans go into full voice come on you blues every time we have a corner..? Korea 0-1 Egypt - Korea fans applaud the team during the last 5 minutes sensing defeat, just like Liverpool do - you will never walk alone and Liverpool, Liverpool until the final whistle - people who attend the Gay Meadow if we are losing, just walk with their heads bowed and head for the pub with cries of "bloody rubbish town" Im not saying fans here in B+A dont sing/dont care etc but as a whole the Meadow folk dont produce the atmosphere I see at other grounds that Gary is talking about When was the last ROAR when someone went down the wing, the ball cross, missed goal then the crowd actually cheer and applaud to full volume..? ? Instead its OH THATS RUBBISH TOWN... players hear it, it gets them down - dont say fans pay and have a right etc etc cause you are correct, but negative vibes means less confidence C O M E O N Y O U B L U E S
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2005 11:52:56 GMT 1
Only if we change our behaviour is there a chance that the Club's fortunes will change. We did it in 2000, we can do it again, and may I suggest that the Lord Hill next Tuesday night is where we start? You can, but it would be more helpful if they turned up on Wednesday
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 5, 2005 12:48:48 GMT 1
I respect all views BUT.... I went to several games at Swansea in seasons 2001/2 and 2002/3. Two of the worst teams to play football at this level and yet they stayed up, not solely due to the crowd, but the support they gave was fantastic. Sure they got frustrated as anyone but away teams did not like playing there. What ? make the GM NOT a nice place to play for the opo's what us no......... do you mean become the 12th man, actually do the players job for them, really help a crap team become better, help fire em up, scream at every stupid desision the ref/asst ref make's..... Sorry no can't be done, must make sure we are the most liked bunch of supporters in the league by assiting the opposing team win.... I want help in the Wakeman stand, Wiggy and me sit together and feel like 2 little voices sitting amongst AWAY supporters, we have lost 2 helpers to the riverside, they can't cope with the vile rubbish anymore.. PS some of the above statements are made " "
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Feb 5, 2005 12:54:24 GMT 1
we have lost 2 helpers to the riverside, they can't cope with the vile rubbish anymore.. ....so he now stands by me spouting it
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 5, 2005 12:59:33 GMT 1
Ask JP to introduce you. I'm going to make a total wally of myself today, with Wiggy, oh not wanting to leave mother out but she is a little quiet at the mo and shouldnt be coming as she has had a stroke, but insists that she has to be there to help as much as she can, very good at letting the Ref know how crap he is
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Post by pawlo on Feb 5, 2005 13:06:14 GMT 1
Been said a thousand times before, but this is a two way thing.
I agree that the crowd should get behind the team, heckle the oppossing players, boo the ref, and generally make life as unpleasant as possible for the opposition.
But, the crowd will only react like this if they see the team making the same effort.
The atmos during the swansee game here was excellent IMO. Not just cos of the trouble in the terraces, but because the team where on fire, fighting for everything.
We know that if the team fight and put 110% into the game and play a good game of football, the crowd will back them and join in that fight. We also know that just because the crowd gives 110%, doesnt mean the team will do the same.
I get very sick and tired of excuses.
Name me one other business where the product is crap, yet the reason for for the product being crap is blamed ( in part ) on the customers.
The last couple of home games i have been bored by half time.
If GP sorts out the team, the fans will follow. Does anyone really believe that if GP sorts out the fans, the team will follow?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2005 13:15:44 GMT 1
Name me one other business where the product is cr@p, yet the reason for for the product being cr@p is blamed ( in part ) on the customers. Football is not a product though Pab. If I go to Virgin today, I buy a record that I know I am 99% likely to enjoy. when I go to the Meadow, I know that I have a 25% chance of coming out of there with a smile on my face. 75% chance of ruining my weekend. But that's why I love it.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 5, 2005 13:37:03 GMT 1
You can, but it would be more helpful if they turned up on Wednesday Oh yeah. Now you have me worried - I'm sure there's a Tuesday meeting for something.
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Feb 5, 2005 13:48:04 GMT 1
Football is not a product though Pab. If I go to Virgin today, I buy a record that I know I am 99% likely to enjoy. when I go to the Meadow, I know that I have a 25% chance of coming out of there with a smile on my face. 75% chance of ruining my weekend. But that's why I love it. Thats it Gareth, I'm getting worried, I keep agreeing with you. Pab, I understand what you mean, you know at the moment the team are playing crap, a win is rare, so why do we keep going? because we can't help it, we love the club, do you support something you love by positive means or negative? Do we really have the time to wait for a good game to support the team. This was pointed out to me...your away following is bloody noisey aint it, not bad at all for the numbers you bring.......why are you so quiet at home? numbers don't mean anything regarding support, its the atmosphere we the fans make, or don't as the case may be.. Do our players standing in the tunnel ever actually say "listen to that noise" I doubt it..
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