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Post by wickedwilleh on Nov 3, 2024 18:26:58 GMT 1
A big FU to all the fans that have been disrespectful to this Legend. He's made mistakes but we should all be very grateful for his efforts to keep our club alive. Not sure what the scenes were at the end of the game yesterday but they have certainly hit a nurve. Spot on, I’ve always thought a lot of the vitriol aimed at him over the years smacked of jealousy. |
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Post by venceremos on Nov 3, 2024 18:36:32 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice.
If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced.
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Post by rickyspanish on Nov 3, 2024 18:57:07 GMT 1
Woe is me.
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Post by akpaakpost on Nov 3, 2024 19:00:41 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice. If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced. I think I’ve taken the approach that if it’s Parrish as interim it means the takeover is close. If it’s a long term appointment then , like you said, we’re all getting lied too. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 19:03:04 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice. If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced. I spoke about this myself earlier in the week, I asked does it mean talks will be on hold, or does it mean talks are now speeded up and new owners want in even quicker so they can pick a manager, as I said, you couldn't write this |
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 3, 2024 19:19:33 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice. If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced. I imagine its very much RW's club until the ink is dry so he has to do what's best in his eyes. |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Nov 3, 2024 20:03:11 GMT 1
Just a really odd statement, and one that's presumably been pushed by the main man against the advice of experienced comms people who would surely have been advising against it.
Let's hope he's given a minimum three month ban from posting on the website.
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Post by jontifree on Nov 3, 2024 20:15:10 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice. If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced. If the group/people/person looking at buying the club would consider pulling out because a new manager is appointed then I would be very concerned about their long term plans for the club & glad to see them walk away. They are buying the club, not a manager (let’s face it whoever it is has a limited lifespan anyway, such is the nature of football management. Why would we not appoint someone until the end of the season, maybe put something in the contract where it will be extended if they keep us up. |
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Post by venceremos on Nov 3, 2024 20:53:48 GMT 1
I’m struggling to understand how a board in advanced negotiations to sell can sack the head coach. How can the board appoint a new manager if that’s the case? New owners would want to make their own choice. If we now appoint an interim head coach, fair enough. A longer term appointment would make me worried that the sale talks really aren’t that far advanced. If the group/people/person looking at buying the club would consider pulling out because a new manager is appointed then I would be very concerned about their long term plans for the club & glad to see them walk away. They are buying the club, not a manager (let’s face it whoever it is has a limited lifespan anyway, such is the nature of football management. Why would we not appoint someone until the end of the season, maybe put something in the contract where it will be extended if they keep us up. It isn’t necessarily a question of pulling out, but if I were negotiating to buy any business and the current owners sacked the key employee, I wouldn’t expect them to give a long term contract to a successor. That’s got to be my choice once the deal’s confirmed. The seller’s expecting to leave, so the future’s more my concern than theirs. It’s like starting to build a house extension while you’re negotiating to sell it. At a push a buyer might be ok with an interim appointment till the end of the season (though I wouldn’t), because they know they’re buying a club that’s more likely than not to be relegated anyway. But I doubt they’d want a contractual right to an extension. Who’d want to buy a club knowing they could be walking into a liability to pay off a head coach’s contract? Put it this way, if I was the potential buyer I’d insist any such liability stayed with Wycherley. Business is business! |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 21:22:51 GMT 1
I think the club will, by the close of play tomorrow be inundated with CVs from managers desperate to get their hands on the position of town head coach if changing the manager means talks are not going to be sorted by the end of the season then the only option is to take the appointment of a new manager seriously as a long term solution and not a temp measure the only temp measure I can see is MM steps in if we are not sorted by next saturday its either going to be an interesting week with a lot happening, or quite a frustrating one where nothing happens in 2018 our manager was sacked the day after playing Salford same year the new manager was appointed just in time for the trip to Burton where we lost 2-1  |
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 21:32:38 GMT 1
I don’t understand how he can offer to resign  He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 21:40:19 GMT 1
I don’t understand how he can offer to resign He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it. burtons new chairman quit over a month ago www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/07/ole-jakob-valla-strandhagen-update/ |
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Post by jontifree on Nov 3, 2024 21:40:44 GMT 1
If the group/people/person looking at buying the club would consider pulling out because a new manager is appointed then I would be very concerned about their long term plans for the club & glad to see them walk away. They are buying the club, not a manager (let’s face it whoever it is has a limited lifespan anyway, such is the nature of football management. Why would we not appoint someone until the end of the season, maybe put something in the contract where it will be extended if they keep us up. It isn’t necessarily a question of pulling out, but if I were negotiating to buy any business and the current owners sacked the key employee, I wouldn’t expect them to give a long term contract to a successor. That’s got to be my choice once the deal’s confirmed. The seller’s expecting to leave, so the future’s more my concern than theirs. It’s like starting to build a house extension while you’re negotiating to sell it. At a push a buyer might be ok with an interim appointment till the end of the season (though I wouldn’t), because they know they’re buying a club that’s more likely than not to be relegated anyway. But I doubt they’d want a contractual right to an extension. Who’d want to buy a club knowing they could be walking into a liability to pay off a head coach’s contract? Put it this way, if I was the potential buyer I’d insist any such liability stayed with Wycherley. Business is business! Had Hurst remained they would have been buying his contract & any clauses contained within it, so no real difference. Also, I might like the extension being built. I’d be more likely to walk away/ renegotiate if the current owner let the house fall down whilst I was trying to buy it. |
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 21:54:02 GMT 1
I don’t understand how he can offer to resign He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it. burtons new chairman quit over a month ago www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/07/ole-jakob-valla-strandhagen-update/Perfectly normal when you don’t own the business. Have never seen a chairman resign who actually owns the business. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 22:00:40 GMT 1
It isn’t necessarily a question of pulling out, but if I were negotiating to buy any business and the current owners sacked the key employee, I wouldn’t expect them to give a long term contract to a successor. That’s got to be my choice once the deal’s confirmed. The seller’s expecting to leave, so the future’s more my concern than theirs. It’s like starting to build a house extension while you’re negotiating to sell it. At a push a buyer might be ok with an interim appointment till the end of the season (though I wouldn’t), because they know they’re buying a club that’s more likely than not to be relegated anyway. But I doubt they’d want a contractual right to an extension. Who’d want to buy a club knowing they could be walking into a liability to pay off a head coach’s contract? Put it this way, if I was the potential buyer I’d insist any such liability stayed with Wycherley. Business is business! Had Hurst remained they would have been buying his contract & any clauses contained within it, so no real difference. I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a buyer, if I was serious maybe tomorrow is the day to get the deal rushed through and done, and pick a new manager myself , will I even be consulted about a new manager I'm about to take on for the next 2-3 years , will I be p**sed off if im not and walk away ? I honestly have no idea to any of those, if I was buying a car that ive test driven and turned up and found they had changed the engine , I would be running a mile  |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 22:05:53 GMT 1
Perfectly normal when you don’t own the business. Have never seen a chairman resign who actually owns the business. I imagine our chairman didnt sleep last night, and today offered to walk away leaving the club in the hands of Duncan , Liam and co they clearly calmed him down and talked him out of it, having heard the chairman speak myself (April) , I fear if this happens again, he wont give them a choice. he will just walk away , I for one would not blame him, I could at least soon look forward to football free Saturdays |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 22:10:25 GMT 1
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 3, 2024 22:36:07 GMT 1
I don’t understand how he can offer to resign He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it. He's majority share owner and Chairman. It's the Chairman role he offered to resign from. I am assuming he was disappointed with the abuse aimed his way yesterday after trying his best (without pay) for STFC. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 3, 2024 22:38:53 GMT 1
Had Hurst remained they would have been buying his contract & any clauses contained within it, so no real difference. I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a buyer, if I was serious maybe tomorrow is the day to get the deal rushed through and done, and pick a new manager myself , will I even be consulted about a new manager I'm about to take on for the next 2-3 years , will I be p**sed off if im not and walk away ? I honestly have no idea to any of those, if I was buying a car that ive test driven and turned up and found they had changed the engine , I would be running a mile Moore is the engine though, Hurst is just the car washer. I understand your point but how far do you take it? If it is not done by Jan 1st does that mean we should hold of signing any players because the new owners might not want them? The only way to play it is for RW to continue to do his job until he sells up. |
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 22:45:32 GMT 1
Did they, or was it a hollow statement ? |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 22:47:04 GMT 1
I've been trying to put myself in the shoes of a buyer, if I was serious maybe tomorrow is the day to get the deal rushed through and done, and pick a new manager myself , will I even be consulted about a new manager I'm about to take on for the next 2-3 years , will I be p**sed off if im not and walk away ? I honestly have no idea to any of those, if I was buying a car that ive test driven and turned up and found they had changed the engine , I would be running a mile Moore is the engine though, Hurst is just the car washer. I understand your point but how far do you take it? If it is not done by Jan 1st does that mean we should hold of signing any players because the new owners might not want them? The only way to play it is for RW to continue to do his job until he sells up. in my book, signing a player in January is trivial compared to changing a manager whilst in exclusive talks to sell the club |
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 22:48:03 GMT 1
I don’t understand how he can offer to resign He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it. He's majority share owner and Chairman. It's the Chairman role he offered to resign from. I am assuming he was disappointed with the abuse aimed his way yesterday after trying his best (without pay) for STFC. Stepping away from day to day running of the club v walking away from his investment are two entirely different things. The former would be sensible, the latter would probably/possibly lose him all of his investment. His statement suggests that it was the latter which he was never going to do. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 22:55:13 GMT 1
Did they, or was it a hollow statement ? no idea, I think the Gillingham owner walked away not so long ago, left the board in control until he sold up, no idea if he put any more money in or not |
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 23:02:09 GMT 1
Did they, or was it a hollow statement ? no idea, I think the Gillingham owner walked away not so long ago, left the board in control until he sold up, no idea if he put any more money in or not Paul Scally ? He was a minority shareholder and got kicked out. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 23:13:26 GMT 1
no idea, I think the Gillingham owner walked away not so long ago, left the board in control until he sold up, no idea if he put any more money in or not Paul Scally ? He was a minority shareholder and got kicked out. lol , he owned the club longer than Roland has owned ours |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Nov 3, 2024 23:19:25 GMT 1
I think the club will, by the close of play tomorrow be inundated with CVs from managers desperate to get their hands on the position of town head coach if changing the manager means talks are not going to be sorted by the end of the season then the only option is to take the appointment of a new manager seriously as a long term solution and not a temp measure the only temp measure I can see is MM steps in if we are not sorted by next saturday its either going to be an interesting week with a lot happening, or quite a frustrating one where nothing happens in 2018 our manager was sacked the day after playing Salford same year the new manager was appointed just in time for the trip to Burton where we lost 2-1 Do actually agree that we'll have plenty of applicants and interest. Whether a takeover is imminent or not, we're still a L1 team and there's two thirds of a season to save that, and therell be interest from managers in the leagues below and unemployed ones. The idea from some that we should have stuck with Hurst because no-one else could possibly want it is a ludicrous one imo. Funnily enough it's Hurst's first spell that proves this - lots of Grimsby fans and neutrals thought he was mad to leave a L2 team in the play-offs for a team bottom of L1. 18 months later he was in the Championship. |
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 3, 2024 23:38:43 GMT 1
I think the club will, by the close of play tomorrow be inundated with CVs from managers desperate to get their hands on the position of town head coach if changing the manager means talks are not going to be sorted by the end of the season then the only option is to take the appointment of a new manager seriously as a long term solution and not a temp measure the only temp measure I can see is MM steps in if we are not sorted by next saturday its either going to be an interesting week with a lot happening, or quite a frustrating one where nothing happens in 2018 our manager was sacked the day after playing Salford same year the new manager was appointed just in time for the trip to Burton where we lost 2-1 Do actually agree that we'll have plenty of applicants and interest. Whether a takeover is imminent or not, we're still a L1 team and there's two thirds of a season to save that, and therell be interest from managers in the leagues below and unemployed ones. The idea from some that we should have stuck with Hurst because no-one else could possibly want it is a ludicrous one imo. Funnily enough it's Hurst's first spell that proves this - lots of Grimsby fans and neutrals thought he was mad to leave a L2 team in the play-offs for a team bottom of L1. 18 months later he was in the Championship. All this is true, as far as it goes, but that isn't very far at all, as it fails to take into account that STFC is not the same stable and financially secure Club it was back then |
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Nov 4, 2024 2:13:38 GMT 1
Just a little thing I noticed in the official notification of PH’s dismissal and that it highlights his win % for this season (10.5 %) which is something I have never seen in a club’s notice of a managers sacking! I wonder if MM had a hand in drafting this message!
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 4, 2024 8:42:38 GMT 1
Paul Scally ? He was a minority shareholder and got kicked out. lol , he owned the club longer than Roland has owned ours Paul Scally had a minority shareholding - he did not own the club It is a completely different scenario. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 4, 2024 9:09:46 GMT 1
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He has the majority stake in the club and can do exactly what he wants; they all knew that anybody who had said yes would have been out. Really odd thing to say - and why ? Is he faux blaming himself for the team selection or appointment of Hurst ? I just don’t get it.