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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 7:37:48 GMT 1
Something I found interesting today at the end of the match. Hoole screamed into his top and looked visibly upset when the full time Whistle was blown. He held his hands up to the crowd and said he was sorry at least twice. I was a bit confused because I don't recall him making many big mistakes or missing any chances. Only thing I can think of is that it was his man at the corner who scored the goal. I missed that, I thought he had a good game. I suppose it shows he cares and was upset we lost ? |
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Post by tractorshrew on Sept 15, 2024 7:46:48 GMT 1
We played very well first half and should have been one up. However, Hurst’s refusal to start with more than one striker doesn’t help- Lloyd works very hard but is often isolated. Also, I’m really unsure what Ojo brings to the team.
Worried about the team’s confidence after yesterday.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Sept 15, 2024 8:06:50 GMT 1
Either Sagoe tripped over his laces or that's a stonewall penalty. At normal speed I was screaming at the TV, and I have seen those given, but on the replay I just don't think there was enough contact for that one to be given. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 8:15:08 GMT 1
I said it when he left and I stand by it, Udoh was the biggest loss and I don’t think people realise just how good he was for us in such a creatively bereft side. 4 goals scored in 6 games, and we’ve already blanked in four games this season. It doesn’t matter who we pick, what the system is, who’s in charge, we can change anything and we still can’t consistently score goals at this level. And it’s all well and good saying keep playing like that and we’ll be fine, but I don’t see many signs at all that we will be fine. This season udoh has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes Coincidentally Tom has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes You'd think udoh would have a better rate playing in a side that has scored 10 goals compared to our 4 Both players have zero assists too One is probably on 2 or 3 times the money that the other is on |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 8:27:24 GMT 1
Just seen the goal, it looks worse on TV, the keeper made a mess of it, he might have lost the ball with the sun in his eyes, which just brings me back to a point iv already made, he spent a lot of the and second half with his hands over his eyes due to the sun, just such a basic error to not take a hat when you know you are going to be facing the sun.
Also our player on the line should have done better.
Conceding a goal from a header that far out is very poor and really disappointing.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 15, 2024 8:43:14 GMT 1
I said it when he left and I stand by it, Udoh was the biggest loss and I don’t think people realise just how good he was for us in such a creatively bereft side. 4 goals scored in 6 games, and we’ve already blanked in four games this season. It doesn’t matter who we pick, what the system is, who’s in charge, we can change anything and we still can’t consistently score goals at this level. And it’s all well and good saying keep playing like that and we’ll be fine, but I don’t see many signs at all that we will be fine. This season udoh has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes Coincidentally Tom has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes You'd think udoh would have a better rate playing in a side that has scored 10 goals compared to our 4 Both players have zero assists too One is probably on 2 or 3 times the money that the other is on So Bloxham up top then? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 8:43:38 GMT 1
I said it when he left and I stand by it, Udoh was the biggest loss and I don’t think people realise just how good he was for us in such a creatively bereft side. 4 goals scored in 6 games, and we’ve already blanked in four games this season. It doesn’t matter who we pick, what the system is, who’s in charge, we can change anything and we still can’t consistently score goals at this level. And it’s all well and good saying keep playing like that and we’ll be fine, but I don’t see many signs at all that we will be fine. This season udoh has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes Coincidentally Tom has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes You'd think udoh would have a better rate playing in a side that has scored 10 goals compared to our 4 Both players have zero assists too One is probably on 2 or 3 times the money that the other is on I’m sorry but I won’t entertain any comparison between Bloxham and Udoh and to be honest I don’t even think you’ve convinced yourself. The stats of the last four or five seasons at Salop speak for themselves. The only point you make which has some relevance is the wages, a sad indictment of where we’re at that Wycombe can cherry pick our best players on an annual basis. I wonder if there’s anyone they’d fancy from us next summer, doubtful. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 9:00:07 GMT 1
This season udoh has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes Coincidentally Tom has 2 goals and a scoring rate of every 168 minutes You'd think udoh would have a better rate playing in a side that has scored 10 goals compared to our 4 Both players have zero assists too One is probably on 2 or 3 times the money that the other is on I’m sorry but I won’t entertain any comparison between Bloxham and Udoh and to be honest I don’t even think you’ve convinced yourself. The stats of the last four or five seasons at Salop speak for themselves. The only point you make which has some relevance is the wages, a sad indictment of where we’re at that Wycombe can cherry pick our best players on an annual basis. I wonder if there’s anyone they’d fancy from us next summer, doubtful. Udoh 4 seasons with us , averaged 6 goals a season Had he signed for us and got injured the narrative would have been why have we given a contract to an injury prone player who doesn't score many goals Of course I'd prefer udoh to bloxham but I'm just producing facts |
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Post by AlisonS on Sept 15, 2024 9:19:01 GMT 1
I must have been at a different game…entertaining, attacking football, with a much more agile defence and an emerging teamwork reminiscent of Hurst’s first spell. Charlton re-thought at half time and capitalised on a mistake, they are at the top for a reason. Their goalkeeper made at least two outstanding saves. Persevere with this and we’ll be fine
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 9:27:00 GMT 1
I must have been at a different game…entertaining, attacking football, with a much more agile defence and an emerging teamwork reminiscent of Hurst’s first spell. Charlton re-thought at half time and capitalised on a mistake, they are at the top for a reason. Their goalkeeper made at least two outstanding saves. Persevere with this and we’ll be fine I totally agree, its was entertaining, we gave 100%, couple of great weeks off the pitch, should have taken 3 points and jumped up a few places but....this is football, it doesnt always go to plan every week at least 50% of football fans around the world cannot get their heads around that  |
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Post by MetaShrew on Sept 15, 2024 11:49:19 GMT 1
We played well, with some flashes of genuinely exciting stuff. However, it is far from obvious where goals are going to come from. We seem to have more pace and bustle about us than last season, but we've gone even further backwards on the finishing front.
Is it just me, or does it also seem we have assembled an entire squad of players who are not particularly tall? We are quite handy at putting balls into the box, but who is expected to be on the end of them? The same goes for corners. We may want a team crafted in Paul Hurst's image, but not literally.
On a complete side note, are 'dizzy penalties' really a good idea? Seems something 'carnival freak show' about getting kids to do this for half-time entertainment. Presents the club in something of an unsavoury light. Then again, having wannabes make fools of themselves on the Meadow pitch while Roland Wycherley wins the Golden Gamble is perhaps a perfect representation of where we are in 2024.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 12:49:59 GMT 1
We played well, with some flashes of genuinely exciting stuff. However, it is far from obvious where goals are going to come from. We seem to have more pace and bustle about us than last season, but we've gone even further backwards on the finishing front. Is it just me, or does it also seem we have assembled an entire squad of players who are not particularly tall? We are quite handy at putting balls into the box, but who is expected to be on the end of them? The same goes for corners. We may want a team crafted in Paul Hurst's image, but not literally. On a complete side note, are 'dizzy penalties' really a good idea? Seems something 'carnival freak show' about getting kids to do this for half-time entertainment. Presents the club in something of an unsavoury light. Then again, having wannabes make fools of themselves on the Meadow pitch while Roland Wycherley wins the Golden Gamble is perhaps a perfect representation of where we are in 2024. I thought the dizzy penalties were quite funny , as for the golden gamble, I think you'll find it was the superblues draw, its a way of making money for the club and open to everyone and anyone, all with a equal chance of winning maybe you'd be happier if we did **** all at half time ? |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 13:07:56 GMT 1
We are making progress even if it's painfully slow.
Let us hope the two Feeneys remain injury free and we don't see Pierre or Nsiala play this season.
They were unable to walk through the midfield as teams did earlier in the season.
I personally prefer Perry, he is a much better player in his new role as holding midfielder, it must be incredibly discouraging to be dropped after doing so well.
I like Castledine he is always trying to make something happen.
If we could play like the first half for 90 minutes watching town will be more interesting and exciting .!!
Not something I thought I would be saying about town this season!!!!!
But as with last season the area of concern is were will the goals come from?
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Sept 15, 2024 13:14:46 GMT 1
Just seen the goal, it looks worse on TV, the keeper made a mess of it, he might have lost the ball with the sun in his eyes, which just brings me back to a point iv already made, he spent a lot of the and second half with his hands over his eyes due to the sun, just such a basic error to not take a hat when you know you are going to be facing the sun. Also our player on the line should have done better. Conceding a goal from a header that far out is very poor and really disappointing. I coach kids to be keepers. I always tell them to bring a cap to every game as you don’t know what the weather’s going to be or where the sun is if it’s a new ground. I have a couple who refuse to wear caps. Strangely enough, both of them have conceded goals because “the sun got in my eyes”! I can understand a kid using this excuse but I honestly believe that a keeper should have a hat on standby at all times. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 13:17:49 GMT 1
Just seen the goal, it looks worse on TV, the keeper made a mess of it, he might have lost the ball with the sun in his eyes, which just brings me back to a point iv already made, he spent a lot of the and second half with his hands over his eyes due to the sun, just such a basic error to not take a hat when you know you are going to be facing the sun. Also our player on the line should have done better. Conceding a goal from a header that far out is very poor and really disappointing. I coach kids to be keepers. I always tell them to bring a cap to every game as you don’t know what the weather’s going to be or where the sun is if it’s a new ground. I have a couple who refuse to wear caps. Strangely enough, both of them have conceded goals because “the sun got in my eyes”! I can understand a kid using this excuse but I honestly believe that a keeper should have a hat on standby at all times. I agree. After seeing the goal on sky it cost us a point. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 15, 2024 13:35:41 GMT 1
So another mistake by the keeper(one at wxm last week) another one next week,and you might see a change in keepers....tbh,I don't think there's much difference between savin and young,what I've seen....Savin seems tentative and weak to me.... we'll see tho in the coming weeks
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Post by edgmond on Sept 15, 2024 13:36:02 GMT 1
Goalkeepers wearing caps…..those were the days.
Everything is prone to fad and fashion and here is a case in point. Every keeper used to come out with spare gloves and a hat and chuck them into the corner of the net. Just common sense.
It’s no wonder the kids are resistant if their heroes are too vain to wear hats.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 15, 2024 13:39:31 GMT 1
We played well, with some flashes of genuinely exciting stuff. However, it is far from obvious where goals are going to come from. We seem to have more pace and bustle about us than last season, but we've gone even further backwards on the finishing front. Is it just me, or does it also seem we have assembled an entire squad of players who are not particularly tall? We are quite handy at putting balls into the box, but who is expected to be on the end of them? The same goes for corners. We may want a team crafted in Paul Hurst's image, but not literally. On a complete side note, are 'dizzy penalties' really a good idea? Seems something 'carnival freak show' about getting kids to do this for half-time entertainment. Presents the club in something of an unsavoury light. Then again, having wannabes make fools of themselves on the Meadow pitch while Roland Wycherley wins the Golden Gamble is perhaps a perfect representation of where we are in 2024. We certainly missed Nsiala at set pieces. The injured striker might be decent as he's a decent size. It's hard to get excited when we get a set peice. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 15, 2024 13:47:10 GMT 1
im not so sure it was a sun problem, it was more to do with our set up, we literally have 4 or 5 players who do nothing during the whole corner, Gilliead being the worst culprit, he simply doesnt move from start to finish, their guy comfortably wins the header at the back, and it loops towards another unmarked guy at the back post and its too little to late from the keeper and one other of our players to react, nothing to do with the sun, just poor set up, zero picking up, zero effort in winning the ball, a perfect example of men v boys there, watch the corner over a few times and you'll see it, put it on slow speed , you'll see it even more
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 14:55:27 GMT 1
So another mistake by the keeper(one at wxm last week) another one next week,and you might see a change in keepers....tbh,I don't think there's much difference between savin and young,what I've seen....Savin seems tentative and weak to me.... we'll see tho in the coming weeks He has had some good games and made some good saves, however against Charlton he was tentavie and dithered, for a defender this is a bit of a pain as you are not sure is he going to come for it or stay on the line. After the injuries he has had and limited playing tine due to this, I suspect his confidence is probably not that great and it can then become a vicious cycle.[br ]Also his error against Wrexham were he did come for a ball due to a defenders error were he really should not have come for may, be playing on his mind, which it will happen more if he is low on confidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 16:20:59 GMT 1
Wasn't there but it looks more of an error of judgement and positioning.
I've seen them disallowed as well.
Man on the post?
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Post by bizzylad on Sept 15, 2024 17:20:29 GMT 1
I must have been at a different game…entertaining, attacking football, with a much more agile defence and an emerging teamwork reminiscent of Hurst’s first spell. Charlton re-thought at half time and capitalised on a mistake, they are at the top for a reason. Their goalkeeper made at least two outstanding saves. Persevere with this and we’ll be fine agree with you first half but the second 45 minutes was a painful watch , crying out for O Riley to change it around. Castledine a bit of a luxury player when the going gets tough.Hurstys insistance of having Lloyd as a lone striker was our downfall. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 15, 2024 17:31:16 GMT 1
I don't want Lloyd to be dropped, he's a trier,and doesn't give up,which is what you want.how do we get round this though,do we take a chance and play marquis up top with him,and drop someone from midfield???
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 15, 2024 17:32:04 GMT 1
Glad hursts manager and not me
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 15, 2024 17:46:13 GMT 1
I recon Marquis to start. Let him bully and push the defenders around. Then bring on Lloyd and he can use his tenacity and pace to take on the tired defence.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 15, 2024 17:46:46 GMT 1
I don't want Lloyd to be dropped, he's a trier,and doesn't give up,which is what you want.how do we get round this though,do we take a chance and play marquis up top with him,and drop someone from midfield??? It is a real dilemma, with another forward we would see someone picking up the ball from Lloyds hold up play, but then we lose a midfield player and risk them opening up the midfield. I'm glad I'm not a manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2024 17:57:58 GMT 1
If you’re a poor team set pieces can make all the difference, however we’re poor at defending them and truly abysmal at attacking set pieces.
If you look at the Cotterill football how many times were games decided in our favour because of free kicks, corners and throw-ins. Might not be pretty but it was (semi) effective. Now we’re neither pretty nor effective.
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 15, 2024 18:18:18 GMT 1
If you’re a poor team set pieces can make all the difference, however we’re poor at defending them and truly abysmal at attacking set pieces. If you look at the Cotterill football how many times were games decided in our favour because of free kicks, corners and throw-ins. Might not be pretty but it was (semi) effective. Now we’re neither pretty nor effective. Amen to this. If you know you’re going to have one of the weakest squads in the division then you need to make sure you’re good at set pieces. I think one of our issues is that we don’t have many tall players, and none of our tall players, other than Nsiala, are particularly good in the air. Feeney, Pierre and Bloxham are all big lads, but never a threat from set pieces. |
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Post by akpaakpost on Sept 15, 2024 18:32:53 GMT 1
If you’re a poor team set pieces can make all the difference, however we’re poor at defending them and truly abysmal at attacking set pieces. If you look at the Cotterill football how many times were games decided in our favour because of free kicks, corners and throw-ins. Might not be pretty but it was (semi) effective. Now we’re neither pretty nor effective. Amen to this. If you know you’re going to have one of the weakest squads in the division then you need to make sure you’re good at set pieces. I think one of our issues is that we don’t have many tall players, and none of our tall players, other than Nsiala, are particularly good in the air. Feeney, Pierre and Bloxham are all big lads, but never a threat from set pieces. I’d actually love to know from our older fans if there has ever been a player like Bloxham, who is a very good height and yet so poor in the air. You could see it at Wrexham where Lloyd would peel off to the wings for goal kicks because Bloxham couldn’t win the first header. I’ve seen players almost a foot shorter than him who’re better in the air (e.g Josh Daniels) |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 15, 2024 18:50:44 GMT 1
This team of midgets,reminds me of the 73/74 side we had, especially the forward line.hope it's not a bad omen
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