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Post by Dancin on Jul 31, 2024 9:51:13 GMT 1
I know a couple of season ticket holders who will probably be asking a refund soon. They moaned enough about having the Peterborough game moved to 12:30pm on a Saturday; they also work into the early evening so the Exeter game being might be the final nail in the coffin for them? They were fully aware this could happen, games get moved for all sorts of reasons, wouldn’t imagine there’s any grounds for a refund. Theres risks involved in going early bird not even knowing what league you’re in or when the fixtures will fall but you get a great discount. Now you don’t like the fixtures you want a refund? They bought in the first early bird period and the Sky deal wasn't announced until after that period had closed. |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 31, 2024 9:53:19 GMT 1
Did we know before February? I don’t remember. Well after the 1st Early Bird Period had ended |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2024 10:00:06 GMT 1
They were fully aware this could happen, games get moved for all sorts of reasons, wouldn’t imagine there’s any grounds for a refund. Theres risks involved in going early bird not even knowing what league you’re in or when the fixtures will fall but you get a great discount. Now you don’t like the fixtures you want a refund? They bought in the first early bird period and the Sky deal wasn't announced until after that period had closed. We all knew it was in being discussed, well I did……..what about all the other reasons games are moved? International breaks, weather / pitch related? Someone tried to get a refund due to a game being moved for international call ups, they failed I think. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2024 10:07:37 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2024 10:13:41 GMT 1
lol what was the lectures when I moaned during the World Cup at the 1230s ?
I think it was your season ticket guarantees you 23 games , not 3pm kick offs 🤣
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2024 10:17:00 GMT 1
I know that and understand it but I won’t be getting another one. From here it’s just not worth it.
I shan’t be after a refund but once bitten I won’t get caught again.
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Post by Dancin on Jul 31, 2024 10:17:55 GMT 1
They bought in the first early bird period and the Sky deal wasn't announced until after that period had closed. We all knew it was in being discussed, well I did…….. I did but I wasn't expecting it to be as radical, i.e. Thursday nights etc. The moves don't really affect me apart from the Burton one potentially spoiling a good away day. But there's at least two I know can't make the Peterborough already and Thursday nights are no good to them. |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2024 10:21:17 GMT 1
I was also quite happy for the odd game to be moved due to internationals as there really aren’t that many in the lower leagues . Also bad weather hasn’t affected much. This though is just not on for me as it’s altering lower league football to the point where I just can’t be bothered with it.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2024 10:21:49 GMT 1
Let's hope we never get into the championship or premier league or Europe
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2024 10:45:21 GMT 1
If we do, we do. We will all know the rules will change should that happen. I just think it’s a shame that lower league football will change.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2024 11:36:11 GMT 1
We all knew it was in being discussed, well I did…….. I did but I wasn't expecting it to be as radical, i.e. Thursday nights etc. The moves don't really affect me apart from the Burton one potentially spoiling a good away day. But there's at least two I know can't make the Peterborough already and Thursday nights are no good to them. I can’t go to Stevenage with the later kick off I'm miffed but that’s life.. May also affect chances of going to Wrexham as I think you’ll need plenty if loyalty points on top of the ST points…… |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2024 12:21:13 GMT 1
I know a couple of season ticket holders who will probably be asking a refund soon. They moaned enough about having the Peterborough game moved to 12:30pm on a Saturday; they also work into the early evening so the Exeter game being might be the final nail in the coffin for them? Thank goodness I made the decision not to renew my season ticket after many years of being a season ticket holder. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 31, 2024 12:45:49 GMT 1
I know that and understand it but I won’t be getting another one. From here it’s just not worth it. I shan’t be after a refund but once bitten I won’t get caught again. I do feel that despite the extra income from the deal we probably wont be much better off due to a drop in revenue from ticket sales all round. |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 31, 2024 12:55:32 GMT 1
I know a couple of season ticket holders who will probably be asking a refund soon. They moaned enough about having the Peterborough game moved to 12:30pm on a Saturday; they also work into the early evening so the Exeter game being might be the final nail in the coffin for them? Thank goodness I made the decision not to renew my season ticket after many years of being a season ticket holder. Was that the reason for not renewing due to the Sky/EFL contract or another reason? |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 31, 2024 13:01:49 GMT 1
I know that and understand it but I won’t be getting another one. From here it’s just not worth it. I shan’t be after a refund but once bitten I won’t get caught again. I do feel that despite the extra income from the deal we probably wont be much better off due to a drop in revenue from ticket sales all round. That's what I am afraid of. How many would Exeter of brought on a Saturday compared to a Thursday night? How many casual supporters can't make 12:30pm on a Saturday compared to 3pm? Or would rather watch it in a Pub? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2024 13:27:30 GMT 1
Thank goodness I made the decision not to renew my season ticket after many years of being a season ticket holder. Was that the reason for not renewing due to the Sky/EFL contract or another reason? One of many reasons - having to shell out £250 for a car park pass on top of the cost of a season ticket because I have mobility issues was one of them. Not best pleased with the Club moving me twice from my original seat on the halfway line either, once because of the new dugouts, then because of covid. The covid block I was moved to and then moved from still remains more or less empty. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Jul 31, 2024 13:38:04 GMT 1
Gosh that's really poor from the club northwestman...did you get any compensation for your troubles?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2024 13:45:12 GMT 1
Gosh that's really poor from the club northwestman...did you get any compensation for your troubles? None - and i gave away the rest of my season ticket money to the Club in that 1st covid season when games were halted. The remaining part of the car park pass money wasn't reimbursed. At least my name is now on the wall! |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2024 17:13:58 GMT 1
Was that the reason for not renewing due to the Sky/EFL contract or another reason? One of many reasons - having to shell out £250 for a car park pass on top of the cost of a season ticket because I have mobility issues was one of them. Not best pleased with the Club moving me twice from my original seat on the halfway line either, once because of the new dugouts, then because of covid. The covid block I was moved to and then moved from still remains more or less empty. sky moved the kick offs the EFL changed the size required for the bench the tories caused covid  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 17:32:19 GMT 1
I know a couple of season ticket holders who will probably be asking a refund soon. They moaned enough about having the Peterborough game moved to 12:30pm on a Saturday; they also work into the early evening so the Exeter game being might be the final nail in the coffin for them? Thank goodness I made the decision not to renew my season ticket after many years of being a season ticket holder. Are you going to Oldham on Saturday out of interest? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2024 18:15:05 GMT 1
Thank goodness I made the decision not to renew my season ticket after many years of being a season ticket holder. Are you going to Oldham on Saturday out of interest? In a word, no. I was at Oldham in the early 1980s when Wayne Williams and Nigel Pearson were making their debuts. I can still recall the smell of their gents to this day! I was also there when Kasule indicated to Andy Goram which side he was putting the ball into. Goram got nowhere near it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2024 18:19:32 GMT 1
Surely the Wrexham games will go to Sundays?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 31, 2024 22:39:51 GMT 1
Are you going to Oldham on Saturday out of interest? In a word, no. I was at Oldham in the early 1980s when Wayne Williams and Nigel Pearson were making their debuts. I can still recall the smell of their gents to this day! I was also there when Kasule indicated to Andy Goram which side he was putting the ball into. Goram got nowhere near it. I was at Oldham the day big Nige and Wayne William's made their debuts. I was also there the night we were 2-0 up at 89 mins and were looking at getting our first ever win on a plastic pitch. We drew 2-2 😭😭😭 I can still feel that sinking feeling now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 9:35:20 GMT 1
Perhaps I'm being a bit melodramatic but I can see that this new deal having a huge impact on the future of English football. I can see crowds in the lower leagues dropping and fans/clubs getting increasingly frustrated with the kick off's being moved, however clubs won't want to lose the income from the tv deal. Therefore, the 'best' outcome is the 3pm blackout is removed so games can be televised but fans aren't inconvenienced. You then have a generation of fans growing up with watching games from the comfort of their home at 3pm on a Saturday. I know that might sound like a stretch but I can see plenty of EFL managers becoming like Klopp and moaning about the fixture schedules, however their chairman won't want to give up the money. Therefore what is the compromise?
On a personal level, it feels to me that Sky are making it easier for me not to attend, I know that sounds a cop-out and ultimately it's my choice but that is the reality of the situation. Take Exeter at home, if that's 3pm on a Saturday, the only option is attend in person or not, I probably will, I will meet friends for few beers before/after and it's a good day (regardless of the football!). Now it's a Thursday night, if I go I rush home from work, have some tea, walk the dog, then head up to the ground after getting moaned at by the wife for going 'out' in the week, the whole experience feels rushed and like I'm trying to squeeze the game in. Alternatively I give it a miss, watch it at home, save the rushing around and also save myself £22
I know plenty will still attend on the Thursday but there will also be casual fans who would have gone had it been on a Saturday. As a one-off you can accept it and the novelty of being on tv blinds people to the inconvenience, but people will quickly get fed up of it (as we can see already)
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 1, 2024 11:03:35 GMT 1
Perhaps I'm being a bit melodramatic but I can see that this new deal having a huge impact on the future of English football. I can see crowds in the lower leagues dropping and fans/clubs getting increasingly frustrated with the kick off's being moved, however clubs won't want to lose the income from the tv deal. Therefore, the 'best' outcome is the 3pm blackout is removed so games can be televised but fans aren't inconvenienced. You then have a generation of fans growing up with watching games from the comfort of their home at 3pm on a Saturday. I know that might sound like a stretch but I can see plenty of EFL managers becoming like Klopp and moaning about the fixture schedules, however their chairman won't want to give up the money. Therefore what is the compromise? On a personal level, it feels to me that Sky are making it easier for me not to attend, I know that sounds a cop-out and ultimately it's my choice but that is the reality of the situation. Take Exeter at home, if that's 3pm on a Saturday, the only option is attend in person or not, I probably will, I will meet friends for few beers before/after and it's a good day (regardless of the football!). Now it's a Thursday night, if I go I rush home from work, have some tea, walk the dog, then head up to the ground after getting moaned at by the wife for going 'out' in the week, the whole experience feels rushed and like I'm trying to squeeze the game in. Alternatively I give it a miss, watch it at home, save the rushing around and also save myself £22 I know plenty will still attend on the Thursday but there will also be casual fans who would have gone had it been on a Saturday. As a one-off you can accept it and the novelty of being on tv blinds people to the inconvenience, but people will quickly get fed up of it (as we can see already) Not so sure about that. Exactly the same was said with Premier League clubs and moved games yet they all but sell out every game. 9 clubs sell over 98% of seats the rest are all well over 90%. Premier League Stadiums Ranked by How Full They Are (as of 29/02/24) Stadium Club Capacity Average Capacity % London Stadium West Ham 62,500 62,430 99.9% St James' Park Newcastle 52,338 52,151 99.6% Anfield Liverpool 54,074 53,852 99.6% Kenilworth Road Luton Town 11,050 10,988 99.4% Emirates Stadium Arsenal 60,704 60,204 99.2% AMEX Stadium Brighton 31,800 31,507 99.1% Brentford Community Stadium Brentford 17,250 17,062 98.9% Goodison Park Everton 39,571 39,048 98.7% Old Trafford Manchester United 74,879 73,517 98.2% Tottenham Hotspur Stadium Tottenham 62,850 61,537 97.9% Molineux Stadium Wolves 32,050 31,324 97.7% Villa Park Aston Villa 42,682 41,640 97.6% Vitality Stadium Bournemouth 11,329 11,039 97.4% Stamford Bridge Chelsea 40,853 39,706 97.2% Etihad Stadium Manchester City 55,017 53,282 96.9% Turf Moor Burnley 21,994 21,281 96.8% The City Ground Nottingham Forest 30,445 29.324 96.3% Selhurst Park Crystal Palace 26,047 24,832 95.3% Craven Cottage Fulham 25,700 24,267 94.4% Bramall Lane Sheffield United 32,702 30,422 93.0% Maybe the increased exposure will increase awareness and attendances. It is change which people don’t like but a new generation of fans won’t even notice. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 11:48:17 GMT 1
Not so sure about that. Exactly the same was said with Premier League clubs and moved games yet they all but sell out every game. Maybe the increased exposure will increase awareness and attendances. It is change which people don’t like but a new generation of fans won’t even notice. Fair point and I recognise my post was a bit worst case scenario. I suppose the key difference is people would still attend a Premier League match in person because of loyalty towards their team, but are also attracted because of the matchday experience of a big ground/crowd and also seeing the best players. I know it's not the case at all clubs but there's plenty of 'daytrippers' or 'tourist' fans in the Premier League. At our level, the main attraction is loyalty towards your club and I suspect for most fans, being on tv won't change that. But a casual fan is less likely to pay £26 on a Thursday night |
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 1, 2024 12:23:13 GMT 1
I see the club are advertising mascot packages. If you have a very child who wants to be a mascot on a Saturday afternoon but couldn’t do an evening match, do you get a refund if sky move the game I wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 12:44:05 GMT 1
I'm not a season ticket holder but especially in winter I try to go to most home games. I generally prefer the mid week games as I feel its a good atmosphere and the convenience of a free weekend.
However with the game on sky, it's very tempting to just drive around to a friends house and watch it instead of getting a ticket.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 1, 2024 12:51:21 GMT 1
Personally I have no issue with the change of dates and times if it makes the club more money.
I don't believe attendances will drop as the new times may encourage other fans that cant get to the game on Saturday at 3.00pm, to come along.
More midweek games are welcome as I thoroughly enjoy games under the lights
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 13:23:49 GMT 1
The idea of making extra money from Sky is a bit of a red herring imo, as if every club in the division is receiving the money, then you’re not really any better off.
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