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Post by Pilch on Jul 31, 2024 16:53:12 GMT 1
hidden signing on fees and bonus payments , appearance fees etc added to the contract without the chairman's agreement , the chairman had already been made aware of the supposed details and agreed only to discover they were later amended and signed off by our ceo who was too busy cooking his own books to check anything Nope Roland agreed the £70k signing on fee and clean sheet bonus, only appearance fee a suprise but hey your berdon sounds better 😂 you are on about marosi, I never mentioned him, I was speaking about players in general, but hey, dont let that stop you sniping at every post I make 😝 ps is that burdon Albion you are on about ? obsessed  |
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 31, 2024 19:12:09 GMT 1
Just watched this on you tube. Very informative and honest from MM He is obviously very knowledgeable on the game and came across very well. Have to say that my opinion of both him personally and his role at the club has changed and I have a lot more confidence going into the new season As long as he can get along with our new CEO who has brought new ideas and enthusiasm to the club I think the future is bright and we can get out of the mess left by Caldwell and Cotterill. Hope also that one day in the future a place can be found at the club for the Brackley manager Gavin Cowan who talks a lot of sense and should never have been sacked by Telford who have been on the slide since he left.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 1, 2024 6:36:12 GMT 1
Its very interesting to see the reaction from the podcast, a lot of people have said similar and that their opinions of Moore have changed (for the better).
It's as if fans having access to people and hearing them first hand gives them an insight into the type of people they are, what their experiences are, what their plans are and generally provide more information about the goings on at the club.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 1, 2024 7:09:30 GMT 1
Its very interesting to see the reaction from the podcast, a lot of people have said similar and that their opinions of Moore have changed (for the better). It's as if fans having access to people and hearing them first hand gives them an insight into the type of people they are, what their experiences are, what their plans are and generally provide more information about the goings on at the club. Maybe but at the end of the day, as already mentioned, the proof will be in the pudding. I don't understand any animosity directed towards Moore, that makes no sense to me at all. Its just about waiting to see whether this new setup works and brings about some success. I certainly have a lot more confidence this time around anyhow with what I consider to be a better manager in place but I still think its a wait and see. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 1, 2024 9:20:31 GMT 1
Maybe but at the end of the day, as already mentioned, the proof will be in the pudding. I don't understand any animosity directed towards Moore, that makes no sense to me at all. Its just about waiting to see whether this new setup works and brings about some success. I certainly have a lot more confidence this time around anyhow with what I consider to be a better manager in place but I still think its a wait and see. My point is Moore (and the new structure/approach) suffered from the lack of transparency last season. Last summers events were a huge event in the clubs history but we heard very little from the club and Moore did become an easy target. Some of it was certainly unfair but I'd also say the club (Roland) didn't help him out from the outset, people wanted to know what went on the previous season, it shouldn't be down to a man who wasn't here to try and provide explanation. The fact we are finding details out 12 months later on a podcast which has nothing to do with the club is really a sign of how we are kept in the dark. I've no animosity towards Moore, like Throb said earlier, if he does well then Shrewsbury Town Football Club do well so it would make no sense to want him to fail. And I certainly hope that in 12 months time we are looking back on a successful season and with a more rosey future thanks to some of the things he has put in place. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 1, 2024 9:28:06 GMT 1
Maybe but at the end of the day, as already mentioned, the proof will be in the pudding. I don't understand any animosity directed towards Moore, that makes no sense to me at all. Its just about waiting to see whether this new setup works and brings about some success. I certainly have a lot more confidence this time around anyhow with what I consider to be a better manager in place but I still think its a wait and see. I've no animosity towards Moore, like Throb said earlier, if he does well then Shrewsbury Town Football Club do well so it would make no sense to want him to fail. And I certainly hope that in 12 months time we are looking back on a successful season and with a more rosey future thanks to some of the things he has put in place. Sure, I think that goes for the vast majority. But I also think the vast majority are just looking to how the new setup works and whether it brings about success or not. I guess it does help somewhat to get an idea of what they are looking to do but at the end of the day its whether it works or not...and I don't think we need regular communication on that, it'll become pretty obvious (as it did last season)...👍 |
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Post by vladimir on Aug 1, 2024 9:59:39 GMT 1
Refreshingly pleased to hear Moore come accross as genuine and thoughtful after the terrible part one.
Some real decent insight into last season and the basis for the recruitment and the decisions taken. Good explainer of his role, and good to hear him and Hurst enjoying a positive relationship.
I was severely critical of the recruitment and it's pace a few weeks ago, but it has really picked up and seems as if the pieces are coming together. Some very promising loans in already and looks as if a couple more to come. Really positive steps on the academy and pushing the under 18s out to various non league levels with clubs that are trusted by the club. Expect Brackley will be signing a few.
Good stuff, and a lesson for the club as to the importance of comms.
If only we could get something now from the Chairman!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 10:22:07 GMT 1
He comes across much better in person than in the media that's for sure.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Aug 1, 2024 18:50:13 GMT 1
One thing I was pleased to hear Moore talk about was the academy, and how it hasn't been performing. He was right to say that the jump between U18 and a League One first team is too steep, particularly given we're a Cat 3 academy. It wasn't the focus of Moore's answer, but he briefly said that the U18s were getting released, and not attracting much interest because they'd never played men's (or any, given limited academy fixtures) football. It's one of the big reasons why we need to address this issue. Yes, most won't make it - but at least we can set them up for decent non league careers, rather than letting them drift into the lower Welsh tiers. The structure Moore spoke about - loaning players out at various non league tiers from 16/17 years old onwards - is definitely one that can work for us. And we're well placed geographically to do so - there's non league/Welsh clubs at a range of levels nearby. I just hope that it's implemented quickly: we've got a few talented youngsters like Loughran about, so let's give them every chance of success. Following up on this, academy player Jeval Thompson McKenzie has signed for Romulus FC (step 9, Midland Premier Division) on loan. Will be interesting to see where others end up. Hopefully this goes well for him |
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Post by dachshund on Aug 1, 2024 19:54:32 GMT 1
Anyone got a source for Micky’s 30-40 goals a season or his 3-4-500 games in the dugout?
Curious to understand what level this is at
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 1, 2024 20:38:43 GMT 1
One thing I was pleased to hear Moore talk about was the academy, and how it hasn't been performing. He was right to say that the jump between U18 and a League One first team is too steep, particularly given we're a Cat 3 academy. It wasn't the focus of Moore's answer, but he briefly said that the U18s were getting released, and not attracting much interest because they'd never played men's (or any, given limited academy fixtures) football. It's one of the big reasons why we need to address this issue. Yes, most won't make it - but at least we can set them up for decent non league careers, rather than letting them drift into the lower Welsh tiers. The structure Moore spoke about - loaning players out at various non league tiers from 16/17 years old onwards - is definitely one that can work for us. And we're well placed geographically to do so - there's non league/Welsh clubs at a range of levels nearby. I just hope that it's implemented quickly: we've got a few talented youngsters like Loughran about, so let's give them every chance of success. Following up on this, academy player Jeval Thompson McKenzie has signed for Romulus FC (step 9, Midland Premier Division) on loan. Will be interesting to see where others end up. Hopefully this goes well for him That's a bit of a low level surely? Wouldnt the level of Brackley or Telford be more like the level he needs to be at? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 20:48:06 GMT 1
I welcome the podcast and learning a bit more about Micky the man aswell as Micky the DoF. And it was certainly illuminating to hear a bit more about how certain events/signings etc happen behind the scenes.
That said, it’s still a case that he’ll be judged on outputs and not on excuses, and there was a lot of ‘mistakes were made’, and ‘bad luck’. And I’m still not entirely sure on what his role actually is other than a glorified recruitment manager.
But I admire his willingness to be open, and makes a nice change from the usual in house media which is often the only access we get. Much appreciated.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Aug 1, 2024 21:38:25 GMT 1
Following up on this, academy player Jeval Thompson McKenzie has signed for Romulus FC (step 9, Midland Premier Division) on loan. Will be interesting to see where others end up. Hopefully this goes well for him That's a bit of a low level surely? Wouldnt the level of Brackley or Telford be more like the level he needs to be at? Don't think the kid has turned 17 yet, so it's too early for him to be playing at a higher level. Would imagine the loan will be reviewed in January, and hopefully he's developed forwards. I would expect Harvey Watts who's slightly older (if he's still at the club?) and maybe Jack Loughran to potentially be loaned to a slightly higher level, given they've got more senior experience |
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 2, 2024 7:46:50 GMT 1
That's a bit of a low level surely? Wouldnt the level of Brackley or Telford be more like the level he needs to be at? Don't think the kid has turned 17 yet, so it's too early for him to be playing at a higher level. Would imagine the loan will be reviewed in January, and hopefully he's developed forwards. I would expect Harvey Watts who's slightly older (if he's still at the club?) and maybe Jack Loughran to potentially be loaned to a slightly higher level, given they've got more senior experience Harvey watts was released end last season. Was having trials trying to get fixed up . |
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 2, 2024 9:36:33 GMT 1
One thing I was pleased to hear Moore talk about was the academy, and how it hasn't been performing. He was right to say that the jump between U18 and a League One first team is too steep, particularly given we're a Cat 3 academy. It wasn't the focus of Moore's answer, but he briefly said that the U18s were getting released, and not attracting much interest because they'd never played men's (or any, given limited academy fixtures) football. It's one of the big reasons why we need to address this issue. Yes, most won't make it - but at least we can set them up for decent non league careers, rather than letting them drift into the lower Welsh tiers. The structure Moore spoke about - loaning players out at various non league tiers from 16/17 years old onwards - is definitely one that can work for us. And we're well placed geographically to do so - there's non league/Welsh clubs at a range of levels nearby. I just hope that it's implemented quickly: we've got a few talented youngsters like Loughran about, so let's give them every chance of success. Following up on this, academy player Jeval Thompson McKenzie has signed for Romulus FC (step 9, Midland Premier Division) on loan. Will be interesting to see where others end up. Hopefully this goes well for him Steps only start at non league level, so Midlands Prem is Step 5 (but level 9 of all leagues). So Brackley are at National League North so Step 2 but Level 6. Telford the next one down. Jeval looks very slight to me so wonder if that impacts him being any higher. And the physicality of pre season hugely different to the realities of league games |
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 2, 2024 13:38:46 GMT 1
Found the second part of the pod in particular a really good listen.
Although some of his deals last season didn’t work out, I’m definitely prepared to give him time, and the benefit of the doubt. I think he’ll come good.
Liked what he was saying about getting the U18s out to play first team football, there’s no doubt that the gap between U18 and League One is too significant to bridge. And it’s good to see his strategy already coming into effect with the lad heading out to Romulus.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 2, 2024 15:40:53 GMT 1
Found the second part of the pod in particular a really good listen. Although some of his deals last season didn’t work out, I’m definitely prepared to give him time, and the benefit of the doubt. I think he’ll come good. Liked what he was saying about getting the U18s out to play first team football, there’s no doubt that the gap between U18 and League One is too significant to bridge. And it’s good to see his strategy already coming into effect with the lad heading out to Romulus. If that was such the strategy, I find it very confusing why were the only players loaned out across the entire of last season Bloxham, Mata and O'Brien Glad Jeval has gone out, but the mismanagement last season doesn't mean to me that he has a clean slate. You can get some scouting wrong, or sign a player that gets injured but what was stopping him loaning out any members of the youth team? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 16:32:46 GMT 1
Found the second part of the pod in particular a really good listen. Although some of his deals last season didn’t work out, I’m definitely prepared to give him time, and the benefit of the doubt. I think he’ll come good. Liked what he was saying about getting the U18s out to play first team football, there’s no doubt that the gap between U18 and League One is too significant to bridge. And it’s good to see his strategy already coming into effect with the lad heading out to Romulus. If that was such the strategy, I find it very confusing why were the only players loaned out across the entire of last season Bloxham, Mata and O'Brien Glad Jeval has gone out, but the mismanagement last season doesn't mean to me that he has a clean slate. You can get some scouting wrong, or sign a player that gets injured but what was stopping him loaning out any members of the youth team? who else would you have loaned out ? |
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 2, 2024 18:08:31 GMT 1
If that was such the strategy, I find it very confusing why were the only players loaned out across the entire of last season Bloxham, Mata and O'Brien Glad Jeval has gone out, but the mismanagement last season doesn't mean to me that he has a clean slate. You can get some scouting wrong, or sign a player that gets injured but what was stopping him loaning out any members of the youth team? who else would you have loaned out ? Youth team players that as highlighted can't make the leap between that and league one so need to go somewhere to play. And now have been released without that experience Bailey, Hutchings, Watts, Owusu-Gyimah etc. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 18:31:01 GMT 1
who else would you have loaned out ? Youth team players that as highlighted can't make the leap between that and league one so need to go somewhere to play. And now have been released without that experience Bailey, Hutchings, Watts, Owusu-Gyimah etc. 3 of those made appearances on our first team bench last season, one played in the pizza cup, I guess thethings going on at the club and an injury crisis took priority |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 20:34:09 GMT 1
"No problem.....Do you know what I mean"?
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Post by dachshund on Aug 3, 2024 6:23:48 GMT 1
You gorra think outsoide the box
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 7:10:30 GMT 1
Why isn't travis hearnes in there when you can't even fill the bench ?
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Post by loudblokefromblock3 on Aug 3, 2024 23:47:18 GMT 1
Moore came across reasonably well on the Podcast imo, still unsure if the structure works for us but more positive now than before the podcast listen.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 6, 2024 8:54:03 GMT 1
Just wondering if you have or will approach Cotterill for a chat about his time at Town? Although appreciate he may not want to may not be able to. But it would be interesting to hear about his time at the club; how he managed to get us to 12th, the story around his leaving etc.
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Post by secretshrew on Aug 6, 2024 9:13:45 GMT 1
No chance he’d do it for free!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2024 14:44:38 GMT 1
I sense Cotterill is busy building his empire at Forest Green.
There also seems a bit of animosity with Dave Edwards and him as well.
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 6, 2024 15:33:57 GMT 1
Just wondering if you have or will approach Cotterill for a chat about his time at Town? Although appreciate he may not want to may not be able to. But it would be interesting to hear about his time at the club; how he managed to get us to 12th, the story around his leaving etc. Can you imagine the can of worms that would open! |
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 6, 2024 16:23:18 GMT 1
Just wondering if you have or will approach Cotterill for a chat about his time at Town? Although appreciate he may not want to may not be able to. But it would be interesting to hear about his time at the club; how he managed to get us to 12th, the story around his leaving etc. That would be class. You’d imagine SC would relish the opportunity to tell his side of the story. Still waiting for a Gary Peters episode as well. Would be a good listen. |
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