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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 9, 2024 16:39:03 GMT 1
Well there's not much of a choice is there ? I'd go Trump over Biden as he seems to have more marbles . Which is why they need a new candidate. Biden's looking as unelectable as William Hague or Neil Kinnock got themselves into here. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 9, 2024 16:42:27 GMT 1
is the tory bashing sub board done now ? No need anymore, the Tories beat themselves over the head until they were comatose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 17:05:45 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board.
Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 9, 2024 17:07:42 GMT 1
To be fair there’s not a lot to debate at he moment. Give it time though.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 9, 2024 17:44:45 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board. Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all. far from it, I think you'll find if you check back the sub board was set up after Sunk took over and it was pretty clear nothing was going to change at number 10 for a couple of years ( exactly what happened ) I got the feeling at the time the labourites were upset about this and took to cancelling blue and amber politics instead ;-) as far as im concerned I dont want it back, and certainly dont want mention of bully boy cotterill on here if anything maybe its time to set up an I Love everything Burton board ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 17:47:58 GMT 1
To be fair there’s not a lot to debate at he moment. Give it time though. I'm surprised some of the Tory and Reform supporters on here haven't been complaining about the small boats yet. Come on Starmer, sort yourself out  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 17:55:45 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board. Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all. far from it, I think you'll find if you check back the sub board was set up after Sunk took over and it was pretty clear nothing was going to change at number 10 for a couple of years ( exactly what happened ) I got the feeling at the time the labourites were upset about this and took to cancelling blue and amber politics instead ;-) as far as im concerned I dont want it back, and certainly dont want mention of bully boy cotterill on here if anything maybe its time to set up an I Love everything Burton board ;-) Oh the irony, the person who cancels and de-platforms people on a whim complaining about cancel culture. Let's his Wrexham supporting mate get away with murder though. Thinly veiled racism, sexism, homophobia are all ok, but argue with wrong person and that person will hound every post you make to cause a row and trawl through every post you've ever made to make it look like he's the one being victimised and bullied
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 9, 2024 17:59:02 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board. Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all. far from it, I think you'll find if you check back the sub board was set up after Sunk took over and it was pretty clear nothing was going to change at number 10 for a couple of years ( exactly what happened ) I got the feeling at the time the labourites were upset about this and took to cancelling blue and amber politics instead ;-) as far as im concerned I dont want it back, and certainly dont want mention of bully boy cotterill on here if anything maybe its time to set up an I Love everything Burton board ;-) Or maybe what's wanted is a "Roland should sell to the first bunch of Turnips that turn up, with no regard to the future of Shrewsbury Town" thread. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 9, 2024 18:02:30 GMT 1
far from it, I think you'll find if you check back the sub board was set up after Sunk took over and it was pretty clear nothing was going to change at number 10 for a couple of years ( exactly what happened ) I got the feeling at the time the labourites were upset about this and took to cancelling blue and amber politics instead ;-) as far as im concerned I dont want it back, and certainly dont want mention of bully boy cotterill on here if anything maybe its time to set up an I Love everything Burton board ;-) Oh the irony, the person who cancels and de-platforms people on a whim complaining about cancel culture. Let's his Wrexham supporting mate get away with murder though. Thinly veiled racism, sexism, homophobia are all ok, but argue with wrong person and that person will hound every post you make to cause a row and trawl through every post you've ever made to make it look like he's the one being victimised and bullied
Also could you please explain to me how anyone cancelled B&A politics. I fought in vain to prevent the sub board how's that for starters as for your pathetic need to bring a wrexham fan into the debate is just bizarre If you want to get personal lets go for it, I should ask myself how this guy is still allowed on the forum, do you know him. ? OK here are the facts seeing as some people out there like to read only the bits they want to criticize. Yes I am racist, sexist, homophobic, ageist, heightist and disabled people p**s me off. Now I’ve got your attention, I will qualify each of the above. Racist:- I chant sheep sheep sheep sh@ggers when we play Wrexham, I believe that immigration needs tighter controls, I believe my taxes should look after the poor and needy in this country first, I take the **** out of my supervisor at work for being Scottish and yes shock horror I have said naughty words in the past. I do however discourage my children from using such language and encourage them to have friends of differing races. Guilty as charged. Sexist:- I quite often criticise women drivers, but also realise that most male drivers are just as bad. Still guilty. Homophobic:- Just one person tell me that they have never in their whole life called someone a poof or called something gay ( other than the Meadow). Hands up I’m guilty again. Ageist:- Christ there’s nothing worse than being stuck behind an old man driving his P reg. fiesta that he’s had since new at 40 mph on the old A5 when I’m rushing to see Shrewsbury and running late, and as for those old biddies at the Post Office counter don’t even get me started. No-one else out there has ever thought these thoughts except me, so guilty. Heightist:- I must be the only person in the country that still makes or laughs at jokes about short people (I’m 5’9’’ by the way) and I’d never go out with a girl taller than me, so oops guilty again, I’m not having much luck here. Disabled(ist?):- I know people that are genuinely disabled that get less from the state in money or support than people that have ‘depression’ because their badly behaved little boy has ADHD (made up condition in my opinion and I have worked in mental health and quite a large proportion of MH professionals agree). Please Mr DSS man can I claim DLA for my son, DLA for me and carers allowance for hubby so he can stay home to look after me, Oh and by the way can someone pay my rent and council tax as well please. Thank you very much. These are the ‘disabled’ people that **** me off. So on this one I am proud to be GUILTY. An extra note to my dear friend from Broseley, my step father was born and grew up in your little town and he takes the jokes as jokes not as insults, so I think that you need to chill out a bit and see the funny side of life before you grow bitter. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 9, 2024 18:44:02 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board. Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all. I’d be open for 1 “OT Politics” thread on the main board, but the daily threads quoting the Guardian were absolutely tedious As for the Forest Green sub board, I made my view on that clear about a month ago, and you guessed it, I got censored again with my post deleted - joke |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 9, 2024 18:47:58 GMT 1
From what I recall the politics sub-board was set up as a way of trying to silence, or at least hide, the criticism of the Conservative government and to that extent it’s worked, political conversation on this board is greatly reduced and I think it’s to the detriment of the good of the overall board. Also on the subject of sub-boards, isn’t it time to bin off the Cotterill one once and for all. I’d be open for 1 “OT Politics” thread on the main board, but the daily threads quoting the Guardian were absolutely tedious As for the Forest Green sub board, I made my view on that clear about a month ago, and you guessed it, I got censored again with my post deleted - joke re politics , that would probably work ( re FGR maybe speak to the FGR mod, he deleted mine too, I think it was because they were off topic ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 19:04:06 GMT 1
Oh the irony, the person who cancels and de-platforms people on a whim complaining about cancel culture. Let's his Wrexham supporting mate get away with murder though. Thinly veiled racism, sexism, homophobia are all ok, but argue with wrong person and that person will hound every post you make to cause a row and trawl through every post you've ever made to make it look like he's the one being victimised and bullied
Also could you please explain to me how anyone cancelled B&A politics. I fought in vain to prevent the sub board how's that for starters as for your pathetic need to bring a wrexham fan into the debate is just bizarre If you want to get personal lets go for it, I should ask myself how this guy is still allowed on the forum, do you know him. ? OK here are the facts seeing as some people out there like to read only the bits they want to criticize. Yes I am racist, sexist, homophobic, ageist, heightist and disabled people p**s me off. Now I’ve got your attention, I will qualify each of the above. Racist:- I chant sheep sheep sheep sh@ggers when we play Wrexham, I believe that immigration needs tighter controls, I believe my taxes should look after the poor and needy in this country first, I take the **** out of my supervisor at work for being Scottish and yes shock horror I have said naughty words in the past. I do however discourage my children from using such language and encourage them to have friends of differing races. Guilty as charged. Sexist:- I quite often criticise women drivers, but also realise that most male drivers are just as bad. Still guilty. Homophobic:- Just one person tell me that they have never in their whole life called someone a poof or called something gay ( other than the Meadow). Hands up I’m guilty again. Ageist:- Christ there’s nothing worse than being stuck behind an old man driving his P reg. fiesta that he’s had since new at 40 mph on the old A5 when I’m rushing to see Shrewsbury and running late, and as for those old biddies at the Post Office counter don’t even get me started. No-one else out there has ever thought these thoughts except me, so guilty. Heightist:- I must be the only person in the country that still makes or laughs at jokes about short people (I’m 5’9’’ by the way) and I’d never go out with a girl taller than me, so oops guilty again, I’m not having much luck here. Disabled(ist?):- I know people that are genuinely disabled that get less from the state in money or support than people that have ‘depression’ because their badly behaved little boy has ADHD (made up condition in my opinion and I have worked in mental health and quite a large proportion of MH professionals agree). Please Mr DSS man can I claim DLA for my son, DLA for me and carers allowance for hubby so he can stay home to look after me, Oh and by the way can someone pay my rent and council tax as well please. Thank you very much. These are the ‘disabled’ people that **** me off. So on this one I am proud to be GUILTY. An extra note to my dear friend from Broseley, my step father was born and grew up in your little town and he takes the jokes as jokes not as insults, so I think that you need to chill out a bit and see the funny side of life before you grow bitter. I rest my case.
I would have a trawl back through your mates posts, but unfortunately someone deleted the entire thread
You missed the opportunity answer to this one.
Also could you please explain to me how anyone cancelled B&A politics.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 9, 2024 19:12:51 GMT 1
Don't know how this neilsalop vs pilch interchange escalated, but it's damn silly. Get along a bit boys, life's too short to fall out over such a minor thing.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 9, 2024 19:12:56 GMT 1
I fought in vain to prevent the sub board how's that for starters as for your pathetic need to bring a wrexham fan into the debate is just bizarre If you want to get personal lets go for it, I should ask myself how this guy is still allowed on the forum, do you know him. ? I rest my case.
I would have a trawl back through your mates posts, but unfortunately someone deleted the entire thread
You missed the opportunity answer to this one.
Also could you please explain to me how anyone cancelled B&A politics.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 9, 2024 19:14:29 GMT 1
Don't know how this neilsalop vs pilch interchange escalated, but it's damn silly. Get along a bit boys lifes too short to fall out over such a minor thing. I've no idea either, I was kind of just testing to see if it was still possible to have a political debate on here with Neil without him getting personal, I got my answer |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 9, 2024 19:19:53 GMT 1
Don't know how this neilsalop vs pilch interchange escalated, but it's damn silly. Get along a bit boys lifes too short to fall out over such a minor thing. I was kind of just testing to see if it was still possible to have a political debate on here with Neil without him getting personal, I got my answer For both of you, it's one of the guys in the thread title who's known for being the petulant one. Ones enough. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 10, 2024 6:58:18 GMT 1
As someone who had constantly expressed support for a separate board; some of us had been calling for it for years now and I personally thought the need was increased somewhat with the Brexit debate. At some point the board seemed to be taken up more by politics than Town and football and the discussions started to get a little more heated and personal. I started to wonder what any Town fan who turned up here to discuss the club would have thought on arrival. Town and football seemed to be taking a backseat (at times at least).
To say that the board was created to hide criticism of the Tories doesn't make sense considering having a separate board has been a topic of discussion for some time now and folk, including myself, have had more than plenty to say on the state of the Labour party (throughout the Corbyn years, for example).
I'm happy to go with the flow of course, whatever the majority prefer. And perhaps things have settled down a bit now that Brexit isn't so much a topic of discussion. But then who knows what the future brings.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 7:08:23 GMT 1
Anyone who thinks Trump winning in November would be a good outcome needs to look at Project 2025, see the people behind it and watch this.
I don't care whether or not anyone believes in any god, but the Christian Nationalists trying to take over the most powerful nation on earth is concerning to say the least. Freedom of Religion was one of the premises that built America, but these people are trying to turn America into a Christian caliphate and if Trump wins they will succeed.
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Post by rickyspanish on Jul 10, 2024 8:07:47 GMT 1
Yeah Biden tweeted yesterday "Google Project 2025".
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 10, 2024 8:33:51 GMT 1
Yeah, I saw that from Biden. However, as is clear from the replies to that tweet; Trump has stated he has nothing to do with Project 2025, Trump has distanced himself from Project 2025 and has even mocked some of its content. Trump's agenda seems to be laid out in Agenda47 which is posted and available on his official website. So what to believe.
I mean we know that each side is going to throw everything and anything it can to discredit the other. Each side no worse than the other. I still have regular interactions with people who still believe that "Trump called Neo-Nazis very fine people", for example. He didn't but people are very easily misled, easily duped, willing to believe anything that fits their narrative. And so we might well have another example of that here. We know how this works by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 9:35:54 GMT 1
Yeah, I saw that from Biden. However, as is clear from the replies to that tweet; Trump is not mentioned in Project 2025, Trump has stated he has nothing to do with Project 2025, Trump has distanced himself from Project 2025 and has even mocked some of its content. Trump's agenda seems to be laid out in Agenda47 which is posted and available on his official website. So what to believe. I mean we know that each side is going to throw everything and anything it can to discredit the other. Each side no worse than the other. I still have regular interactions with people who still believe that "Trump called Neo-Nazis very fine people", for example. He didn't but people are very easily misled, easily duped, willing to believe anything that fits their narrative. And so we might well have another example of that here. We know how this works by now. Do you honestly believe that Trump will have anything to say about the aims of P2025 in the run up to the election? He's many things, but idiot isn't one of them. He can try to distance himself from it, but the fact is that many of his former staffers were involved in the project, many of his financial backers are backing it and his appointees to the Supreme Court have given him and his team the go ahead to implement it. Also there are quite a few overlaps between P2025 and Agenda47. |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 10, 2024 9:48:35 GMT 1
I prefer it to be separate to be honest. Couldn't agree more |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 10, 2024 12:04:00 GMT 1
Trump, this is what convinced me he is low life: 'Donald J. Trump has already built a wall — not on the border with Mexico, but on the border of his exclusive golf course in northeastern Scotland, blocking the sea view of local residents who refused to sell their homes. And then he sent them the bill. David and Moira Milne had already been threatened with legal action by Mr. Trump’s lawyers, who claimed that a corner of their garage belonged to him, when they came home from work one day to find his staff building a fence around their garden. Two rows of grown trees went up next, blocking the view. Their water and electricity lines were temporarily cut. And then a bill for about $3,500 arrived in the mail, which, Mr. Milne said, went straight into the trash.' www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/donald-trump-scotland-wall.html |
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Post by venceremos on Jul 10, 2024 13:20:54 GMT 1
It's curious how the media are going so hard on Biden's mental capacity while ignoring the question of Trump's cognitive faculties.
The Trump rally in Florida this week provided further evidence - he can't formulate words sometimes, reads the autocue prompts as well as the text and, as usual, goes off on absurd, rambling tangents.
If voters are concerned by what they see of Biden, they (and the media) need to take a much closer look at Trump's condition before voting for him instead. And the age difference is negligible; Trump will be older than Biden is now at the end of the next presidency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 18:48:42 GMT 1
It's worth noting that Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is a major player in the Heritage Foundation and has a very long history of Christian Nationalism. She sent emails to Republican lawmakers in at least 3 states trying to get them to overturn the Biden win in 2020 and actively promoted the Stop the Steal demonstration on January 6th. She is also a leading light in the Council for National Policy whose ultimate goal is to establish a Christian autocracy in the US.
Her husband is fighting off allegations of accepting bribes and unregistered gifts since being raised to the Supreme Court.
Every time I look deeper into this cabal I get more concerned for people of the USA.
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Post by Dancin on Jul 12, 2024 7:46:10 GMT 1
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 12, 2024 8:02:05 GMT 1
Absolutely can't see him staying as presidential candidate, getting through another 4 months of this.
But the way their system is set up, it's going to be a huge ask for someone to come in as new candidate and to be able to meet the needs of all non-trump voters. Doesn't seem like many viable obvious options, given the challenge ahead and so far lack of acceptance from Bidens side that he can't continue.
Another fine mess that looks to somehow elect such an utterly detestable character in the most powerful country in the world
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 12, 2024 9:12:12 GMT 1
Have to remember this is at a NATO rally too, so goes beyond US politics. Gaffes happen of course but when its a common occurrence and we see that Biden is struggling they are not so easily dismissed.
What Moscow, Beijing, Tehran and one or two others bedsides must be thinking is anyone's guess. Lets just hope there was a lot of good work behind the scenes. Because on the face of it we have Biden struggling to allay fears about his health, Marcon appears to be a lame duck who has just made Mélenchon's France Unbowed led coalition the largest group in the French parliament (Mélenchon has called for France to withdraw from NATO), we have Scholtz here in Germany whose SPD is polling behind the AFD nevermind well behind the CDU and we have Starmer who is a week into the job.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 12, 2024 9:24:18 GMT 1
An embarrassing shambles
He needs removing, for his own sake as much as the worlds
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 12, 2024 9:30:28 GMT 1
I have no idea how this is going to turn out. Its worrying. I am so glad I am not my grandchildren age. What a shambles we have left them
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