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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 8, 2024 14:29:00 GMT 1
What sort of numbers are we expecting to see incoming and what's needed?
Under contract it currently stands:
Defenders:
Feeney
Nsiala
Sraha
Nurse
Benning
Midfielders:
Winchester
Perry
Idowu
Shipley
Forwards:
Bloxham
Lloyd
Out on loan
Mata
Awaiting contracts Udoh and Pierre (Marosi assumed not to sign)
So I guess the sort of recruitment we might be looking at:
2 x GK
3 x defenders - definitely 1 x RB, 1 x CB and at least one other to cover those positions too
2 x CM
2 X attacking midfielders/forwards
2 x strikers
So 11 or so needed. Expect town to use loan market for 5 of those, so signings for the rest. And probably expect at least 2-3 to come at the end of the window, when it becomes clearer what is still needed and certain players become more available
We have 11 on the books, those numbers would make it 22, which is the same as was registered last season in September and January.
Would expect Idowu to depart so that would make it 21, which possibly is more likely to have slightly smaller squad budget wise. But, anyone else departing (eg Perry) would then probably also need replacing
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 8, 2024 17:39:23 GMT 1
Feeney/ Winchester can cover RB, Nurse can Cover at LB. If Pierre signs I only expect 1 more right sided defender come in.
I assume Hurst will be happy with 3 forwards if he is going to go with 1 up top. Bloxham could also go up top if needed.
I can't see us really improving on the quality we have got in midfield unless we can get some decent loans in.
I am also assuming we are going to have a younger keeper as back up to a loan keeper.
Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Jun 8, 2024 17:54:17 GMT 1
Feeney/ Winchester can cover RB, Nurse can Cover at LB. If Pierre signs I only expect 1 more right sided defender come in. I assume Hurst will be happy with 3 forwards if he is going to go with 1 up top. Bloxham could also go up top if needed. I can't see us really improving on the quality we have got in midfield unless we can get some decent loans in. I am also assuming we are going to have a younger keeper as back up to a loan keeper. Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride. I'm not convinced by gambling on Winchester and Feeney as your back up right backs. Whilst we might find gems in the loan market, we aren't going to be permanently signing a midfielder with Winchester's pedigree. You need him in that role. And Feeney, whilst I thought he did a job there at the end of last season, is not mobile enough for it. It also makes us a far weaker attacking side, because all our attacks come down the left from then on. We need two proper right backs in my opinion: maybe one who has played at this level before (given Hurst likes signing players he has worked with before, Josh Emmanuel), and maybe a punt from lower down the leagues who will be cheaper. Assuming we play with 3 central midfielders, I'd expect Winchester to be one, with two loanees being the other two first choices. A defensive midfielder, and one who is more attacking. May sign a permanent centre midfield as well to give us 5. Goalkeepers: the first choice will be a loan, the second definitely a cheaper option (either younger or a Steve Arnold type). I agree with it being three centre forwards. Assuming Udoh doesn't sign, we'll probably look to loan in a first choice, and sign another permanent option to go alongside Lloyd. Will need wide forwards/wingers too. If a decent bid comes in for Shipley, I suspect we will take it in order to fund depth there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 17:54:49 GMT 1
And no first year professionals this season, well, not at the moment it seems.
All very quiet indeed on the academy front.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Jun 8, 2024 17:59:13 GMT 1
And no first year professionals this season, well, not at the moment it seems. All very quiet indeed on the academy front. Yeah, last year the following academy players had first team involvement: Harvey Watts Isaac Godwin Cammron Morris Jude Collins Jack Loughran Simba Nyamwanza Frankie Beckles never made the bench (even in the games where we didn't have a second keeper due to injury), but was often around in the warm up. I don't know if any of those are at the age where they're offered first year deals or released yet |
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 8, 2024 18:27:51 GMT 1
Feeney/ Winchester can cover RB, Nurse can Cover at LB. If Pierre signs I only expect 1 more right sided defender come in. I assume Hurst will be happy with 3 forwards if he is going to go with 1 up top. Bloxham could also go up top if needed. I can't see us really improving on the quality we have got in midfield unless we can get some decent loans in. I am also assuming we are going to have a younger keeper as back up to a loan keeper. Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride. I'm not convinced by gambling on Winchester and Feeney as your back up right backs. Whilst we might find gems in the loan market, we aren't going to be permanently signing a midfielder with Winchester's pedigree. You need him in that role. And Feeney, whilst I thought he did a job there at the end of last season, is not mobile enough for it. It also makes us a far weaker attacking side, because all our attacks come down the left from then on. We need two proper right backs in my opinion: maybe one who has played at this level before (given Hurst likes signing players he has worked with before, Josh Emmanuel), and maybe a punt from lower down the leagues who will be cheaper. Assuming we play with 3 central midfielders, I'd expect Winchester to be one, with two loanees being the other two first choices. A defensive midfielder, and one who is more attacking. May sign a permanent centre midfield as well to give us 5. Goalkeepers: the first choice will be a loan, the second definitely a cheaper option (either younger or a Steve Arnold type). I agree with it being three centre forwards. Assuming Udoh doesn't sign, we'll probably look to loan in a first choice, and sign another permanent option to go alongside Lloyd. Will need wide forwards/wingers too. If a decent bid comes in for Shipley, I suspect we will take it in order to fund depth there. I was thinking of the bare minimum, I'd love 2 rb's but I think it is a luxury the budget wont allow. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 8, 2024 20:27:23 GMT 1
It's a massive overhaul lets be honest. My mum is an Oldham fan and their non-league retained list looks huge compared to ours...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 22:16:49 GMT 1
For me I think we'll see
2 Goalkeepers (easy one) - Marosi isn't coming back.
2 more defenders, a specialist right back and Pierre if he signs, if not then a replacement - would like to a versatile right back/centre back.
Interesting will Pierre and Nurse even be fit for the start of the season.
2 or 3 Central Midfielders - I expect Winchester to start and Shipley to be moved inwards to allow for proper wingers to be used, interesting to see what will happen with Perry and Idowu before the start of the season.
2 to 3 (Proper Wingers) - None of which exists at the club at the moment, worryingly along with GKs - Though Lloyd and Bloxham may be considered part of this position.
3 Forwards, Udoh could be one of them, again Bloxham and Lloyd could also.
I make that around 9ish new signings if Pierre and Udoh stay maybe 11 if they don't.
Might try and predict what the formation / line up would be for next seasons first game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 22:19:04 GMT 1
I suspect Hurst will go with 4-4-2 still
with
New GK
New RB Feeney Toto Benning
New CM Winchester Shipley
Possibly Bloxham/Lloyd New Winger
Udoh (Or Replacement)
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 9, 2024 9:09:13 GMT 1
I suspect Hurst will go with 4-4-2 still with New GK New RB Feeney Toto Benning New CM Winchester Shipley Possibly Bloxham/Lloyd New Winger Udoh (Or Replacement) A midfield 3 of Winchester, Shipley and a decent loan actually sounds promising. I really hope Bloxham finally establishes himself this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 13:06:31 GMT 1
Shipley is too slow and slightly wasted out wide, bring him in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 13:17:10 GMT 1
Target man upfront, is that a role that Tom could play?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 9, 2024 16:19:41 GMT 1
Target man upfront, is that a role that Tom could play? Other than his height not sure he actually has any of the attributes to play that role |
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Jun 9, 2024 18:33:22 GMT 1
Target man upfront, is that a role that Tom could play? No, he’s very much a winger. Despite his frame he’s poor in the air & wasn’t effective when played up top in about 10+ games previously. Toms best position is RW |
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 9, 2024 18:56:01 GMT 1
Looking forward to the new season and watching a town team who are fit, committed and want to play for the Manager. Not sure any of these qualities were on show last season.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 9, 2024 20:56:02 GMT 1
Yep..... they'll be fit alright......hope the new players know about doigy!!!👍🫣🫣😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 9:22:06 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see what happens with Shipley. I'm guessing he's on a good wage and the ambition/targets he was probably sold by Cotterill have long gone, factor in the fact the other ex Cov players will have gone, will he still want to be here? He's probably our only saleable asset
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 9:25:24 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see what happens with Shipley. I'm guessing he's on a good wage and the ambition/targets he was probably sold by Cotterill have long gone, factor in the fact the other ex Cov players will have gone, will he still want to be here? He's probably our only saleable asset Our captain for next season. |
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 10, 2024 9:52:49 GMT 1
Wasn't at his best last season but still was second highest scorer and had twice as many assists as anyone else. If Hurst can find the right role for him he could be absolutely vital.
But he is probably now comfortably the biggest wage earner with Bayliss, Dunkley, Marosi and O'Brien all leaving, so I'm sure if they can get an offer for him (even quite a low one) they would seriously consider it.
If he and Udoh did leave though, it would leave players who only scored 5 league goals from last season (2 Perry, 2 Bloxham and 1 Sraha). That is slightly terrifying to need to find 40+ goals from entirely new players
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Post by townfaninnantwich on Jun 11, 2024 16:08:21 GMT 1
So only Udoh to decide now taking it no one is sold.I make that 11 players now with the players who have agreed new deals. So id guess 5 loans and 5 or 6 more free agents to join before Aug. (Hopfully Price will work for and get a contract)
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 11, 2024 16:16:31 GMT 1
Yep,5 loans.....I reckon 2 midfielders and 2 forwards,and a defender 👍👍
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Post by bizzylad on Jun 11, 2024 16:19:51 GMT 1
Sraha soon to go maybe and cant see Idowu being here beyond August either , so still plenty to come in .
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Post by salop18 on Jun 11, 2024 16:23:09 GMT 1
Up to a squad of 13 now.
Easily still need 8 or 9 more, also looks like we could be losing Sraha and Idowu so they’ll need to be replaced too. Perry could be another that leaves by September yet.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Jun 11, 2024 16:37:32 GMT 1
Up to a squad of 13 now. Easily still need 8 or 9 more, also looks like we could be losing Sraha and Idowu so they’ll need to be replaced too. Perry could be another that leaves by September yet. I'd be amazed if Idowu was here. He's shown nothing, but I'd be amazed if he wages weren't national league level so he may be able to get a loan. Think Taylor Perry is harder to call. I don't think there's a market for him either on loan or as a permanent signing, certainly covering enough of his wages. I suspect the cost-benefit analysis for Perry will keep him here, because he offers more value off the bench and in the EFL Trophy than he would out on loan |
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 19, 2024 17:21:55 GMT 1
Goalkeepers:
Savin
Defenders:
Hoole
Feeney
Nsiala
Pierre
Nurse
Benning
Central midfielders:
Winchester
Perry
Biggins
Attacking midfielders/wide players:
Shipley
Bloxham
O'Reilly (loan)
Forwards:
Lloyd
Marquis
Out on loan
Mata
Idowu
Squad of 15 now. I reckon they will more or less see 1 player added to every position left as above, so squad of 20. But possibly depends how versatile they are expecting players to be, and also add in factor that nobody from youth team looks anywhere near the first team.
Only 1 loan made so far so expect most of them to be loans. Squad definitely taking shape
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Post by gtismygod on Jul 19, 2024 17:37:39 GMT 1
We need a couple more wingers surely. Can’t go into the season with just Bloxham and Shipley. Wouldn’t like to see Bloxham used from the bench to be honest, no way should he be starting.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Jul 19, 2024 20:18:48 GMT 1
We need a couple more wingers surely. Can’t go into the season with just Bloxham and Shipley. Wouldn’t like to see Bloxham used from the bench to be honest, no way should he be starting. Agree, although I wouldn't be surprised if we bring in just one on loan. Lloyd, O'Reilly and Perry at a push could play there in case of injury. Wouldn't be surprised if we see the following recruited: - Second keeper (loan if first choice, permanent if not) - second right back - a central midfielder to partner Winchester (most likely a loanee) - a Winger - a striker If we have space/budget, I think you could also potentially see: - another centre back (left sided, effectively replacing Sraha) - another central midfielder to add depth |
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Post by dibblydobbly on Jul 19, 2024 22:28:43 GMT 1
We need a couple more wingers surely. Can’t go into the season with just Bloxham and Shipley. Wouldn’t like to see Bloxham used from the bench to be honest, no way should he be starting. Apologies but your post says would not like to see Bloxham used from the bench and no way should he be starting, are you saying he is not good enough to be on the pitch in any capacity, or have I misunderstood? |
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Post by shrewswolf on Jul 19, 2024 22:56:20 GMT 1
RE the last couple of posts about Bloxham. Is it just me that thinks he’s actually pretty good? Yes of course he has games where he’s not so wonderful but in a team that was absolutely hopeless once they got past the half way line, he was about our biggest threat when ‘on it’.
I think he’s got a good future here and then elsewhere at a higher level, but many others seem to think he’s not up to League One. That’s football I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2024 0:01:36 GMT 1
Wonder if the bigger fish are going to become available now in the close season with the Marquis signing today.
Would like a squad of around 22 but that might be achieved with the full quote of 5 loan signings, there could only be 2-3 more permanent ones,
The other goalkeeper will be an interesting one,
Who will Hurst put out wide, still Shipley, Bloxham or Lloyd.
Will it be Biggins who partners Winchester in midfield or Perry. Will O'Reilly be the first choice no.10
Is Hoole the first choice right back, and what will be the preferred back four pairings.
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