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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 12:44:48 GMT 1
No ones complaining about topping the group. What Pilch and Southgate can’t seem to understand is that with supposedly some of the best players in Europe, we look totally lost, and they’re boring the pants off everyone. Including the loss to Iceland just before the tournament, we’ve scored 2 goals and just one win against 4 mediocre teams. remember saying this the other day ? thats France, 2 goals, 1 an own goal , the other a penalty, and the dutch , a late win v Poland, a 0-0 and a defeat shots on target so far Holland 10 England 11 France 14 Watching France v Dutch, so refreshing to see two reams who want to go forward. Southgate. should try it.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 26, 2024 12:49:36 GMT 1
Maybe it's just me but it shouldn't be too difficult to recognise Southgate has done a decent job considering the mess he inherited & has done better than most of his predecessors in tournaments BUT also pointing out that the performances the Euro's have been disappointing. Yes we've gone through but considering last night was supposed to be a reset and letting the players play with more freedom, it doesn't bode well.
The players and management have been saying themselves that the performances haven't been great and they know they need to improve so why us fans saying that is considered moaning by some seems strange to me.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 26, 2024 12:59:24 GMT 1
Hard to judge things when you are deathly boring, but not in any game where your ability to win the tournament is on the line. Portugal in 2016 were exactly the same as England have been so far. Job done, and on to the real stuff. You're right, impressing at the group stage doesn't win tournaments. Only thing is I'm so bored watching England I'm rapidly losing interest in whether we stay in or get knocked out. At the moment Southgate seems unable to build an effective team with these players. Maybe the players are overrated (wouldn't be unusual for England) or maybe picking your supposedly best players isn't the best way to make a good team. In 2 years, Rangnick, with far fewer resources, has built an Austrian team (squad really, because he's used a lot of players) that's both effective and entertaining and deservedly topped a group containing stronger teams than any in England's group. What a contrast.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 26, 2024 13:23:36 GMT 1
At around 85mins against Slovenia...the poor commentator tried to soften the blow saying that slovenia are a good side etc. Hmmm...I cant think of a single Slovenian player now or throughout history 🤷♂️ England should be thrashing them, and on paper they should be too.
The players just don't appear to want to fight for one another. A team of individuals.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 14:06:25 GMT 1
At around 85mins against Slovenia...the poor commentator tried to soften the blow saying that slovenia are a good side etc. Hmmm...I cant think of a single Slovenian player now or throughout history 🤷♂️ England should be thrashing them, and on paper they should be too. The players just don't appear to want to fight for one another. A team of individuals. How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Jun 26, 2024 14:33:44 GMT 1
Too many underperforming undropables and too many square pegs in round holes! The only pros I’ve seen from the starters have been Guehi, Stones, Walker and Saka and Bellingham for the first 30 minutes against Serbia, the rest have been shocking! Rice, TAA, Pickford Gallagher have been average at best and Foden, Trippier and especially Kane have been terrible. We only come to life when the likes of Mainoo, Gordon or Palmer come on, and only because they have a point to prove.
I really do hope we kick on in the knockout stages but I can’t see it happening. We are relying too much on players who have played 40 plus games and, therefore, look completely knackered!
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 26, 2024 15:10:19 GMT 1
No ones complaining about topping the group. What Pilch and Southgate can’t seem to understand is that with supposedly some of the best players in Europe, we look totally lost, and they’re boring the pants off everyone. Including the loss to Iceland just before the tournament, we’ve scored 2 goals and just one win against 4 mediocre teams. remember saying this the other day ? thats France, 2 goals, 1 an own goal , the other a penalty, and the dutch , a late win v Poland, a 0-0 and a defeat shots on target so far Holland 10 England 11 France 14 Watching France v Dutch, so refreshing to see two reams who want to go forward. Southgate. should try it. Question is have England played well?
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 26, 2024 15:22:11 GMT 1
At around 85mins against Slovenia...the poor commentator tried to soften the blow saying that slovenia are a good side etc. Hmmm...I cant think of a single Slovenian player now or throughout history 🤷♂️ England should be thrashing them, and on paper they should be too. The players just don't appear to want to fight for one another. A team of individuals. How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him Not heard of him. He would fit right in with Man Utds squad of total unknowns then!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 15:49:20 GMT 1
How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him Not heard of him. He would fit right in with Man Utds squad of total unknowns then! clearly not, he's played for Atletico Madrid for 10 years, helping them win the title about 4 seasons ago
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Post by venceremos on Jun 26, 2024 16:00:02 GMT 1
At around 85mins against Slovenia...the poor commentator tried to soften the blow saying that slovenia are a good side etc. Hmmm...I cant think of a single Slovenian player now or throughout history 🤷♂️ England should be thrashing them, and on paper they should be too. The players just don't appear to want to fight for one another. A team of individuals. How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him Oblak - top keeper (although I'm happy for United to continue with Onana, so no killing necessary, and anyway I prefer Mamadashvili of Georgia). Also Sesko, who lots of top PL clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, United) were interested in till he signed a new contract at Leipzig. Slovenia aren't nobodies, but they are ranked 57th (behind Iraq, Jamaica, Qatar and Panama, for example) compared to England's 3rd. In English club terms it's equivalent to Liverpool drawing with Exeter City.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 26, 2024 16:06:19 GMT 1
How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him Oblak - top keeper (although I'm happy for United to continue with Onana, so no killing necessary, and anyway I prefer Mamadashvili of Georgia). Also Sesko, who lots of top PL clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, United) were interested in till he signed a new contract at Leipzig. Slovenia aren't nobodies, but they are ranked 57th (behind Iraq, Jamaica, Qatar and Panama, for example) compared to England's 3rd. In English club terms it's equivalent to Liverpool drawing with Exeter City. Worth adding to that Denmark are 21st and Serbia 32nd, it was such a low quality group as also evidenced by the games not involving England being equally dross. Hoping that we were simply dragged down to their level and that we’ll raise our game when required, but can’t say I’m feeling at all optimistic.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2024 16:13:17 GMT 1
How about the keeper , one of the best in the world , someone like Man U would kill for him Slovenia aren't nobodies, but they are ranked 57th (behind Iraq, Jamaica, Qatar and Panama, for example) compared to England's 3rd. In English club terms it's equivalent to Liverpool drawing with Exeter City. thats probably why unlike England they didn't win their group, or even win a game and are currently sweating on a lucky 3rd place slot and thats with them over performing whilst England nowhere near their best thats football for you
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Post by vladimir on Jun 26, 2024 16:16:12 GMT 1
The team lacks balance and once again Southgate has managed to go into another major tournament throwing together a system and personnel at the last minute.
I don't think he's ever been confident in the teams he puts out and that's evidenced in the very controlled, slow tempo way they play.
Safety first with this calibre of players does get results in qualifiers and group fixtures and also gets us a fair few knock out results. But as per previous tourneys weve fallen short against high calibre in-form opposition.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 26, 2024 19:21:21 GMT 1
All teams in Group E end up with four points! Ukraine are bottom on goal difference and exit the tournament despite having more points than Slovenia who have gone through on 3. I knew it was completely daft having a 24 team tournament.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 26, 2024 19:29:55 GMT 1
Slovenia aren't nobodies, but they are ranked 57th (behind Iraq, Jamaica, Qatar and Panama, for example) compared to England's 3rd. In English club terms it's equivalent to Liverpool drawing with Exeter City. thats probably why unlike England they didn't win their group, or even win a game and are currently sweating on a lucky 3rd place slot and thats with them over performing whilst England nowhere near their best thats football for you Slovenia went through last night as they have one more point than Croatia and a better goal difference than Hungary. They were obviously playing for a point against England which certainly did not help the match as a spectacle.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 26, 2024 19:31:05 GMT 1
All teams in Group E end up with four points! Ukraine are bottom on goal difference and exit the tournament despite having more points than Slovenia and Hungary who have gone through on 3. I knew it was completely daft having a 24 team tournament. Having said that, as four third place teams will progress, it has avoided many meaningless games in the last round, as more teams have had a chance to get a third place. Not saying I agree with 24 tam competition though. Doesnt Wenger want 32 teams in World Cup?
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 26, 2024 19:36:02 GMT 1
All teams in Group E end up with four points! Ukraine are bottom on goal difference and exit the tournament despite having more points than Slovenia and Hungary who have gone through on 3. I knew it was completely daft having a 24 team tournament. Having said that, as four third place teams will progress, it has avoided many meaningless games in the last round, as more teams have had a chance to get a third place. Not saying I agree with 24 tam competition though. Doesnt Wenger want 32 teams in World Cup? Fair point but the 24 team tournament for me just makes it a bit more of a lottery depending on which group you are in. 32 teams sounds a lot but at least it is a power of 2 and I suppose they will have eight groups of four teams.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jun 26, 2024 20:37:18 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how as it stands England would play Netherlands, I work out it would be 3rd place in group F being played now and Romania winners of E would play Netherlands 3rd in D as per the knockout rounds displayed on all the websites.
The BBC think it’s likely to be Netherlands
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 26, 2024 21:04:32 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how as it stands England would play Netherlands, I work out it would be 3rd place in group F being played now and Romania winners of E would play Netherlands 3rd in D as per the knockout rounds displayed on all the websites. The BBC think it’s likely to be Netherlands ITV have just said as things stand we play Slovakia
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jun 26, 2024 21:27:46 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how as it stands England would play Netherlands, I work out it would be 3rd place in group F being played now and Romania winners of E would play Netherlands 3rd in D as per the knockout rounds displayed on all the websites. The BBC think it’s likely to be Netherlands ITV have just said as things stand we play Slovakia Ok but how does that work ?
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Post by vladimir on Jun 26, 2024 21:28:21 GMT 1
It'll be Slovakia unless Portugal pull 2 goals back now.
Also what a player Kvaratskhelia is. Glorious.
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Post by vladimir on Jun 26, 2024 21:29:58 GMT 1
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Post by vladimir on Jun 26, 2024 21:38:13 GMT 1
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jun 26, 2024 21:48:25 GMT 1
That is because unfancied teams have outperformed the heavy weights. Who saw Georgia performance v Portugal, or Austria winning their group, or Switzerland finishing 2nd with a draw v Germany or Italy And Netherlands being so poor.
Maybe just maybe uninspiring England have not done so badly?
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 26, 2024 22:07:48 GMT 1
Well done Georgia, another fit and organised team like Austria,which will always beat a team of individuals.worked there socks off,and deserved it...looking forward to to Hurst knocking our team into shape now😃😃
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Post by MetaShrew on Jun 26, 2024 23:37:47 GMT 1
Having said that, as four third place teams will progress, it has avoided many meaningless games in the last round, as more teams have had a chance to get a third place. Not saying I agree with 24 tam competition though. Doesnt Wenger want 32 teams in World Cup? Fair point but the 24 team tournament for me just makes it a bit more of a lottery depending on which group you are in. 32 teams sounds a lot but at least it is a power of 2 and I suppose they will have eight groups of four teams. Brace yourselves... it has been confirmed that the 2026 World Cup will have 48 teams, as will every World Cup thereafter! It will effectively be a double Euros, with 12 groups of 4 teams, and 32 teams progressing to the knockout rounds (the top 2 of each group and the 8 best third-placed teams).
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 26, 2024 23:57:50 GMT 1
Fair point but the 24 team tournament for me just makes it a bit more of a lottery depending on which group you are in. 32 teams sounds a lot but at least it is a power of 2 and I suppose they will have eight groups of four teams. Brace yourselves... it has been confirmed that the 2026 World Cup will have 48 teams, as will every World Cup thereafter! It will effectively be a double Euros, with 12 groups of 4 teams, and 32 teams progressing to the knockout rounds (the top 2 of each group and the 8 best third-placed teams). May as just as well abolish qualifiers. Get every country that enters to turn up and play hundreds of games till we get to a meaningful competition. Just think how much could be made out of the TV companies selling our soul totally. Just think even Wales might get there then.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 27, 2024 7:02:10 GMT 1
Fair point but the 24 team tournament for me just makes it a bit more of a lottery depending on which group you are in. 32 teams sounds a lot but at least it is a power of 2 and I suppose they will have eight groups of four teams. Brace yourselves... it has been confirmed that the 2026 World Cup will have 48 teams, as will every World Cup thereafter! It will effectively be a double Euros, with 12 groups of 4 teams, and 32 teams progressing to the knockout rounds (the top 2 of each group and the 8 best third-placed teams). If this is the case have the powers that be given any thought to player welfare with the finalists having to play eight matches - more than a fifth of a Premier league season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 27, 2024 7:21:51 GMT 1
If it wasn't for Deutsche Bahn pushing up the price for my return trip once I'd finally manage to arrange a ticket for the game I'd have gone to the game at Köln. I was a tad miffed at the time. It was another poor performance for sure, slow and lethargic once again but even so, the important bit was topping the group and avoiding Germany in the last sixteen (phew!!). And hats off to Georgia, they were superb against Portugal and with that win I think they have done us a huge favour in that we now meet Slovakia. Not saying its an easy game and that we will win but I think that gives us a better chance of getting through compared to going up against the Dutch, say. My two eldest took in the Ukraine Belgium game yesterday, no goals but they enjoyed the occasion. Was a shame that we didn't manage to catch some of the pre-match atmosphere but the weather is all over the place here and we had yet another downpour in the afternoon. But just glad they got to a game and have been a apart of it. And echo the thoughts of one or two above, Austria have been impressive.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 27, 2024 9:17:06 GMT 1
It's been an enjoyable tournament so far, most games have been fairly entertaining, there's been very few dead rubbers and it's nice to see some of the less fancied sides doing well.
I've been surprised to see quite a few comments about off the field about issues with transport and getting to/from the ground, I've seen a lot of comments saying people prefer the atmosphere/experience in Germany a lot more than in Qatar but the organisation here is a lot poorer. And I was chatting to a friend who has just come back from Munich, he said whilst he had a good few days it felt like they were trying to force people into fan zones, he wanted to sample the local bars & cafes but they weren't overly welcoming to football fans which seems bizarre to me.
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