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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 19, 2024 6:42:41 GMT 1
Looking to the example of Colchester, what would Colchester and there fans have thought about a replay? Whilst town fans might not have been keen on a midweek trip to Essex what about Colchester? What would Town and our fans have said if we were the away side for the first game (which of course we have been on many occasions)? I mean someone mentions replays becoming a loss making exercise, are they? Whilst I am sure managers and players would rather avoid any additional games what about the clubs, what about the owners? How many do you need through the turnstiles before you turn in some sort of profit? I was always under the impression that more games meant more money for clubs. Whether that's against Derby or Doncaster. Isn't this taking away potential earnings from lower league clubs? And if so, no wonder we are seeing the reaction we are from the likes of Exeter, Tranmere and one or two others. Do we lose money on some games? Do we lose money when it comes to FA Cup replays (whether 1st or 3rd round games)? And just to add, that there was no consultation with League and non-league clubs is a rum do and then some.
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Post by WATR on Apr 19, 2024 7:31:47 GMT 1
The introduction of B Teams into the EFL Trophy is the most widely reviled thing to happen to the lower leagues, with widespread promises of boycotts throughout every fanbase. Fast forward to today and any notion of boycotting the EFL Trophy had been almost unanimously abandoned and the zeitgeist has even gone the other way, with fans taking pride when their team has a large attendance in the competition. The lesson to the authorities couldn’t be more clear - do what you want because lower league fans are incapable of challenging it in any meaningful way.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Apr 19, 2024 7:43:02 GMT 1
From this week's Premier league teams performances do they need to worry about their European competition as much next season. They aye well have time on their hands
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 19, 2024 7:47:23 GMT 1
The introduction of B Teams into the EFL Trophy is the most widely reviled thing to happen to the lower leagues, with widespread promises of boycotts throughout every fanbase. Fast forward to today and any notion of boycotting the EFL Trophy had been almost unanimously abandoned and the zeitgeist has even gone the other way, with fans taking pride when their team has a large attendance in the competition. The lesson to the authorities couldn’t be more clear - do what you want because lower league fans are incapable of challenging it in any meaningful way. Absolutely agree and it’s what I inferred to on the previous page There was like 80,000 for the Wembley final the other year… imagine if that was played in front of a fully boycotted stadium. And every game of the tournament was the same. Sadly some people have no morals, principals or will power and that has emboldened the powers that be to further ruin our game
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 8:32:55 GMT 1
Not for the first time I’ve attended every single league, FA Cup & Carabao Cup match. I couldn’t give a s**t about European football on the tele. What’s your record like Mr Patronising? Get lost. I only asked You placed a bet 😂
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 8:38:16 GMT 1
Not for the first time I’ve attended every single league, FA Cup & Carabao Cup match. I couldn’t give a s**t about European football on the tele. What’s your record like Mr Patronising? Get lost. It’s a smoke screen to be a turncoat and advocate the B-Team trophy, that some of us warned was a slippery slope Today has vindicated our boycott, those who have supported it are complicent Not really. The premier League and FA have done just what they like and gone ahead with changes that suit them. They haven’t even consulted EFL sides, the only way to stand up is to get the EFL to represent their 72 clubs and say it’s not for us but they’ve got no appetite to challenge them.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 19, 2024 9:00:29 GMT 1
The introduction of B Teams into the EFL Trophy is the most widely reviled thing to happen to the lower leagues, with widespread promises of boycotts throughout every fanbase. Fast forward to today and any notion of boycotting the EFL Trophy had been almost unanimously abandoned and the zeitgeist has even gone the other way, with fans taking pride when their team has a large attendance in the competition. The lesson to the authorities couldn’t be more clear - do what you want because lower league fans are incapable of challenging it in any meaningful way. But looking to the attendances aren't most fans giving it a swerve anyhow? I mean as you get closer to the final I appreciate support may increase but I don't think its by an awful lot. The time when most make an appearance is at the final and I doubt many of those in attendance will be regulars (I suspect many have no idea second teams are involved and wouldn't care less anyhow). But on the question of 2nd teams, what do you do? Granted its part and parcel of the game over here anyhow but in the Regionalliga Südwest we have four second teams and three of them currently make up the top five. The Kickers are currently top but we are in a tight race with Hoffenheim II for promotion that can go either way. It does my head in that three of those teams make up the top five, it does my head in that we might lose out on promotion to a second team who play in front of no one every other week, it does my head in how these teams disrupt the integrity of the league season after season, it does my head in that these teams take up space that should be taken by clubs, it does my head in that these teams gain promotion instead of other clubs...but I still want to watch my team and more so when we have a chance of promotion. Its a tricky one.
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 19, 2024 9:03:53 GMT 1
It’s a smoke screen to be a turncoat and advocate the B-Team trophy, that some of us warned was a slippery slope Today has vindicated our boycott, those who have supported it are complicent Not really. The premier League and FA have done just what they like and gone ahead with changes that suit them. They haven’t even consulted EFL sides, the only way to stand up is to get the EFL to represent their 72 clubs and say it’s not for us but they’ve got no appetite to challenge them. There is no FA Cup without us 72 teams and the other 700 odd below the Premier League. This could be stopped in a heartbeat with a joint, concerted effort from clubs and fans alike
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 19, 2024 9:20:11 GMT 1
Not really. The premier League and FA have done just what they like and gone ahead with changes that suit them. They haven’t even consulted EFL sides, the only way to stand up is to get the EFL to represent their 72 clubs and say it’s not for us but they’ve got no appetite to challenge them. There is no FA Cup without us 72 teams and the other 700 odd below the Premier League. This could be stopped in a heartbeat with a joint, concerted effort There won't be because whilst some football clubs will object, others will be thinking about how they can get their hands on some of that extra money the FA/Premier League are dangling This is the problem and it happens time and time again, the Premier League/FA look to do something which the Football League clubs will be against, they will then say 'but we will give you some money in return....', this inevitably leads to some chairman going along with it and others meekly saying 'we have to accept it, there's nothing we can do'. Some of it is greed, some of it is short-term thinking, some of it is simply trying to cover up their losses and poor running of the club The Premier League think they can do what they want because they can, they shouldn't but the reality is they can. If the football club did put up a united front and action such as boycotts/legal action then I have no doubt that the Premier League would back down to some extent, it would be a PR disaster for them and be seen to be the big boys bullying the little boys. But the football league just roll over without a fuss, apart from a few individual clubs. Yesterday there should have been a message from the EFL endorsed by every football league club and shared by every club, instead we get individual statements from chairman
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 9:36:34 GMT 1
Not really. The premier League and FA have done just what they like and gone ahead with changes that suit them. They haven’t even consulted EFL sides, the only way to stand up is to get the EFL to represent their 72 clubs and say it’s not for us but they’ve got no appetite to challenge them. There is no FA Cup without us 72 teams and the other 700 odd below the Premier League. This could be stopped in a heartbeat with a joint, concerted effort from clubs and fans alike I agree, start the campaign, suggest an e mail to the club initially, maybe this is what things like the Supporters Parliament should be supporting or even SLOs who can liaise with other SLO’s (every league club has them) to unite fans and clubs to challenge the decision.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 9:38:14 GMT 1
There is no FA Cup without us 72 teams and the other 700 odd below the Premier League. This could be stopped in a heartbeat with a joint, concerted effort There won't be because whilst some football clubs will object, others will be thinking about how they can get their hands on some of that extra money the FA/Premier League are dangling This is the problem and it happens time and time again, the Premier League/FA look to do something which the Football League clubs will be against, they will then say 'but we will give you some money in return....', this inevitably leads to some chairman going along with it and others meekly saying 'we have to accept it, there's nothing we can do'. Some of it is greed, some of it is short-term thinking, some of it is simply trying to cover up their losses and poor running of the club The Premier League think they can do what they want because they can, they shouldn't but the reality is they can. If the football club did put up a united front and action such as boycotts/legal action then I have no doubt that the Premier League would back down to some extent, it would be a PR disaster for them and be seen to be the big boys bullying the little boys. But the football league just roll over without a fuss, apart from a few individual clubs. Yesterday there should have been a message from the EFL endorsed by every football league club and shared by every club, instead we get individual statements from chairman Thing is they’ve dangled the money but gone ahead without giving us any. Agree with your last paragraph, hopefully something by the end of the day?
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Post by MartinB on Apr 19, 2024 9:43:55 GMT 1
Interesting part that gets overlooked is how few League games Premier League players actually play. If you take 1800 minutes as a cut off which equals 20 games below is how many players who have played 20 League games or more
Man City 9 Arsenal 9 Liverpool 7 Aston Villa 8 Man Utd 6 Chelsea 9 Tottenham 9
If you take it to 25 games or 2250 minutes
Man City 6 Arsenal 7 Liverpool 1 Aston Villa 5 Man Utd 4 Chelsea 3 Tottenham 5
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Post by Pilch on Apr 19, 2024 9:55:47 GMT 1
It was like betting at a fairground where you can't win 😝
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 10:13:53 GMT 1
It was like betting at a fairground where you can't win 😝 I noticed 😅
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Post by Pilch on Apr 19, 2024 10:17:03 GMT 1
The introduction of B Teams into the EFL Trophy is the most widely reviled thing to happen to the lower leagues, with widespread promises of boycotts throughout every fanbase. Fast forward to today and any notion of boycotting the EFL Trophy had been almost unanimously abandoned and the zeitgeist has even gone the other way, with fans taking pride when their team has a large attendance in the competition. The lesson to the authorities couldn’t be more clear - do what you want because lower league fans are incapable of challenging it in any meaningful way. Absolutely agree and it’s what I inferred to on the previous page There was like 80,000 for the Wembley final the other year… imagine if that was played in front of a fully boycotted stadium. And every game of the tournament was the same. Sadly some people have no morals, principals or will power and that has emboldened the powers that be to further ruin our game This was voted for at an AGM after premier league agreed to double prize money , it was make the numbers up to 64 and try and revamp the then current poor structure of the comp , groups of 3 or 4 and awkward opportunities of teams tied like what happened to town once and had to replay the whole group again , fans incorrectly presumed it was to smooth the way for the introduction of b teams into the league , the boycott was mainly a non event for a cup where most fans didn't go to watch anyway before 2016 , I often go as these games are very useful to see fringe players and also a good opportunity to see the kids of premier sides in comparison , usually next to nothing to get in , a good money making competition , the only opportunity for a side like ours to ever lift a cup at Wembley , and as for the fa cup , if any comp was boycotted it should have been this one many seasons ago , I for one stated at the time in 2020 I would have sent a side of 7 year olds to anfield to send out a message the whole world Would have got , we might have got a better result too 🙃
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 19, 2024 11:48:23 GMT 1
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 19, 2024 11:56:47 GMT 1
Disgraceful lies and gas-lighting of their true motives
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 19, 2024 12:10:55 GMT 1
From a personal viewpoint I'm not a big fan of replays - lower league sides would have a chance of going through on penalties anyway to earn even more money, rather than get slapped in a replay.
Would make games a lot more exciting knowing there has to be a result, scrapping extra time for penalties is also something I'd want to see.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 19, 2024 12:26:43 GMT 1
From a personal viewpoint I'm not a big fan of replays - lower league sides would have a chance of going through on penalties anyway to earn even more money, rather than get slapped in a replay. Would make games a lot more exciting knowing there has to be a result, scrapping extra time for penalties is also something I'd want to see. That’s your preference and one you’re entitled to, and you won’t be alone in feeling that way. But what stinks is how the decision has been made, and the ulterior motives for making it. We have to be suspicious of everything that the elite do and claim is for ‘the greater good’.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 19, 2024 12:33:26 GMT 1
Any announcement by the club yet?
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Apr 19, 2024 12:39:41 GMT 1
It's very disappointing, half the fun of supporting a lower league team is a good cup run. Drawing at a big team's ground then getting a plum home replay. It was fun while it lasted.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 12:41:47 GMT 1
From a personal viewpoint I'm not a big fan of replays - lower league sides would have a chance of going through on penalties anyway to earn even more money, rather than get slapped in a replay. Would make games a lot more exciting knowing there has to be a result, scrapping extra time for penalties is also something I'd want to see. Look at clubs whose very survival is due to an FA Cup replay. Exeter spring to mind but sure there’s plenty more. Seems to me the EFL and Premier League have failed to agree to the changes the Prem wanted, so Premier League money was withheld as they couldn’t agree but then went ahead with the changes they wanted anyway.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 12:42:26 GMT 1
Any announcement by the club yet? Questions been asked.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 19, 2024 12:44:39 GMT 1
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 19, 2024 13:06:56 GMT 1
Any announcement by the club yet? No, very disappointing that nothing has been forthcoming.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 19, 2024 14:16:52 GMT 1
From a personal viewpoint I'm not a big fan of replays - lower league sides would have a chance of going through on penalties anyway to earn even more money, rather than get slapped in a replay. Would make games a lot more exciting knowing there has to be a result, scrapping extra time for penalties is also something I'd want to see. Look at clubs whose very survival is due to an FA Cup replay. Exeter spring to mind but sure there’s plenty more. Seems to me the EFL and Premier League have failed to agree to the changes the Prem wanted, so Premier League money was withheld as they couldn’t agree but then went ahead with the changes they wanted anyway. Those clubs could well have won the ties on penalties and progressed through anyway without the replay. Not saying it's right the way they've gone about it - but I personally won't miss replays.
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Post by mahoney on Apr 19, 2024 14:28:42 GMT 1
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 19, 2024 14:29:49 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 19, 2024 14:32:36 GMT 1
It reads to me as if some thought went into it so possibly the reason for the delay.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 19, 2024 14:36:31 GMT 1
well done town , good response
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