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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 0:15:12 GMT 1
Great Game, Sucker punch at the end, that was the only way that Marosi was going to be beaten.
The back four did well, I thought Feeney particularly in the first half made some good covering tackles, Big Aaron Pierre was blowing out of his proverbial but he does put his body on the line.
Bloxham did well, the midfield of Shipley, Bayliss, Winchester and Hinchy also, Although Hinchy and Bayliss faded. Strange subs I thought minus Bennett who added something.
Its clear Hurst doesn't have the explosive wingers in this squad he needs.
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Post by Beefy on Feb 14, 2024 0:19:20 GMT 1
I’ve no doubt Hurst is a better manager than Taylor he’s braver and more dynamic . But I do think it must be pointed out Hurst has got very lucky having a full squad to choose from something Taylor never came near to having
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 0:20:09 GMT 1
Great Game, Sucker punch at the end, that was the only way that Marosi was going to be beaten. The back four did well, I thought Feeney particularly in the first half made some good covering tackles, Big Aaron Pierre was blowing out of his proverbial but he does put his body on the line. Bloxham did well, the midfield of Shipley, Bayliss, Winchester and Hinchy also, Although Hinchy and Bayliss faded. Strange subs I thought minus Bennett who added something. Its clear Hurst doesn't have the explosive wingers in this squad he needs. annoying that we conceded when we went 5 at the back late on, just shows that formations just mean nothing at times
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 0:22:14 GMT 1
Will somebody tell Steve Cross we're playing Barnsley not Bolton. Jesus wept.
Can we not have our own version of Jimmy Hill, My god did he infuriate a little.
Steve Cross is pure gold !!!
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 0:25:35 GMT 1
I’ve no doubt Hurst is a better manager than Taylor he’s braver and more dynamic . But I do think it must be pointed out Hurst has got very lucky having a full squad to choose from something Taylor never came near to having there is a lot of truth in that, rather like when cotterill arrived just in time for several injury recoveries however If I run through the 4 games in my head Northampton away, I think Taylor would indeed have dominated the first 60 minutes, and wasted 5 or 6 chances, and then lose 1-0 to a late bit of pressure I fancy he might have beat Cambridge though so still on par, Derby no chance, would have been the standard 3-0 defeat, and tonight, we might have taken the lead but will have lost, for me he would still be starting with kenneh, Perry and mata, not even league 2 standard for me
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 0:27:14 GMT 1
Kennah would have been a better option to have had off the bench and have put on for Winchester instead of Perry, at least Kennah can tackle well.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 0:29:14 GMT 1
I would never ever substitute Winchester off when one goal up unless he physically cannot walk. Enjoyable game and good to see us give it a good go and not just put 11 behind the ball. Yes their class started to show, but we were always a threat. A draw very fair. It’s such a shame most of the good players will be off in the summer as we’ll probably never know exactly what Hurst could do with the likes of Shipley, Bayliss, Udoh with a full pre-season and some better squad options. Don't Shipley and Bayliss have 3rd Year Extensions?
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 14, 2024 0:32:40 GMT 1
Bayliss has👍
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 0:36:17 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 14, 2024 0:37:03 GMT 1
I’ve no doubt Hurst is a better manager than Taylor he’s braver and more dynamic . But I do think it must be pointed out Hurst has got very lucky having a full squad to choose from something Taylor never came near to having To be fair, Taylor sent Bloxham and O’Brien to league two, wouldn’t have signed Hinchey as he was too busy trying to bring in strikers, and left Bayliss as an unused substitute in his final game defeat at Peterborough.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 14, 2024 0:44:11 GMT 1
Kennah would have been a better option to have had off the bench and have put on for Winchester instead of Perry, at least Kennah can tackle well. We had already made 2 defensive subs Sraha for hinchy And Bennett for Shipley We went 5 at the back Perry for Winchester wasn't a crazy move In the circumstances Had we been a goal down and only had defensive subs even more questions would have been asked
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 14, 2024 1:04:33 GMT 1
Decent post. On your last point, our results never ever hid how bad we were to me - I called it out after 6 games, maybe earlier. I’d seen enough by Leyton Orient away late September, Blackpool was the next should be sacking point, then Burton. We let Taylor and Bignot stink the place out for far too long Another one who will sleep better knowing I was right all along… we outplayed orient, should have been 2 or 3 up at half time, Blackpool away was our worst performance of the season by a long way, also it seems Blackpools best, we lost there 5-0 in 1979, the greatest season ever, s**t happens in football, we beat derby 1-0 earlier in the season and I remember the 'knockers' going on about it was only an own goal that won us the game, bit like tonights goal, (no one has mentioned that) anyway my point is, I think Taylor was given exactly the right number of games, he had some bad luck, had some good luck, many injuries, but he was on a loser from before he even arrived, our chairman wanted Hurst before Taylor but he was tied down, so Taylor was all we could afford, and then we eventually end up with hurst as he becomes available , lets not forget if it wasnt for the money issues as a result of the guy you still worship we might have been in a position to bargain for hurst back at the start of the season , you moan about the early bird season tickets, same guy same problem caused this, last season and this one, I mean maybe go follow forest green instead, their chairman has money and the guy you love at the wheel, take your pick one or the other Everyone was happy with Derby at home? We were great that evening, it just happened to be a complete one off.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 14, 2024 1:41:54 GMT 1
Kennah would have been a better option to have had off the bench and have put on for Winchester instead of Perry, at least Kennah can tackle well. We had already made 2 defensive subs Sraha for hinchy And Bennett for Shipley We went 5 at the back Perry for Winchester wasn't a crazy move In the circumstances Had we been a goal down and only had defensive subs even more questions would have been asked Would have preferred Sobowale - someone to put on the ball and run it into the corners a la John-Lewis. But what do I know :-)
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Post by Beefy on Feb 14, 2024 8:46:45 GMT 1
Not sure why people are raving about Hinchy he’s been poor in both his starts gave the ball away far too many times, at least twice leading to dangerous Barnsley breaks
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 14, 2024 8:55:38 GMT 1
One thing again highlighted is that Hurst probably wasn't overly impressed with signings made under Taylor.
None of these made the squad (may be wrong but not aware of any injuries): Mata, Kenneh, Idowu, Anderson
So that means all of the loan signings from Summer made were either sent back or not in the squad. At this level, loans can be a huge determinant of a good season so really hope this is improved for next season.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 9:08:29 GMT 1
The highlights are not kind to Taylor Perry for a stupid tackle he could never win and there was a covering player.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 14, 2024 9:33:32 GMT 1
The highlights are not kind to Taylor Perry for a stupid tackle he could never win and there was a covering player. Opposition was going the other way as well, just stand tight. I'd be surprised if Mata, Anderson, Perry etc are here next year, I can't see it. We should've sent Mata out on loan. Then again, I can't see the big names resigning either unless they're very settled here.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 14, 2024 9:43:30 GMT 1
One thing again highlighted is that Hurst probably wasn't overly impressed with signings made under Taylor. None of these made the squad (may be wrong but not aware of any injuries): Mata, Kenneh, Idowu, Anderson So that means all of the loan signings from Summer made were either sent back or not in the squad. At this level, loans can be a huge determinant of a good season so really hope this is improved for next season. Granted I'm not 100% up on who is making the decisions and to what degree (not sure it was mentioned in the supporters meetings) but shouldn't we include Moore in that too? So early days yet recruitment wise but looking to that, not exactly the most auspicious start to things under the new DOF.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 14, 2024 10:15:53 GMT 1
One thing again highlighted is that Hurst probably wasn't overly impressed with signings made under Taylor. None of these made the squad (may be wrong but not aware of any injuries): Mata, Kenneh, Idowu, Anderson So that means all of the loan signings from Summer made were either sent back or not in the squad. At this level, loans can be a huge determinant of a good season so really hope this is improved for next season. Granted I'm not 100% up on who is making the decisions and to what degree (not sure it was mentioned in the supporters meetings) but shouldn't we include Moore in that too? So early days yet recruitment wise but looking to that, not exactly the most auspicious start to things under the new DOF. Terrible start from Moore really. Marosi, Dunkley, Pierre, Winchester, Bayliss, Shipley, Bloxham & Udoh all from previous years starting last night. That's 8 out of our XI. The other starters are a centre half at RB, a young lad on loan which only came about once Hurst came in, and our backup/third choice left back. Is Moore accountable for Mata, Kenneh, Anderson, Idowu etc?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 14, 2024 10:18:38 GMT 1
One thing again highlighted is that Hurst probably wasn't overly impressed with signings made under Taylor. None of these made the squad (may be wrong but not aware of any injuries): Mata, Kenneh, Idowu, Anderson So that means all of the loan signings from Summer made were either sent back or not in the squad. At this level, loans can be a huge determinant of a good season so really hope this is improved for next season. Granted I'm not 100% up on who is making the decisions and to what degree (not sure it was mentioned in the supporters meetings) but shouldn't we include Moore in that too? So early days yet recruitment wise but looking to that, not exactly the most auspicious start to things under the new DOF. No it isn't Moore should have gone with Taylor,
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Post by dibblydobbly on Feb 14, 2024 10:18:44 GMT 1
Granted I'm not 100% up on who is making the decisions and to what degree (not sure it was mentioned in the supporters meetings) but shouldn't we include Moore in that too? So early days yet recruitment wise but looking to that, not exactly the most auspicious start to things under the new DOF. Terrible start from Moore really. Marosi, Dunkley, Pierre, Winchester, Bayliss, Shipley, Bloxham & Udoh all from previous years starting last night. That's 8 out of our XI. The other starters are a centre half at RB, a young lad on loan which only came about once Hurst came in, and our backup/third choice left back. Is Moore accountable for Mata, Kenneh, Anderson, Idowu etc? I must protest your description of Mal Benning as third choice, he is the best of our left backs and was outstanding last night, again.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 14, 2024 10:22:39 GMT 1
The highlights are not kind to Taylor Perry for a stupid tackle he could never win and there was a covering player. Opposition was going the other way as well, just stand tight. I'd be surprised if Mata, Anderson, Perry etc are here next year, I can't see it. We should've sent Mata out on loan. Then again, I can't see the big names resigning either unless they're very settled here. I shudder when I think of life after Dunkley and Marosi. They're levels above anything else. Winchester is another proper player.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Feb 14, 2024 10:24:31 GMT 1
Shout out to the crowd last night, midweek dark rainy games are usually known for the low attendance and sombre atmosphere but the South Stand in particular didn't stop singing throughout.
Can't for the life of me work out why Bowman or even O'Brien didn't come on for Udoh, he looked and must have been gassed by the 80th minute.
But will take two points from Derby away and Barnsley at home...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 14, 2024 10:35:08 GMT 1
Terrible start from Moore really. Marosi, Dunkley, Pierre, Winchester, Bayliss, Shipley, Bloxham & Udoh all from previous years starting last night. That's 8 out of our XI. The other starters are a centre half at RB, a young lad on loan which only came about once Hurst came in, and our backup/third choice left back. Is Moore accountable for Mata, Kenneh, Anderson, Idowu etc? I must protest your description of Mal Benning as third choice, he is the best of our left backs and was outstanding last night, again. I've been critical of Benning this season but the last couple of games he's looked better. His assist at Derby a highlight. Not sure whether that has coincided with the arrival of Hurst? I know they are professionals and they should be able to play any position and system asked of them but I do think you can make life easier for players if they happen to be more comfortable and confident when asked to play a certain position or role. I just wonder if that's why we look better as a whole over the last few games, I mean with the change of formation introduced by Hurst. As Benning does look a different player to me since, for example.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 14, 2024 10:40:34 GMT 1
Granted I'm not 100% up on who is making the decisions and to what degree (not sure it was mentioned in the supporters meetings) but shouldn't we include Moore in that too? So early days yet recruitment wise but looking to that, not exactly the most auspicious start to things under the new DOF. Terrible start from Moore really. Marosi, Dunkley, Pierre, Winchester, Bayliss, Shipley, Bloxham & Udoh all from previous years starting last night. That's 8 out of our XI. The other starters are a centre half at RB, a young lad on loan which only came about once Hurst came in, and our backup/third choice left back. Is Moore accountable for Mata, Kenneh, Anderson, Idowu etc? The return of Bloxham looks to be the best addition to the team this season.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 14, 2024 11:24:08 GMT 1
Terrible start from Moore really. Marosi, Dunkley, Pierre, Winchester, Bayliss, Shipley, Bloxham & Udoh all from previous years starting last night. That's 8 out of our XI. The other starters are a centre half at RB, a young lad on loan which only came about once Hurst came in, and our backup/third choice left back. Is Moore accountable for Mata, Kenneh, Anderson, Idowu etc? I must protest your description of Mal Benning as third choice, he is the best of our left backs and was outstanding last night, again. I think he's been fantastic, and is now our first choice, had Taylor been left at it and Nurse not injured, I maintain he would've been third choice and was signed as a backup. I don't think I'm wrong there? 1st - Nurse 2nd - Shipley 3rd - Benning Now we've reverted to 4 at the back (thank ****) he is our starter, and he's been decent of late.
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Post by shrewswolf on Feb 14, 2024 11:32:34 GMT 1
Benning was shocking up until Christmas but I’d say he was starting to show this form (and ridiculously good fitness levels) under Taylor just before his departure. He was brilliant against Wrexham for example but MT thought otherwise and him off, having not taken him off that early in many of his earlier season stinkers. One of the stranger decisions MT made!
He’s going to become a bit of an unlikely ‘hero’ if he hasn’t already and I think he’ll find himself on the scoresheet before long with the one twos Hurst has him playing coming inside his opposite full back towards the box.
Lots of things have improved dramatically even if the results don’t quite suggest so points wise, maybe.
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Post by camdenshrew on Feb 14, 2024 11:43:02 GMT 1
One thing again highlighted is that Hurst probably wasn't overly impressed with signings made under Taylor. None of these made the squad (may be wrong but not aware of any injuries): Mata, Kenneh, Idowu, Anderson So that means all of the loan signings from Summer made were either sent back or not in the squad. At this level, loans can be a huge determinant of a good season so really hope this is improved for next season. It's worth listening to Hurst's post-match interview. He admits he hasn't got what he'd really like in terms of back-up players, that some players were running on empty towards the end and that he would like us to be fitter. Obviously, different managers have different requirements but it sounded to me as an indirect criticism of the fitness and recruitment standards inherited from the previous regime.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 14, 2024 11:49:29 GMT 1
Marosi last night, everyone saying what a great game he had but I think he was very lucky he didn’t cost us a goal. Even on the two minute highlights on YouTube, he pushes a cross/shot straight out to the middle of the goal and is lucky the rebound falls straight to him, flaps at another shot/cross and is lucky their player was offside, and drops the most basic of catches and is very lucky that doesn’t go in. Some great saves in between that didn’t make the highlights, but what a strange game he had.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 14, 2024 12:08:24 GMT 1
I'm still looking at 50 points. If we can't accrue an udder 15 points from those remaining fixtures, we deserve to go down.
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