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Post by Dale on Jan 16, 2024 6:33:01 GMT 1
All very good signings at this level and the core of the Cotterill team, would they have signed for Salop under Taylor and Moore? The answer surely would have been no…
My Coventry supporting friend spoke to Shipley’s uncle at their last game who claims he turned down Sheffield Wednesday to come to us!
Now we can just about persuade players from Waterford and Sligo to sign for us… it’s an absolute shambles and another reason as to why this club is going backwards.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 16, 2024 7:47:50 GMT 1
You missed obrien
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jan 16, 2024 9:42:51 GMT 1
Dale ,I thank you for your positivity. We are lucky to have such a loyal fan.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jan 16, 2024 9:43:14 GMT 1
All very good signings at this level and the core of the Cotterill team, would they have signed for Salop under Taylor and Moore? The answer surely would have been no… My Coventry supporting friend spoke to Shipley’s uncle at their last game who claims he turned down Sheffield Wednesday to come to us! Now we can just about persuade players from Waterford and Sligo to sign for us… it’s an absolute shambles and another reason as to why this club is going backwards. I have thought even when we signed them, what on earth are we paying them!? Particularly marosi and shipley as they were signed in the summer, yet still in contract at championship clubs. Pennington and Flanagan were signed from big clubs too with another 6 months to run There is no way signing from the league of Ireland will be on any where near half their wages I imagine
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 16, 2024 10:01:12 GMT 1
We’ve gone from shopping at Waitrose (with a credit card) to visiting the food banks.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 16, 2024 10:08:23 GMT 1
Last season we shopped in Sainsburys/M&S for 5-6 players. This season we're shopping in Asda/Home Bargains for 9-10 players.
The cost is probably about the same for 6 of last seasons versus 10 of this seasons players, but mix the two together and you'd think that might potentially cause niggles in the dressing room?
The problem might come if/when the likes of Marosi, Dunkley, Shipley & Bayliss depart, that would severely impact the quality of our side.
I personally prefer the quality over quantity approach. With all the shenanigans and rumours to one side, if we're just talking football here for a minute, I'd take Cotts 16/17 squad over Ricketts 27/28 squad any day of the week.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 16, 2024 10:44:56 GMT 1
Last season we shopped in Sainsburys/M&S for 5-6 players. This season we're shopping in Asda/Home Bargains for 9-10 players. The cost is probably about the same for 6 of last seasons versus 10 of this seasons players, but mix the two together and you'd think that might potentially cause niggles in the dressing room? The problem might come if/when the likes of Marosi, Dunkley, Shipley & Bayliss depart, that would severely impact the quality of our side. I personally prefer the quality over quantity approach. With all the shenanigans and rumours to one side, if we're just talking football here for a minute, I'd take Cotts 16/17 squad over Ricketts 27/28 squad any day of the week. Me too, we got very unlucky with injuries last season too
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Post by secretshrew on Jan 16, 2024 10:56:48 GMT 1
We’ve gone from shopping at Waitrose (with a credit card) to visiting the food banks. And we were doing so after potentially the biggest revenue loss due to covid. Whoever was signing these off (if anyone) needs their head testing. Surely this was a time where financial scrutiny was paramount, not turning a blind eye to transfers. Somewhere along the line their was a complete loss of control or/and communication.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 16, 2024 10:59:47 GMT 1
We’ve gone from shopping at Waitrose (with a credit card) to visiting the food banks. And we were doing so after potentially the biggest revenue loss due to covid. Whoever was signing these off (if anyone) needs their head testing. Surely this was a time where financial scrutiny was paramount, not turning a blind eye to transfers. Somewhere along the line their was a complete loss of control or/and communication. The one time we really needed a safe pair of hands after Covid and it's complications and he was absent whilst the club was fleeced by another of his senior appointments.
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Post by blamber on Jan 16, 2024 11:04:11 GMT 1
Last season we shopped in Sainsburys/M&S for 5-6 players. This season we're shopping in Asda/Home Bargains for 9-10 players. The cost is probably about the same for 6 of last seasons versus 10 of this seasons players, but mix the two together and you'd think that might potentially cause niggles in the dressing room? The problem might come if/when the likes of Marosi, Dunkley, Shipley & Bayliss depart, that would severely impact the quality of our side. I personally prefer the quality over quantity approach. With all the shenanigans and rumours to one side, if we're just talking football here for a minute, I'd take Cotts 16/17 squad over Ricketts 27/28 squad any day of the week. Quite right. Always take quality over quantity - with a good sprinkling of player versatility. Moore has it on record that he wants a bigger squad. But we don't have the funds to finance a big squad that will compete in league 1. Once the better quality players leave, we will have incomings that are of far lesser quality and similar to many of the ones brought in by Moore over the summer. And most of them are not good enough at this level.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 16, 2024 11:09:33 GMT 1
Last season we shopped in Sainsburys/M&S for 5-6 players. This season we're shopping in Asda/Home Bargains for 9-10 players. The cost is probably about the same for 6 of last seasons versus 10 of this seasons players, but mix the two together and you'd think that might potentially cause niggles in the dressing room? The problem might come if/when the likes of Marosi, Dunkley, Shipley & Bayliss depart, that would severely impact the quality of our side. I personally prefer the quality over quantity approach. With all the shenanigans and rumours to one side, if we're just talking football here for a minute, I'd take Cotts 16/17 squad over Ricketts 27/28 squad any day of the week. Me too, we got very unlucky with injuries last season too We were extremely lucky to have so few injuries that season. Came back to bite us in the arse last season though (and carrying onto this season too).
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 16, 2024 11:13:53 GMT 1
Sorry to bring the quote up again, but in Mickey Moore's own words, the budget this season is the same as last season. Now if we account for inflation it's a cut in real terms but it's not a significant slashing of the budget which we believed to be the case originally. My understanding was the playing budget wasn't the problem, it was the overspend which was for various 'other' items (depending on which rumours you believe)
I think it's a fair assumption that the players mentioned in the title are on significantly more than players brought in from Ireland, released by Barnsley and were in the reserves at Port Vale. However it would be interesting to see what the overall budget is and what is the split. This season we have signed 9 players and brought in 6 on loan compared to signing 4 and bringing in 6 on loan last season. I suspect the wage bill is very similar to last season
My expectations is the majority of these players will be gone by the summer and our shopping will then consist of cheap markets like Ireland, youngsters released, cheap loans and then the odd experienced (but average) player which has been released by a top half L1 side.
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Post by Kiwi on Jan 16, 2024 11:21:24 GMT 1
I totally understand that there will be different views on selections and managers, but it makes me wonder what we could have achieved last season and no matter where we place at the end of this season and what could have been, and I am purely speaking if we had all players fit for both seasons and both Steve & Matt had their chance to showcase what they could have done with their respective squads if fit and no injuries you can keep the red cards.
Did we overachieve in Steves final season who knows?
Have we under achieve so far in Matt's first still a lot of games to go and if he has a run like Steve did 6 wins in a row from now we may just pip last year's final points tally.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing I am sure things would have been done differently if we could go back every season, but we cannot.
Personally, I feel both would be different regardless from last season's 12th place and regardless of our final position this season various reasons as always dictate where a side ends up regardless of club.
Do I think we would have made top 6 last season not even close I wouldn't have thought we would have made top 15 at the start of the season.
be interested to hear your thoughts sorry if slightly off topic.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 16, 2024 11:45:50 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs?
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 16, 2024 12:36:07 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs? Bates and Haywood from Stourbridge and Jock Fulton scouted in Scotland with great success
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 16, 2024 12:55:03 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs? This sort of nonsense just assumes that there are no drawbacks to signing cheap gambles, when the obvious drawback is most of them are crap and won’t make the grade. If you sign more proven players, they clearly have a far greater chance of being a success, but the impact should they fail (eg O’Brien) is also greater. It’s a tough balancing act, and if as expected most of the good players leave this summer, it’ll be interesting to see if we try and replace them with established players, or see it as an opportunity to drive down the wage bill and have a team of unproven and not good enough Irish lads.
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Jan 16, 2024 13:14:32 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs? Steve Biggins from Hednesford..Gary Hackett from Bromsgrove and Paul Tester from Cheltenham (then a lowly non-league club)
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Post by northwestman on Jan 16, 2024 13:36:49 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs? Steve Biggins from Hednesford..Gary Hackett from Bromsgrove and Paul Tester from Cheltenham (then a lowly non-league club) Peterborough still seem to find these sort of players! And don't forget Colin Robinson.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 16, 2024 13:45:46 GMT 1
In those days we had Fulton and Jukes.
But in later years when someone off this Board spotted Carl Baker and Mark Duffy playing for Southport and reported them as players of interest to the Club, he was more or less told to go away.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 16, 2024 14:02:05 GMT 1
I've no problem with unearthing gems from the lower leagues, however it needs to be done strategically.
It's a difficult one to master but some clubs are very good at it, Brentford (before they were PL), Peterborough & Accrington spring to mind.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 16, 2024 14:06:00 GMT 1
I've no problem with unearthing gems from the lower leagues, however it needs to be done strategically. It's a difficult one to master but some clubs are very good at it, Brentford (before they were PL), Peterborough & Accrington spring to mind. They also need to be coming into a side with experienced good players and a clear playing style for them to fit into. It’s no surprise that if we play like a team of cloggers and hoofball merchants that any young or inexperienced player plays the same way, it’d take an exceptional talent to transform us with how we currently are.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 16, 2024 14:08:09 GMT 1
I don't think no one thought much of Leahy when he first arrived, I'm sure the quotes were why do we want a left back that's just been relegated with Bristol Rovers, Little did most know that he'd turn into a great midfield/versatile Captain,
Just don't know what you've got until its gone.
Likely need to add Bennett, Flanagan, Winchester to the list of signed players from the title thread and yes O'Brien as well, Just seems strange also that O'Brien is always dragged up - its the one poor signing Cotterill made.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 16, 2024 14:20:13 GMT 1
What does history tell us? I don't know, maybe it won't work these days, but I seem to remember Chic Bates and another from Hednesford, others coming in from Scottish clubs? This sort of nonsense just assumes that there are no drawbacks to signing cheap gambles, when the obvious drawback is most of them are crap and won’t make the grade. If you sign more proven players, they clearly have a far greater chance of being a success, but the impact should they fail (eg O’Brien) is also greater. It’s a tough balancing act, and if as expected most of the good players leave this summer, it’ll be interesting to see if we try and replace them with established players, or see it as an opportunity to drive down the wage bill and have a team of unproven and not good enough Irish lads. You have to ask? Of course we will see it as an opportunity to take on "prospects" from any source to reduce the wage bill and, hopefully, make money on transfers with some that succeed. I would say the aim is to " do" a Peterborough or Crewe.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 16, 2024 14:35:41 GMT 1
In those days we had Fulton and Jukes. But in later years when someone off this Board spotted Carl Baker and Mark Duffy playing for Southport and reported them as players of interest to the Club, he was more or less told to go away. Mark Duffy, not heard his name mentioned for a while
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 16, 2024 16:25:30 GMT 1
This sort of nonsense just assumes that there are no drawbacks to signing cheap gambles, when the obvious drawback is most of them are crap and won’t make the grade. If you sign more proven players, they clearly have a far greater chance of being a success, but the impact should they fail (eg O’Brien) is also greater. It’s a tough balancing act, and if as expected most of the good players leave this summer, it’ll be interesting to see if we try and replace them with established players, or see it as an opportunity to drive down the wage bill and have a team of unproven and not good enough Irish lads. You have to ask? Of course we will see it as an opportunity to take on "prospects" from any source to reduce the wage bill and, hopefully, make money on transfers with some that succeed. I would say the aim is to " do" a Peterborough or Crewe. Both Crewe and Peterborough are laudable aims, though Crewe’s academy costs a fortune, and Peterborough invest significant sums of money in buying places that they back themselves to sell for double, triple or greater. Do we have that sort of money or willpower to do either? Or will we do a Poundland version which involves buying random unknown players and crossing our fingers?
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 16, 2024 18:27:42 GMT 1
We’ve gone from shopping at Waitrose (with a credit card) to visiting the food banks. And we were doing so after potentially the biggest revenue loss due to covid. Whoever was signing these off (if anyone) needs their head testing. Surely this was a time where financial scrutiny was paramount, not turning a blind eye to transfers. Somewhere along the line their was a complete loss of control or/and communication. Myself and I'm sure many others lay the blame here squarely at Roland's feet.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 16, 2024 23:28:58 GMT 1
I agree its worrying if some of the remaining players named in the thread depart, I fear particularly Marosi and Dunkley leaving,
I think the key to a balanced squad is somewhere between where Cotterill was and where Taylor is going, I do wonder what guys like Benning and Sobowale would have been like in a Cotterill squad. They seem to have been on the fringes of the team at the start of the season but have improved a lot. Those two are always prepared to run with the ball and I like that.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 17, 2024 8:32:31 GMT 1
And we were doing so after potentially the biggest revenue loss due to covid. Whoever was signing these off (if anyone) needs their head testing. Surely this was a time where financial scrutiny was paramount, not turning a blind eye to transfers. Somewhere along the line their was a complete loss of control or/and communication. Myself and I'm sure many others lay the blame here squarely at Roland's feet. Rightly so, the crown turned on RW in small pockets on Saturday. That's bound to grow, he's totally burnt his legacy here for me.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 17, 2024 9:29:45 GMT 1
Myself and I'm sure many others lay the blame here squarely at Roland's feet. Rightly so, the crown turned on RW in small pockets on Saturday. That's bound to grow, he's totally burnt his legacy here for me. We know
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 17, 2024 9:55:34 GMT 1
In those days we had Fulton and Jukes. But in later years when someone off this Board spotted Carl Baker and Mark Duffy playing for Southport and reported them as players of interest to the Club, he was more or less told to go away. Reminds me that around 2000 I knew someone who’s best mate was Adam Proudlock. He was at Wolves but not progressing, think he’d been sent out on loan to a Scottish non league club. He was desperate to come to us so I had a word with Chic Bates who I knew, he seemed interested but came back with a no from the club.
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