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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 13, 2024 23:09:08 GMT 1
I'd rather give MT a massive pay rise and a 20 year contract than have that snake back at the club. Football becomes a lot easier to digest when you accept that everyone is only loyal to themselves. Fans will turn on players and managers, owners will go behind managers backs to line up replacements, managers will happily sack off players when they’re out of favour, players and managers will always be looking for their next move.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 13, 2024 23:16:51 GMT 1
I can't bring myself to vote in this. I don't think a new coach would change things that much. I don't think Hurst would be happy with a head coach role. I don't believe he would want to come back. It just feels like a fantasy. A fantasy that nearly half of us wouldn't even want.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jan 13, 2024 23:17:09 GMT 1
Desperate times and all that. We are in need of help, any help.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 13, 2024 23:29:18 GMT 1
imagine a businessman bringing in a guy to run his business which 46% of his customers already state they dont want Please Enlighted me? seriously ? well even this poll suggested at the time I posted 46% of fans dont want hurst back I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back I also know for a fact Hurst would come back at the drop of a hat but............. do you think ( considering the financial crisis we are currently in ) we should a, pay off Moore +b, pay off Taylor +c, Pay off Bignott +d, Give Hurst a contract +e, Doig will be here too and then hope Hurst actually recreates a miracle instead of his ever increasing run of failures if he arrives tomorrow he arrives with already 46% of the fan base wanting him out just jot up the cost of a+b+c+d+e. just one more question who are you going to blame if it doesn't work I've just looked at hursts EFL record since he left us Hurst 140 games. at 1.1 point per game Taylor this season 27 games 1.11 points per game thats an awful lot of money to bring in a someone with a even worse record who has already lost half the fan base ps we should have won today, might have been 12th had we done so
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Jan 14, 2024 0:00:33 GMT 1
seriously ? well even this poll suggested at the time I posted 46% of fans dont want hurst back I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back I also know for a fact Hurst would come back at the drop of a hat but............. do you think ( considering the financial crisis we are currently in ) we should a, pay off Moore +b, pay off Taylor +c, Pay off Bignott +d, Give Hurst a contract +e, Doig will be here too and then hope Hurst actually recreates a miracle instead of his ever increasing run of failures if he arrives tomorrow he arrives with already 46% of the fan base wanting him out just jot up the cost of a+b+c+d+e. just one more question who are you going to blame if it doesn't work I've just looked at hursts EFL record since he left us Hurst 140 games. at 1.1 point per game Taylor this season 27 games 1.11 points per game thats an awful lot of money to bring in a someone with a even worse record who has already lost half the fan base ps we should have won today, might have been 12th had we done so Seems a bit of a mess this. I see the principles behind the DoF setup and why it could suit a club like ours. But if it doesn't work, it is important to be able to change it. The idea that changing it could now bring the club to financial ruin is rather awful. All the more reason to wish Taylor and the team well. Unfortunately the stats don't seem to be in his favour.
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Post by akpaakpost on Jan 14, 2024 0:02:39 GMT 1
As much as I don’t think he’s the right answer in the long term I’d attach a lot less blame towards the chairman for a potential relegation if he went past MM and got Hurst in for the remainder of the season. Even if we still went down
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 14, 2024 0:08:28 GMT 1
With a few tweaks, which MT seems to be implementing, and a little bit of luck we could be mid table right now.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 14, 2024 0:12:37 GMT 1
seriously ? well even this poll suggested at the time I posted 46% of fans dont want hurst back I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back I also know for a fact Hurst would come back at the drop of a hat but............. do you think ( considering the financial crisis we are currently in ) we should a, pay off Moore +b, pay off Taylor +c, Pay off Bignott +d, Give Hurst a contract +e, Doig will be here too and then hope Hurst actually recreates a miracle instead of his ever increasing run of failures if he arrives tomorrow he arrives with already 46% of the fan base wanting him out just jot up the cost of a+b+c+d+e. just one more question who are you going to blame if it doesn't work I've just looked at hursts EFL record since he left us Hurst 140 games. at 1.1 point per game Taylor this season 27 games 1.11 points per game thats an awful lot of money to bring in a someone with a even worse record who has already lost half the fan base ps we should have won today, might have been 12th had we done so You are absolutely correct that we should have won today but therein lies the problem for the whole season. Poor tactics which leads us to being the lowest goal scorers in the whole EFL accompanied by second rate recruitment.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 14, 2024 0:32:22 GMT 1
Poor tactics which leads us to being the lowest goal scorers in the whole EFL accompanied by second rate recruitment. Sheffield Utd have scored only 15. So we don't yet have that title. Granted they play less games than us. Edit: I see you made it clear it was EFL. My bad
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Post by wickedwilleh on Jan 14, 2024 0:58:26 GMT 1
As a fanbase, we need to move on from Hurst. Most people have
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 1:59:16 GMT 1
seriously ? well even this poll suggested at the time I posted 46% of fans dont want hurst back I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back I also know for a fact Hurst would come back at the drop of a hat but............. do you think ( considering the financial crisis we are currently in ) we should a, pay off Moore +b, pay off Taylor +c, Pay off Bignott +d, Give Hurst a contract +e, Doig will be here too and then hope Hurst actually recreates a miracle instead of his ever increasing run of failures if he arrives tomorrow he arrives with already 46% of the fan base wanting him out just jot up the cost of a+b+c+d+e. just one more question who are you going to blame if it doesn't work I've just looked at hursts EFL record since he left us Hurst 140 games. at 1.1 point per game Taylor this season 27 games 1.11 points per game thats an awful lot of money to bring in a someone with a even worse record who has already lost half the fan base ps we should have won today, might have been 12th had we done so Seems a bit of a mess this. I see the principles behind the DoF setup and why it could suit a club like ours. But if it doesn't work, it is important to be able to change it. The idea that changing it could now bring the club to financial ruin is rather awful. All the more reason to wish Taylor and the team well. Unfortunately the stats don't seem to be in his favour. How many times had having a manager not worked ? Do we change to dof every time it doesn't Even if we are only 3 points from mid table more than half way into the season bizarre, we do cry a lot over nothing
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 14, 2024 2:00:24 GMT 1
I'd rather give MT a massive pay rise and a 20 year contract than have that snake back at the club. ****ing ridiculous post, and attitude. The stories you so blindly lean your alligence to aren't true, the clearing of the desk and all the other mistruths are and have proven to be nonsense. The only snake is Skitt, he was asked and denied knowledge, yet 110% knew what was happening.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 14, 2024 2:04:44 GMT 1
I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back 100% true. He wanted him back previously, but Caldwell got in the way (Caldwell's Mrs tweet, remember that?) I know they've spoken very recently, the wheels are in motion should they be required.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 14, 2024 7:28:53 GMT 1
I'd rather give MT a massive pay rise and a 20 year contract than have that snake back at the club. Football becomes a lot easier to digest when you accept that everyone is only loyal to themselves. Fans will turn on players and managers, owners will go behind managers backs to line up replacements, managers will happily sack off players when they’re out of favour, players and managers will always be looking for their next move. The only thing I ask is 100% commitment whilst in the role and I don't believe that was the case.
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Post by colehamshrew on Jan 14, 2024 10:10:11 GMT 1
If Roland has brought in the DoF model then we are going to stick with it. After sleeping on yesterdays dire performance i would suggest 2 or 3 loan players that are not made of glass or paper and will stay fit could make a lot of difference. Saying that we are in a relegation battle and our senior players don't seem to have any mental resilience at the moment
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Post by bertofold on Jan 14, 2024 10:29:29 GMT 1
I don’t get the fascination with bringing back Hurst. One for the way he left and secondly because of his record since leaving. Just a thought, it’s not, I don’t think, been mentioned anywhere on here, but what are the thoughts of having Gav Cowan as manager? Doing well at Brackley and has generally done ok in his management career. Lives locally, knows the club and RW. Thoughts ?
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 14, 2024 10:36:25 GMT 1
I don’t get the fascination with bringing back Hurst. One for the way he left and secondly because of his record since leaving. Just a thought, it’s not, I don’t think, been mentioned anywhere on here, but what are the thoughts of having Gav Cowan as manager? Doing well at Brackley and has generally done ok in his management career. Lives locally, knows the club and RW. Thoughts ? Interesting idea and would probably be a cheap option which always goes down well with Roland. Sounds like he really knows his stuff when he talks about his plans for Brackley on ITS.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 14, 2024 10:42:24 GMT 1
Depends whether he wants to work with a DOF. Presumably he’s his own boss at Brackley.
This is going to be the big thing if we ever want another coach. Are they prepared to have some bloke sitting in an office doing whatever he does dictating what, when and how they do things?
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Post by bertofold on Jan 14, 2024 10:50:26 GMT 1
Depends whether he wants to work with a DOF. Presumably he’s his own boss at Brackley. This is going to be the big thing if we ever want another coach. Are they prepared to have some bloke sitting in an office doing whatever he does dictating what, when and how they do things? I suppose it depends on the DoF If it the right person he may well benefit by having someone with experience to lean on
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 14, 2024 11:04:16 GMT 1
Seems a bit of a mess this. I see the principles behind the DoF setup and why it could suit a club like ours. But if it doesn't work, it is important to be able to change it. The idea that changing it could now bring the club to financial ruin is rather awful. All the more reason to wish Taylor and the team well. Unfortunately the stats don't seem to be in his favour. How many times had having a manager not worked ? Do we change to dof every time it doesn't Even if we are only 3 points from mid table more than half way into the season bizarre, we do cry a lot over nothing I think fans are crying over lack of entertainment. Oh and Taylor’s not happy either, seems it’s only you not concerned.
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Post by shrewdshrewssupporter on Jan 14, 2024 12:00:57 GMT 1
Seems a bit of a mess this. I see the principles behind the DoF setup and why it could suit a club like ours. But if it doesn't work, it is important to be able to change it. The idea that changing it could now bring the club to financial ruin is rather awful. All the more reason to wish Taylor and the team well. Unfortunately the stats don't seem to be in his favour. How many times had having a manager not worked ? Do we change to dof every time it doesn't Even if we are only 3 points from mid table more than half way into the season bizarre, we do cry a lot over nothing Historically, having a manager has very rarely worked if you look at sackings. I think the concern now is that a) the manager isn't working and b) the DoF has not (yet) shown much in the way of ability to recruit managers or players to help the manager. We could be in a good position, if there was a sign that results are coming and things are improving. I'm not sure if I've seen that. We could even be in a good position if we still have fixtures at home against say 8 of the bottom 12 (number randomly chosen) yet to be played (that is where I would see our wins coming). I'm not sure this is the case. To be clear, I'm not asking for MT or MM's head. My first post was of concern for our ability to change things in future and this post is of concern for our safety this season. Both of those may change to a call for one or both of their heads if recent form continues.
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Post by wakemanender on Jan 14, 2024 12:04:12 GMT 1
I don’t get the fascination with bringing back Hurst. One for the way he left and secondly because of his record since leaving. Just a thought, it’s not, I don’t think, been mentioned anywhere on here, but what are the thoughts of having Gav Cowan as manager? Doing well at Brackley and has generally done ok in his management career. Lives locally, knows the club and RW. Thoughts ? I like the thought of Gavin Cowan. He was at the Wrexham game. His son plays for the academy so still a connection. He is a top coach and an excellent speaker. My only reservation would be his lack of knowledge of players at this level. His management experience is at non league level. It would be great to have a manager local to the area and with some feeling for the club.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 14, 2024 12:23:13 GMT 1
Yep,could happen when we're in conference.....ideal choice then👍😉😉
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Post by wakemanender on Jan 14, 2024 12:29:19 GMT 1
Its very easy for us supporters to shout for the Coach or Manager to be sacked but there is little thought as to the cost involved in making these changes. Its not long ago that we had to pay off SC and his assistant. To do it this time would probably involve not only the coach but his assistants and maybe even someone higher. A very costly business. Our finances are not brilliant as we all know. Getting through to the FA Cup 4th round would have maybe given them a boost. I like the idea of Managers just being on 12mth contracts but obviously you wouldnt get many takers. I seem to remember Askey taking a short contract somewhere after he left us to prove himself. Not many like him though.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 14, 2024 12:35:47 GMT 1
Trouble is,we can't be that short of money......take a look at the backroom staff we've employed.....that hasnt come cheap.....and trying to get rid of them,even costlier.....Roland hope your pockets are deep.... we'll see what happens at the end of the January transfer window,if they fail to bring in players...they haven't done there jobs....and should be relieved of there duties...simple as🤷🤷
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 14, 2024 12:36:45 GMT 1
At the stage where my answer's probably "yeah, why not."
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 12:38:40 GMT 1
I know for a fact the Chairman would want him back 100% true. He wanted him back previously, but Caldwell got in the way (Caldwell's Mrs tweet, remember that?) I know they've spoken very recently, the wheels are in motion should they be required. does that mean you didn't know the rest of my statement was also 100% correct ?
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 14, 2024 13:25:59 GMT 1
Depends whether he wants to work with a DOF. Presumably he’s his own boss at Brackley. This is going to be the big thing if we ever want another coach. Are they prepared to have some bloke sitting in an office doing whatever he does dictating what, when and how they do things? I suppose it depends on the DoF If it the right person he may well benefit by having someone with experience to lean on But is who we have the right person?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 13:31:58 GMT 1
How many times had having a manager not worked ? Do we change to dof every time it doesn't Even if we are only 3 points from mid table more than half way into the season bizarre, we do cry a lot over nothing Historically, having a manager has very rarely worked if you look at sackings. I think the concern now is that a) the manager isn't working and b) the DoF has not (yet) shown much in the way of ability to recruit managers or players to help the manager. We could be in a good position, if there was a sign that results are coming and things are improving. I'm not sure if I've seen that. We could even be in a good position if we still have fixtures at home against say 8 of the bottom 12 (number randomly chosen) yet to be played (that is where I would see our wins coming). I'm not sure this is the case. To be clear, I'm not asking for MT or MM's head. My first post was of concern for our ability to change things in future and this post is of concern for our safety this season. Both of those may change to a call for one or both of their heads if recent form continues. sorry, how many points adrift of safety are we ?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 13:44:12 GMT 1
You are absolutely correct that we should have won today but therein lies the problem for the whole season. Poor tactics which leads us to being the lowest goal scorers in the whole EFL accompanied by second rate recruitment. your argument there is based on goal scorers or lack of them, and second rate recruitment etc have you even commented on O'BRIEN ? because I cant see one single mention of him from you that guy is probably STILL ON more than the rest of our forward line put together
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