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Post by theriverside on Jan 9, 2024 11:52:26 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 9, 2024 11:59:50 GMT 1
I guess he's got to be seen as actively seeking work or we could stop paying him
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 9, 2024 13:14:08 GMT 1
Good luck to the bloke. Maybe join up with BC somewhere?
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Post by suttonshrew on Jan 9, 2024 13:49:15 GMT 1
he speaks a lot of sense but hes just not a very likable person. His whole persona, with the media and fans and then turning 360 when he knew he was in trouble shows just how difficult he was. probably the most difficult manager ive ever had to deal with to get players involved
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Post by jamo on Jan 9, 2024 20:58:10 GMT 1
I wish he was still here giving post match interviews to the Shropshire Star instead of Sky
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jan 9, 2024 21:09:15 GMT 1
I wish he was still here giving post match interviews to the Shropshire Star instead of Sky I bloody don't!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 9, 2024 21:35:51 GMT 1
I wish he was still here giving post match interviews to the Shropshire Star instead of Sky thats not a bad idea, he doesnt even have to be here, Dunny could ring him at home at 5pm on a saturday and he could talk about a different game to the one we've just watched and convince us its great ;-)
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jan 9, 2024 21:44:24 GMT 1
convince us he's great ;-) corrected for you.
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Post by welshshrew on Jan 9, 2024 23:25:52 GMT 1
he speaks a lot of sense but hes just not a very likable person. His whole persona, with the media and fans and then turning 360 when he knew he was in trouble shows just how difficult he was. probably the most difficult manager ive ever had to deal with to get players involved If he turned 360 then surely he was back where he started?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 9, 2024 23:38:05 GMT 1
he speaks a lot of sense but hes just not a very likable person. His whole persona, with the media and fans and then turning 360 when he knew he was in trouble shows just how difficult he was. probably the most difficult manager ive ever had to deal with to get players involved If he turned 360 then surely he was back where he started? Or not even moved at all
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Post by rickyspanish on Jan 10, 2024 8:19:36 GMT 1
I wish he was still here giving post match interviews to the Shropshire Star instead of Sky If he was still here we wouldn't have a club to support. We'd have spent the last 6 months with buckets out on the street trying to form Shrewsbury FC.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2024 8:26:49 GMT 1
I wish he was still here giving post match interviews to the Shropshire Star instead of Sky If he was still here we wouldn't have a club to support. We'd have spent the last 6 months with buckets out on the street trying to form Shrewsbury FC. Are we conveniently forgetting there was a bloke above him, and one above him signing everything off? The fact RW indicates there were multiple meetings regarding the finances meant he knew, and that ultimately makes him responsible. I still think Faldwell was the main culprit myself.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 10, 2024 9:52:38 GMT 1
I guess he's got to be seen as actively seeking work or we could stop paying him Is this confirmation we’re paying up his contract? Seem to remember some debate as to whether this was the case?
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2024 9:53:59 GMT 1
I guess he's got to be seen as actively seeking work or we could stop paying him Is this confirmation we’re paying up his contract? Seem to remember some debate as to whether this was the case? Why wouldn't we be? We terminated his contract with a year to run.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 10, 2024 10:07:43 GMT 1
Is this confirmation we’re paying up his contract? Seem to remember some debate as to whether this was the case? Why wouldn't we be? We terminated his contract with a year to run. Cant be bothered to look back but I agree it was others who said we weren’t , can’t remember who …..
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Post by camdenshrew on Jan 10, 2024 10:13:13 GMT 1
The interviewer must have forgotten to ask him about Aiden O'Brien, probably the most expensive transfer flop inbour history.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2024 12:30:28 GMT 1
I guess he's got to be seen as actively seeking work or we could stop paying him Is this confirmation we’re paying up his contract? Seem to remember some debate as to whether this was the case? No idea to be honest, that debate can carry on I guess , but if nothing was sorted at the time or before then we will still be paying him until the contract ends or earlier if he finds work , if that's the case he will have to be actively looking for work , had we sacked him and not paid anything I think we might have heard him squeal by now unless he hasn't got a case to answer I do intend to find out if I get chance
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2024 12:33:48 GMT 1
If he was still here we wouldn't have a club to support. We'd have spent the last 6 months with buckets out on the street trying to form Shrewsbury FC. Are we conveniently forgetting there was a bloke above him, and one above him signing everything off? The fact RW indicates there were multiple meetings regarding the finances meant he knew, and that ultimately makes him responsible. I still think Faldwell was the main culprit myself. one day when you have kids there will become a time when you receive an invoice for something your kids have done that you knew nothing about, and you have to pay ( I mean they did check the box saying they had permission from the bill payer ) , hope you dont tell them off
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2024 12:50:07 GMT 1
Are we conveniently forgetting there was a bloke above him, and one above him signing everything off? The fact RW indicates there were multiple meetings regarding the finances meant he knew, and that ultimately makes him responsible. I still think Faldwell was the main culprit myself. When you receive an invoice for something your kids have done that you knew nothing about " despite regular financial meetings and warnings that spending is greatly exceeding income and budgets, it continues unabated."Does that not suggest he knew something, if there were repeat meetings and repeat warnings? How was it allowed to continue? I can understand the sympathy if he had no clue, but you can't have it all ways, it's one or the other: 1) RW knew, but did nothing - Makes me more angry 2) RW knew nothing - Full sympathy For me, it can't be number 2) based on the fact he chaired multiple financial meetings, and gave multiple warnings, surely?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2024 13:16:04 GMT 1
When you receive an invoice for something your kids have done that you knew nothing about " despite regular financial meetings and warnings that spending is greatly exceeding income and budgets, it continues unabated."Does that not suggest he knew something, if there were repeat meetings and repeat warnings? How was it allowed to continue? I can understand the sympathy if he had no clue, but you can't have it all ways, it's one or the other: 1) RW knew, but did nothing - Makes me more angry 2) RW knew nothing - Full sympathy For me, it can't be number 2) based on the fact he chaired multiple financial meetings, and gave multiple warnings, surely? I would suggest that there is a template in place for every purchase a football manager makes on and off the field , sounds to me like cotterill was using Tottenhams template and not Shrewsburys I know he deceived the chairman with players wages, lots of hidden bonus payments in the small print etc he brokered the Umbro deal , it ranks alongside the uk gov deal in buying facemasks from Turkey ;-) and one thing I do know is the chairman is still beating himself up about bringing the guy in at all, he brought in a guy that was a personal friend, one 99% of the fans thought was great, and a guy he thought he could trust and thus take the back seat many had been calling for I have full sympathy for the chairman and only disgust from the guy who the p**s from day one and only ever thought about himself I've also heard rumours I cant really write on here
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 10, 2024 15:31:29 GMT 1
Is this confirmation we’re paying up his contract? Seem to remember some debate as to whether this was the case? No idea to be honest, that debate can carry on I guess , but if nothing was sorted at the time or before then we will still be paying him until the contract ends or earlier if he finds work , if that's the case he will have to be actively looking for work , had we sacked him and not paid anything I think we might have heard him squeal by now unless he hasn't got a case to answer I do intend to find out if I get chance Don’t think that’s the case with employment law. We’d need to know if the club actually terminated his contract or if he’s on some sort of extended ‘garden leave’. Well wait for your ‘under cover’ work rather than guess 👍
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2024 15:44:37 GMT 1
No idea to be honest, that debate can carry on I guess , but if nothing was sorted at the time or before then we will still be paying him until the contract ends or earlier if he finds work , if that's the case he will have to be actively looking for work , had we sacked him and not paid anything I think we might have heard him squeal by now unless he hasn't got a case to answer I do intend to find out if I get chance Don’t think that’s the case with employment law. We’d need to know if the club actually terminated his contract or if he’s on some sort of extended ‘garden leave’. Well wait for your ‘under cover’ work rather than guess 👍 if a club want to get rid of a manager and cannot prove any terms of his contract have been broken then they have to honour the contract and continue to pay it or come to an agreement, the days of paying it up in full have long gone, it will contain all sorts of clauses these days, its probably cost us a lot of money hence the current new set up
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 10, 2024 15:47:31 GMT 1
Don’t think that’s the case with employment law. We’d need to know if the club actually terminated his contract or if he’s on some sort of extended ‘garden leave’. Well wait for your ‘under cover’ work rather than guess 👍 if a club want to get rid of a manager and cannot prove any terms of his contract have been broken then they have to honour the contract and continue to pay it or come to an agreement, the days of paying it up in full have long gone, it will contain all sorts of clauses these days, its probably cost us a lot of money hence the current new set up I don't have too much confidence in our contracts: 1) Because of who writes them up and the previous issues with contracts. 2) Askey had no break clause, nor his staff, that cost far, far more than our record transfer ever cost us. Hopefully things have moved forward, but I'm not confident.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 10, 2024 15:51:48 GMT 1
Don’t think that’s the case with employment law. We’d need to know if the club actually terminated his contract or if he’s on some sort of extended ‘garden leave’. Well wait for your ‘under cover’ work rather than guess 👍 if a club want to get rid of a manager and cannot prove any terms of his contract have been broken then they have to honour the contract and continue to pay it or come to an agreement, the days of paying it up in full have long gone, it will contain all sorts of clauses these days, its probably cost us a lot of money hence the current new set up As I said all guesswork, be interested when we know the truth. The Sky interview says he walked away mind “He arrived in November 2020 with the club one place and one point off the bottom. After keeping the club in League One, he walked away in the summer following a top-half finish, their second-best in 33 years.”
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Post by Pilch on Jan 10, 2024 16:08:19 GMT 1
if a club want to get rid of a manager and cannot prove any terms of his contract have been broken then they have to honour the contract and continue to pay it or come to an agreement, the days of paying it up in full have long gone, it will contain all sorts of clauses these days, its probably cost us a lot of money hence the current new set up As I said all guesswork, be interested when we know the truth. The Sky interview says he walked away mind “He arrived in November 2020 with the club one place and one point off the bottom. After keeping the club in League One, he walked away in the summer following a top-half finish, their second-best in 33 years.”
I would love to think he did actually walk away as that would mean just one thing
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 10, 2024 16:12:37 GMT 1
As I said all guesswork, be interested when we know the truth. The Sky interview says he walked away mind “He arrived in November 2020 with the club one place and one point off the bottom. After keeping the club in League One, he walked away in the summer following a top-half finish, their second-best in 33 years.”
I would love to think he did actually walk away as that would mean just one thing That he would be in breach of his contract and so we don't have to pay him anything?
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Post by abcdef on Jan 10, 2024 17:42:33 GMT 1
Footballing Dinosaur. No one would touch him with a barge pole.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 10, 2024 17:51:43 GMT 1
Footballing Dinosaur. No one would touch him with a barge pole. Ironic for somebody with a birthday showing as 1900 to call somebody else a dinosaur I’d have Steve back in a heartbeat providing it was football matters only, and no free rein to sign kit deals or anything else, as is rumoured (not confirmed). Incredibly articulate football manager with a wealth of knowledge and experience
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 10, 2024 18:07:33 GMT 1
Time to move on I think.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 10, 2024 18:09:28 GMT 1
Cotterill is likely in credit given 5 promotions and a 40% win record over 900 games, (that's quite some achievement particularly given that at a lot of clubs he's been there when they have been in administration.
Interesting how he talks about selling players for profit and then reinvesting it, he's smart and a proper English style Manager.
I wonder how much was got for Leahy and for someone like Ogbeta, I know Steve was pretty pleased with the later.
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