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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2024 20:19:49 GMT 1
I thought Kenneh was class, was into them constantly. We created a lot of chances but we'd still be ****ing about now trying to score, woeful finishing. Kenneh has been superb at breaking the play up all season is. Problem is he’s clueless once he gets it, and inevitably ends up gifting it straight back to the opposition most times It’s been happening all season I kind of agree , he would make a great sweeper 👍
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 7, 2024 20:22:43 GMT 1
Chey is a big man for many reasons.
Many have speculated that our players would take the Yankee Dollar but so far none has (Although could you say Barnett has). Pennington and Leahy moved away to established League One sides.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 7, 2024 21:28:42 GMT 1
I am not the current set ups biggest fan but I thought the players put in a good shift today The teams looked reasonably similar in quality and they got the break for their goal we didn't though Benning deserved one for a fine effort The old adage that goals win games was never more true and we do not score anywhere near enough. We need forwards in the building very soon ! Thank goodness for this post. At least it is much more sensible than the frankly awful OP. There was very little between the 2 teams today. Wrexham wouldnt have scored against our defence except for an awful deflection. And we (like many games this season) still wouldnt have scored if we played till midnight. Quite obvious where all our problems are in just 90 mins.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 7, 2024 21:30:28 GMT 1
Kennah is still a young guy, I agree from what I see, he shields and breaks up the play but then when he goes over the half way line doesn't seem to know what to do next.
Surely the next part is what is coached into the player? -like Cotterill did with someone like Udoh and to an extent Pyke.
The thing is Kennah is a loan signing and I'm not sure there is the time for it.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 7, 2024 21:32:34 GMT 1
Yep all true......so I'm hoping in transfer window.....we bring in what's needed,and if coaching staff don't see it....... we're in deep trouble 👍👍
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Post by daveshrew on Jan 7, 2024 22:35:10 GMT 1
Thought there were some great shifts from Kennah, Shipley, Sobowale, Dunkley, Perry and Bowman in the first half. I didn't think we looked negative.
I've not been particularly impressed or excited by much this season and consider ourselves quite lucky to be on 30 points in the league, but today has given me a bit of hope for the rest of the season. Wrexham have been in the habit of winning matches for some time and that was probably the difference today.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2024 22:38:45 GMT 1
I am not the current set ups biggest fan but I thought the players put in a good shift today The teams looked reasonably similar in quality and they got the break for their goal we didn't though Benning deserved one for a fine effort The old adage that goals win games was never more true and we do not score anywhere near enough. We need forwards in the building very soon ! Yeah, it was a typically scruffy local derby with very little good quality from either team. Given the money they've spent I expected more from Wrexham but a decent side would have beaten either team by 2 or 3. Yes we need a good forward or two but that's only part of it. It wasn't forwards missing the chances today. New forwards won't have much effect if the team gives up possession as easily as we do. I hate our 3 centre back formation. Apart from anything else it means the centre backs are asked to begin the play far too often and, when the distribution is as bad as Anderson's and, today particularly, Feeney's, then we're always going to struggle. Taylor thought Feeney played well today - staggering. Why do we need a back 5 against League 1 or 2 opponents playing with 1 or 2 strikers? It will never make sense to me. Anyone can see we're struggling to get any control of games but Moore/Taylor insist on leaving us short in midfield. And then we wonder why we're unable to keep the ball, build pressure and create more chances. Just the rest of the league season to grind through then. Looking forward to May.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2024 23:01:04 GMT 1
Kenneh & Perry eh
what do I know
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 7, 2024 23:16:50 GMT 1
Kenneh & Perry eh what do I know From memory you were called out for basically watching them in one game and deciding they’re s**te. Which is a ludicrous way of judging any player. Obviously the truth of the matter is that they’ve both impacted some games well for us this season, not enough though and both players have severe weaknesses, would we prefer to have better players than them yes of course but until the end of the season we need to keep seeing the positive side of them rather than the negative.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 7, 2024 23:25:43 GMT 1
Kenneh & Perry eh what do I know From memory you were called out for basically watching them in one game and deciding they’re s**te. Which is a ludicrous way of judging any player. Obviously the truth of the matter is that they’ve both impacted some games well for us this season, not enough though and both players have severe weaknesses, would we prefer to have better players than them yes of course but until the end of the season we need to keep seeing the positive side of them rather than the negative. it might well be ludicrous , on the other hand I might have been correct
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Post by venceremos on Jan 7, 2024 23:28:18 GMT 1
Kenneh has been superb at breaking the play up all season is. Problem is he’s clueless once he gets it, and inevitably ends up gifting it straight back to the opposition most times It’s been happening all season I kind of agree , he would make a great sweeper 👍 Would be very happy to see that tried if it meant one of the centre backs was left out and Kenneh played in front of Dunkley and one other.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 7, 2024 23:52:58 GMT 1
Of course we missed chances when Mullin, Fletcher and Lee were offered virtually nothing. In the end the game hinged on the luck of deflections. Dunkley's shot which was deflected narrowly wide in the early stages and the shot that went in off him for their winner. Fine margins eh!
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jan 8, 2024 0:41:25 GMT 1
We have to stick with the current set-up to give it a fighting chance to keep us in this league - changing now would cause a lot more disruption and probably do more harm than good. That said I can sympathise with some of the criticism - notably that MM has so far not provided enough new players of the required standard and MT needs to display more variety of tactics and to get the players we have to be better in possession. On another day one or more of our attempts on goal would have gone in and this thread would probably not exist. My opinion is that we need to bring in two strikers in this transfer window - both similar to Saydee in that they can put in a real shift and battle for the ball and get us some possession higher up the pitch, Bowman has been a decent player for us but our current style of play does not cater to his strengths and it may well be a season too far for him anyway at this level. I am sorry to say that Mata looks to be Kris Bright mark 2 and usually makes little impact on a game. The Stevenage game is another massive one for us - I was at the away game and we were second best throughout and we will need to play really well to get something out of it.
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Post by onthepitch on Jan 8, 2024 0:47:09 GMT 1
If we were the League 2 side I could take pride from that performance, but that's not the case.
Sure they battled and put in a shift again, can't deny that. That's the saddest part for me.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 8, 2024 1:49:03 GMT 1
Nobody deserves any credit. Pathetic performance against a League Two team in a derby game. I’ll also be taking some time off from watching Salop. Depressing team with a depressing style of play. That's Bs. We had all the chances. Watch match of the day
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 8, 2024 1:50:06 GMT 1
Everything will work when we have a striker who can hold the ball up
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2024 4:00:30 GMT 1
Nobody deserves any credit. Pathetic performance against a League Two team in a derby game. I’ll also be taking some time off from watching Salop. Depressing team with a depressing style of play. That's Bs. We had all the chances. Watch match of the day Dave , some people start with the result and build a case around it , what actually happened doesn't matter
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Post by Beefy on Jan 8, 2024 8:48:02 GMT 1
Nobody deserves any credit. Pathetic performance against a League Two team in a derby game. I’ll also be taking some time off from watching Salop. Depressing team with a depressing style of play. That's Bs. We had all the chances. Watch match of the day The only Wrexham attack they showed was the goal as opposed to 6 or 7 clear Shrewsbury chances
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2024 9:30:38 GMT 1
I'm about as critical as you can get about the club, but I thought the performance yesterday for 55 minutes was decent, we just had to put a chance away. We had a lot more of the ball on the deck than usual, getting down the sides.
There's a player in Sobawale, he's unpolished, but there's a player there and he commits people. I thought the new chap showed some flashes of what he can do when he came on as well.
Our finishing was criminal, but to say none of them deserve credit and the whole club is ****ed after that is too much.
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 8, 2024 9:33:01 GMT 1
Nobody deserves any credit. Pathetic performance against a League Two team in a derby game. I’ll also be taking some time off from watching Salop. Depressing team with a depressing style of play. That's Bs. We had all the chances. Watch match of the day Yeah, fair play, probably a bit of an overreaction from me. This team just frustrates me, and I really didn’t want to lose yesterday.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 8, 2024 10:01:21 GMT 1
Most games this season we've created F all and obviously not scored
Yesterday we created atleast 3 golden chances and about 3 decent chances, and still couldn't score
Massively, massively frustrating
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 8, 2024 10:09:35 GMT 1
Another observation - the life got sucked out of the crowd the second we went 1-0 down - you could've heard a pin drop at times in the final 25 minutes. I know I was deflated for sure
That's because we know this team lacks the fight, quality and execution to get back in to games this season - I can only think of Reading all season where we've gone behind and got anything from a game?
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Post by camdenshrew on Jan 8, 2024 10:16:47 GMT 1
I am not the current set ups biggest fan but I thought the players put in a good shift today The teams looked reasonably similar in quality and they got the break for their goal we didn't though Benning deserved one for a fine effort The old adage that goals win games was never more true and we do not score anywhere near enough. We need forwards in the building very soon ! Yeah, it was a typically scruffy local derby with very little good quality from either team. Given the money they've spent I expected more from Wrexham but a decent side would have beaten either team by 2 or 3. Yes we need a good forward or two but that's only part of it. It wasn't forwards missing the chances today. New forwards won't have much effect if the team gives up possession as easily as we do. I hate our 3 centre back formation. Apart from anything else it means the centre backs are asked to begin the play far too often and, when the distribution is as bad as Anderson's and, today particularly, Feeney's, then we're always going to struggle. Taylor thought Feeney played well today - staggering. Why do we need a back 5 against League 1 or 2 opponents playing with 1 or 2 strikers? It will never make sense to me. Anyone can see we're struggling to get any control of games but Moore/Taylor insist on leaving us short in midfield. And then we wonder why we're unable to keep the ball, build pressure and create more chances. Just the rest of the league season to grind through then. Looking forward to May. Yes, I agree with this. Probably Sraha is the most comfortable on the ball but neither Feeney, Anderson or Dunkley for that matter are brilliant when it comes to distribution and too often revert to hitting it long.
The system is further impeded when you play it without proper wingbacks, even though Bennett and Benning both manfully do their best. Benning seems to be getting with every game but I think he's more a full back who can get forward, than an out-and-out wingback.
You're also right about the way we turn over possession so easily. We desperately need more players who are comfortable on the ball, can control it in a tight space and pick a pass.
Overall, we have too many players who aren't suited to the system - Bowman being another obvious example. He doesn't hold up the ball, lacks pace and rarely wins his headers. Apart from that.....
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 8, 2024 11:31:33 GMT 1
Hang on all.
They were not impressive. They got found out playing from the back and their strikers were ineffective against our defence.
It's on us as to why we didn't win. Short of Dan Udoh (who would have put at least 2 of those chances in) and a bit of luck on our side, we'd have won that. They didn't run the midfield at all. One deflection was the difference and that was it. They seemed more interested in falling over and winding up our fanbase. Did you see Mullin lose his head with his own midfield as he was out played.
Score that goal first half, from either two chances and it's a totally different game.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jan 8, 2024 12:16:41 GMT 1
I am not the current set ups biggest fan but I thought the players put in a good shift today The teams looked reasonably similar in quality and they got the break for their goal we didn't though Benning deserved one for a fine effort The old adage that goals win games was never more true and we do not score anywhere near enough. We need forwards in the building very soon ! I do feel like i watched a different match to some. Similarly i am no fan of Taylor and don't think he's done a good job, but whilst i'm not sure town 'dominated' in the way that Taylor described, i think for at least the first 30-40 mins they were on top, created some chances and on another day would have gone into half time 2-0 up. Second half was a disappointment, and clearly the game plan was to get out of the blocks early and get a goal, and when that didn't happen they faded. But at least there was a plan, and they made some chances (town's xg was much higher than Wrexham's). Wrexham are 3rd in League 2, and have only lost 4 matches this season. I expected them to be much better, and the fact that they weren't was because of town. Yes, they lost and it was against a local side in the league below, definitely a bad result. But just don't think the reaction to this game feels equitable to the game. Compared to a lot of games this season, there was actually some positives!
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 8, 2024 12:21:07 GMT 1
Hang on all. They were not impressive. They got found out playing from the back and their strikers were ineffective against our defence. It's on us as to why we didn't win. Short of Dan Udoh (who would have put at least 2 of those chances in) and a bit of luck on our side, we'd have won that. They didn't run the midfield at all. One deflection was the difference and that was it. They seemed more interested in falling over and winding up our fanbase. Did you see Mullin lose his head with his own midfield as he was out played. Score that goal first half, from either two chances and it's a totally different game. Totally agree - it's frustrating that we should've won with the chances we had, and that's whilst playing like s**t in my opinion from 65 mins onwards If I learnt anything yesterday it's to respect the step up from League 1 to League 2
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 8, 2024 12:24:04 GMT 1
People are questioning why we are playing with 3 centre back in what is basically a back 5, which does indeed leave us woefully short in midfield. For those with time on their hands, the answer can be found in the interviews the club released when MT was appointed. MM who was in charge of appointing the new Head Coach said that MT would be in charge of coaching the players and picking the team but the system we played would not change from the 3 centre backs mode that was employed under Cotterill and all new signing would be made with that in mind. So there we have it - the “manager’s” hands are tied That being so, the next question would seem to be, was the decision to go down the Director of Football route the right one? Which leads on the a further poser, if MT was sacked would any established manager be remotely interested in taking the job under such a regime?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2024 13:00:59 GMT 1
Another observation - the life got sucked out of the crowd the second we went 1-0 down - you could've heard a pin drop at times in the final 25 minutes. I know I was deflated for sure That's because we know this team lacks the fight, quality and execution to get back in to games this season - I can only think of Reading all season where we've gone behind and got anything from a game? before the goal, wrexham fans went through their library of pro wrexham songs , welsh ones etc, only when they scored did they start mocking town fans, seeing as a certain area of town singers were only there to see wrexham they totally forgot town were playing , and once wrexham scored the anti wrexham stuff we'd heard all game suddenly stopped as it would have looked even sillier, so yes the life did get sucked out, and thats why
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2024 13:06:50 GMT 1
For me, the town went quiet but the square root of nobody had confidence in us getting back into the game.
Block 18 & 19 were quality yesterday, the stand was physically moving. Some great songs, a couple of new ones coupled with old classics made for an unbelievable atmosphere.
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Post by armchairfan on Jan 8, 2024 13:17:46 GMT 1
We missed loads of chances and they put one of their only two away thanks to a fortunate ricochet. There are many (most of this season) performances I can point to as being bad, boring or inept but that isn’t true of today. We really did have opportunities today and also spent a lot of the game on top. If Sobowale is a ‘headless chicken’ I’d like to see more of it, it’s a relief to have someone unpredictable and attacking after all of the turgid crap of this season and the 2-3 that precede it. Taylor’s in game management was absolutely shocking but overall his team played well and Wrexham did us in the same way we went to Wycombe, did absolutely sod all and won. I think Derby day is getting to people and this is coming from someone who has moaned & moaned & moaned about our style of play even when we win. I’m encouraged. Upset but encouraged. COYB. I do agree with your comment about Sobowale; from memory, a certain Alan Groves had a similar reputation, but he definitely got fans out of their seats and frightened defenders to death....
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