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Post by wakemanender on Dec 30, 2023 9:20:42 GMT 1
My prediction would be one departure to Stoke City this week. Having said that a recent change of Manager may put that on hold.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Dec 30, 2023 10:40:11 GMT 1
In his post match interview, Taylor was talking about the need for reinforcements in January. A manager talking about the need to bring in players in January, we've heard that before........ He's being clever here, with recruitment out of his hands, he's very much putting Moore (and Roland) under pressure to deliver the players, if it doesn't happen then some of the fans frustration will be moved towards them two. That media training has come in very handy here. Although if he thinks its just about bringing in strikers, then I'm not convinced January will see the big change many of us want I noticed he mentioned the new boy from Ireland would be available for the Wrexham game, but didn't mention Fleetwood on Monday (1st jan), anyone know why that is?
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 10:40:51 GMT 1
On the loanees, according to the stats on the website, Thorpe (now gone), Finnigan, Phillips and Fleming have played a total of 753 minutes in the league, out of a possible total of 7,290 minutes. Most clubs at our level rely on loanees, and to have so few minutes played by these 4 is a big loss and waste of resources. Given we knew at least Phillips and Fleming were returning from injury, hopefully there were clauses in the deals to be able to return them, or we are contributing only a small percentage of their wages. You are making the assumption that we've had the foresight to have inserted such clauses. Our track record in this area hasn't been of the best. Jake Robinson and Joe Hart come to mind.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Dec 30, 2023 12:37:04 GMT 1
In his post match interview, Taylor was talking about the need for reinforcements in January. A manager talking about the need to bring in players in January, we've heard that before........ He's being clever here, with recruitment out of his hands, he's very much putting Moore (and Roland) under pressure to deliver the players, if it doesn't happen then some of the fans frustration will be moved towards them two. That media training has come in very handy here. Although if he thinks its just about bringing in strikers, then I'm not convinced January will see the big change many of us want I noticed he mentioned the new boy from Ireland would be available for the Wrexham game, but didn't mention Fleetwood on Monday (1st jan), anyone know why that is? Don't think the registration window opens until the first working day, which would be the 2nd
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 30, 2023 12:59:08 GMT 1
Get Roland in straight away,get bloxham back,just to take numbers up.....I mean he's only scored once for Morecambe,so he ain't gonna be scoring any for us in league 1....and hopefully at least 2 others in sometime next week......bet Mickey mouse is onto it already.....isn't he???🤔🤔🤔🤦🤦
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 30, 2023 13:00:18 GMT 1
Chris Conn-Clarke been mentioned today. Midfielder from Altrincham. Conn-Clarke has been scoring worldies for Alty and would be an interesting signing, 23 goals in 40 appearances, not bad from midfield.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 30, 2023 13:49:44 GMT 1
Chris Conn-Clarke been mentioned today. Midfielder from Altrincham. Conn-Clarke has been scoring worldies for Alty and would be an interesting signing, 23 goals in 40 appearances, not bad from midfield. Probably out of our budget already with that scoring record. We wouldnt take a punt on him but the likes of Peterborough would. Wont be just us looking for a goalscorer.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 30, 2023 13:51:57 GMT 1
Conn-Clarke has been scoring worldies for Alty and would be an interesting signing, 23 goals in 40 appearances, not bad from midfield. Probably out of our budget already with that scoring record. We wouldnt take a punt on him but the likes of Peterborough would. Wont be just is looking for a goalscorer. m Yeah can’t see that one happening, sort of signing we are probably looking at, but don’t be able to finance . His form would suggest £100k plus
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 30, 2023 14:23:25 GMT 1
I'm sure Dan, Max & Ryan will be thrilled with these comments from Taylor:
"If we look at the area where we are not hitting the numbers we want to – that is up front. We need some strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net."
This quote alone shows he doesn't know where the problem lies.
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Post by secretshrew on Dec 30, 2023 14:45:08 GMT 1
Will be interesting to look back at this thread in 12 months time just to see how many of the current squad are still with us. I don't expect that many Basically everyone is gone in the summer apart from: Shipley Feeney Winchester Perry Mata Bloxham Potential one-year extensions (may not be in the clubs favour): Dunkley Sobowale Sraha Bayliss The players you list as potentially staying has the distinct look of a league 2 team about it.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 15:38:39 GMT 1
I noticed he mentioned the new boy from Ireland would be available for the Wrexham game, but didn't mention Fleetwood on Monday (1st jan), anyone know why that is? Don't think the registration window opens until the first working day, which would be the 2nd Yes, the stupidity of the blasted window. We can send completed registration documents in on 1st January but they will not be processed until the following day due to the Bank Holiday.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 30, 2023 15:50:28 GMT 1
Taylor on the futures of injured loanees Kieron Phillips, Ryan Finnigan and Brandon Fleming:
“We have had conversations. Ryan Finnigan is still back at Southampton. Kieron Phillips is at Huddersfield. Brandon Fleming has gone back to Hull.
It doesn’t look as if any of them will be fit imminently.
We are obviously in dialogue with the players and the football clubs".
So some sorting out to be done with the above first...
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 30, 2023 16:05:31 GMT 1
Concerning how Taylor never seems to acknowledge the awful football being served up. Just endless rhetoric around loan players and injuries. Why don’t we ever try to pass? I’m genuinely worried that he may not even see how poor it is.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Dec 30, 2023 16:12:21 GMT 1
Concerning how Taylor never seems to acknowledge the awful football being served up. Just endless rhetoric around loan players and injuries. Why don’t we ever try to pass? I’m genuinely worried that he may not even see how poor it is. One presumes it's just defensiveness and projection. But the outward blaming of players feels like it's only going one way and that's him not being at the club for very much longer
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 16:24:11 GMT 1
Concerning how Taylor never seems to acknowledge the awful football being served up. Just endless rhetoric around loan players and injuries. Why don’t we ever try to pass? I’m genuinely worried that he may not even see how poor it is. One presumes it's just defensiveness and projection. But the outward blaming of players feels like it's only going one way and that's him not being at the club for very much longer Clearly the pressure is getting to him along with his lack of experience in handling things like this. He’d be well within his rights to question why he’s getting all the abuse whilst players are getting away with murder, but nothing good can come from publicly calling out players.
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 30, 2023 16:53:00 GMT 1
Well whatever happens,I just hope someone at the club has the nous not to be fobbed off with loan players who are carrying injuries and whose number of games played is dictated by someone other than us.
I feel we were conned in the summer and it mustn’t be allowed to happen again.
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 30, 2023 16:57:52 GMT 1
Shocking loan signings for the last couple of seasons now.......compared to the Hurst season.......where nearly all the loan signings/free transfers paid off big time......and that my good friends is where the big difference is this season......do we do our due diligence properly?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 17:01:07 GMT 1
Shocking loan signings for the last couple of seasons now.......compared to the Hurst season.......where nearly all the loan signings/free transfers paid off big time......and that my good friends is where the big difference is this season......do we do our due diligence properly? The Hurst season was the gold standard for loan signings but would be unrealistic to expect that every year. Last seasons were perfectly serviceable, the likes of Moore, Phillips, Street and Saydee all playing their part. Go back a few further years and we’ve had the likes of Docherty and Tyrese Campbell with Ricketts, Chapman with Cotterill so it’s a myth to say our loans are always hopeless. The ones this season have been completely awful though, we may as well have not bothered.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 30, 2023 17:02:50 GMT 1
Well whatever happens,I just hope someone at the club has the nous not to be fobbed off with loan players who are carrying injuries and whose number of games played is dictated by someone other than us. I feel we were conned in the summer and it mustn’t be allowed to happen again. and players who take 6 weeks to get international clearance!
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 30, 2023 17:06:40 GMT 1
Shocking loan signings for the last couple of seasons now.......compared to the Hurst season.......where nearly all the loan signings/free transfers paid off big time......and that my good friends is where the big difference is this season......do we do our due diligence properly? The Hurst season was the gold standard for loan signings but would be unrealistic to expect that every year. Last seasons were perfectly serviceable, the likes of Moore, Phillips, Street and Saydee all playing their part. Go back a few further years and we’ve had the likes of Docherty and Tyrese Campbell with Ricketts, Chapman with Cotterill so it’s a myth to say our loans are always hopeless. The ones this season have been completely awful though, we may as well have not bothered. Tyrese Fornah the season before last was also a decent January signing.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 30, 2023 17:55:46 GMT 1
Shocking loan signings for the last couple of seasons now.......compared to the Hurst season.......where nearly all the loan signings/free transfers paid off big time......and that my good friends is where the big difference is this season......do we do our due diligence properly? The Hurst season was very good I agree, but there were exceptions even then. Max Lowe and Hendrie were just 2, just when we were looking for a boost in January this is the best we got.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 30, 2023 18:01:58 GMT 1
We need another forward, a midfielder who can create somthing and a midfielder to break up play All of which depends on are there funds available
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Post by mattmw on Dec 30, 2023 19:36:08 GMT 1
I do wonder how much of a difference the transfer window will make.
If the finances are as bad as suggested, it seems unlikey we'll be signing players on a fee who are in form and playing regularly for their teams, as I can't see the Chairman wanting to give out league one contracts when we might not be in the league next season, so we are more likely to pick up older players looking to get back to form or fitness, or younger loan players from higher leagues looking for a bit of experience.
Its an unknown to me, but wonder how we are seen as a team Premier or Championship clubs would want to loan their younger players too. I wouldn't suggest our coaching is pulling up any trees this season in terms of player improvement, and a mid table/relegation fight in a team lacking form is probably not a great learning environment for a young player.
I could see us maybe looking to get in an older target man in the style of Lenell John-Lewis or Leo Fortune West, not so much for the goals but to give the forwards someone to play off and hold the ball up and provide something different to what we have. If we are going to go route one, at least get a target man in to benefit from that style of play.
It would be great to see us try and play better passing football, but think thats very tough half way through the season when we are struggling, so think getting players in who are better equipped for the more direct style of play we have been playing is the more realistic option
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Post by chameleon on Dec 30, 2023 20:05:59 GMT 1
An experienced striker. Someone like Chris Long of Crewe would probably suit us.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Dec 30, 2023 21:52:52 GMT 1
Shocking loan signings for the last couple of seasons now.......compared to the Hurst season.......where nearly all the loan signings/free transfers paid off big time......and that my good friends is where the big difference is this season......do we do our due diligence properly? The Hurst season was the gold standard for loan signings but would be unrealistic to expect that every year. Last seasons were perfectly serviceable, the likes of Moore, Phillips, Street and Saydee all playing their part. Go back a few further years and we’ve had the likes of Docherty and Tyrese Campbell with Ricketts, Chapman with Cotterill so it’s a myth to say our loans are always hopeless. The ones this season have been completely awful though, we may as well have not bothered. Think there is always an element of looking back with rose tinted glasses. Morris, Henderson and Godfrey were great but as you say that isnt realistic year on year. They are all premier league players now. But January signings that year more or less all failed. And as bad as this year has been, I think Kenneh has been one of towns best players, and Anderson isn't perfect but has certainly played a part. And the rest just haven't appeared!
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Dec 30, 2023 21:55:30 GMT 1
Well whatever happens,I just hope someone at the club has the nous not to be fobbed off with loan players who are carrying injuries and whose number of games played is dictated by someone other than us. I feel we were conned in the summer and it mustn’t be allowed to happen again. I think town the risk on Phillips. It was very clear he had injuries, and clearly they knew as they agreed to Huddersfield's agreement about limited time. The others have all had injuries, but most players have. Chris Skitt was here and is relatively well respected so are people saying it's his fault? It's the medical team that would highlight issues
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 30, 2023 22:00:14 GMT 1
Remember Alex Rodman too,on a free transfer.......best free transfer we've had for a good few years.....the lad was brilliant for us,and worked his socks off..... something this team doesn't do..... we're ****ed after 75 mins!!!
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 30, 2023 22:05:51 GMT 1
Well whatever happens,I just hope someone at the club has the nous not to be fobbed off with loan players who are carrying injuries and whose number of games played is dictated by someone other than us. I feel we were conned in the summer and it mustn’t be allowed to happen again. I think town the risk on Phillips. It was very clear he had injuries, and clearly they knew as they agreed to Huddersfield's agreement about limited time. The others have all had injuries, but most players have. Chris Skitt was here and is relatively well respected so are people saying it's his fault? It's the medical team that would highlight issues Then hopefully they’ve learned the lesson not to take risks. I don’t think I’ve mentioned anything about our medical team or our physio. My point is that we need to be more thorough at a much earlier stage. We just don’t have money to throw around becoming a rehabilitation centre and we certainly shouldn’t be allowing other clubs to dictate playing terms to us. We need lain players who can come in and gel with our team and play as many games as we need them to.
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 30, 2023 22:16:45 GMT 1
Hurst and co done there due diligence,they were very thorough.....I just hope Mickey mouse has done his....we need players in January that hit the ground running,if not we're doomed.in my opinion...... I'm very dubious 🤔🤔🤔🤦
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Post by vladimir on Dec 30, 2023 23:22:16 GMT 1
Personally think the loans have been poor to a man regardless of injuries.
When you consider Moore in recent years signed Callum Wright, Finn Azaz, Caleb Taylor and Aaran Ramsey on loan for Cheltenham, we have had (from those who've regularly featured) no one anyone near that standard.
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