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Post by martinshrew on Jan 19, 2024 14:05:42 GMT 1
Delves was the local connection to sell it to Roland with the Swedish group giving the money while the Delves gave the local connections. Brian leaving got the deal going again after the first offer failed due to STFC messing everyone around. Second offer was the 11m and 30m investment. This was turned down, don't know why. It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 14:07:51 GMT 1
If I was a potential buyer of a club I don't really know anything about , one thing I'd definitely do is look at what kind of customers (fans) they have
if they were taking in the atmosphere of the recent Reading win , they would surely be so confused you wouldn't see them for dust again
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 19, 2024 14:08:28 GMT 1
Delves was the local connection to sell it to Roland with the Swedish group giving the money while the Delves gave the local connections. Brian leaving got the deal going again after the first offer failed due to STFC messing everyone around. Second offer was the 11m and 30m investment. This was turned down, don't know why. It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I'd add to this that if RW can secure himself 8 figures, invite 8 figures of further investment and protect the ground, training ground and other assets I'll personally setup the go fund me and media campaign for his statue outside the ground.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 14:12:13 GMT 1
Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I'd add to this that if RW can secure himself 8 figures, invite 8 figures of further investment and protect the ground, training ground and other assets I'll personally setup the go fund me and media campaign for his statue outside the ground. I'd be happy if he could relocate us away from a crumbling ground and double the attendance Oh wait
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 19, 2024 14:15:50 GMT 1
This is all absolutely mental.
Surely time for Roland to do the right thing and sell up.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 19, 2024 14:23:20 GMT 1
I'd add to this that if RW can secure himself 8 figures, invite 8 figures of further investment and protect the ground, training ground and other assets I'll personally setup the go fund me and media campaign for his statue outside the ground. I'd be happy if he could relocate us away from a crumbling ground and double the attendance Oh wait You'd like to think over 10 years we'd do that as a matter of course!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 19, 2024 14:31:16 GMT 1
Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I know it's a big if but if that is true, the club has missed out on an opportunity to receive £30million of investment because Roland doesn't get a role in the new regime.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 19, 2024 14:37:30 GMT 1
Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I know it's a big if but if that is true, the club has missed out on an opportunity to receive £30million of investment because Roland doesn't get a role in the new regime. From what I understand, that's basically what the issue was. They talked about some sort of symbolic role and keeping the main stand name but Roland just isn't ready to walk. And that's probably why he's now got a mate to help him out just to keep the face before it all comes falling down.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 19, 2024 15:10:18 GMT 1
Delves was the local connection to sell it to Roland with the Swedish group giving the money while the Delves gave the local connections. Brian leaving got the deal going again after the first offer failed due to STFC messing everyone around. Second offer was the 11m and 30m investment. This was turned down, don't know why. It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I have heard this as well, might even be the same source? If true, surely we (the club) need a clean break. We all know the problem at Man U when Busby and to a lesser extent Fergie, hung around like shadows from a by-gone era, making life almost impossible for their successors.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Jan 19, 2024 15:17:33 GMT 1
Delves was the local connection to sell it to Roland with the Swedish group giving the money while the Delves gave the local connections. Brian leaving got the deal going again after the first offer failed due to STFC messing everyone around. Second offer was the 11m and 30m investment. This was turned down, don't know why. It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Don't think that first bit stacks, but this bit is interesting: It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Dead but with interest? Can you clarify what that means?
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 19, 2024 15:27:53 GMT 1
Delves was the local connection to sell it to Roland with the Swedish group giving the money while the Delves gave the local connections. Brian leaving got the deal going again after the first offer failed due to STFC messing everyone around. Second offer was the 11m and 30m investment. This was turned down, don't know why. It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Don't think that first bit stacks, but this bit is interesting: It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Dead but with interest? Can you clarify what that means? Which bit are you thinking isnt stacking. From what I've heard Delves/Swedes are still interested in us and would get the deal back on as the Delves are still keen on the Club, but Roland needs to decide if he can walk away and leave STFC alone.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 15:28:43 GMT 1
Despite my initial reservations of believing such figures, I've been reliably informed this is completely true. There's one sticking point, RW wants to stay involved and the buyers don't want him anywhere near it. I have heard this as well, might even be the same source? If true, surely we (the club) need a clean break. We all know the problem at Man U when Busby and to a lesser extent Fergie, hung around like shadows from a by-gone era, making life almost impossible for their successors. surely that relates to ex legend manager Graham turner if you are comparing to fergie I didn't see Martin Edwards ever being an issue sat at United watching them win everything year in year out
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 19, 2024 15:29:52 GMT 1
Taylor in his pre match interview time to big up the financial problems and the support being given by Roland and Duncan...
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Post by dibblydobbly on Jan 19, 2024 15:39:41 GMT 1
Don't think that first bit stacks, but this bit is interesting: It is all dead but there's still interest if Roland goes back and actually is serious about leaving. Dead but with interest? Can you clarify what that means? Which bit are you thinking isnt stacking. From what I've heard Delves/Swedes are still interested in us and would get the deal back on as the Delves are still keen on the Club, but Roland needs to decide if he can walk away and leave STFC alone. The problem all along was that Delves have not got the money, despite holding out that they did, water plant is not sold cash is not there.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 19, 2024 15:43:10 GMT 1
I'm certainly not going to say anyone's wrong in repeating the rumour that's doing the rounds.
But nothing short of written evidence or confirmation from either party will convince me that anyone made a serious offer to invest £40-45m in this club. Even by football standards that would be financially insane.
Talk is cheap.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 19, 2024 15:44:04 GMT 1
Which bit are you thinking isnt stacking. From what I've heard Delves/Swedes are still interested in us and would get the deal back on as the Delves are still keen on the Club, but Roland needs to decide if he can walk away and leave STFC alone. The problem all along was that Delves have not got the money, despite holding out that they did, water plant is not sold cash is not there. I see, no the Delves had the money for their part of the takeover.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 19, 2024 15:46:17 GMT 1
I'd be happy if he could relocate us away from a crumbling ground and double the attendance Oh wait You'd like to think over 10 years we'd do that as a matter of course! Really? How many clubs have done that?
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Post by venceremos on Jan 19, 2024 15:52:02 GMT 1
Why so? If your strategy is to manage your club prudently and sustainably and you do that for several years, that isn't negated by a relatively short period of overspending. It still achieved what it set out to do throughout those years. There's actually a stronger argument to say that overspending failed at the first hurdle and the prudent course was better. What exactly did that overspending bring - 12th place and boring football? Wave the tiny flags. If we ever do throw a bit more money around I hope it's better spent than that! We don’t and may never know the full extent and scale of the overspending, there’s no all sorts of rumours/leaks from excessive wages, huge kit orders, lavish hotel stays, team coach, and even alleged fraudulent activity that I wouldn’t dare go into. I guess my point is that if at the first sign of trouble we have to significantly regress ourself as a club, require emergency cash injections and look for new ownership, the stability must’ve been built on sand. If you run a business to break even and sustain that over a period, that's stability. If you then overspend significantly, there'll be instability. That doesn't negate the break even strategy - it achieved what was intended but it wasn't designed to generate funds for increased spending.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Jan 19, 2024 15:55:13 GMT 1
The problem all along was that Delves have not got the money, despite holding out that they did, water plant is not sold cash is not there. I see, no the Delves had the money for their part of the takeover. Nope, not enough cash - its why it got messy
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Post by dachshund on Jan 19, 2024 16:10:00 GMT 1
Taylor in his pre match interview time to big up the financial problems and the support being given by Roland and Duncan... Just remembered the original article contains this; “Since the meeting, the chairman has very reluctantly, only when asked, confirmed that unfortunately, it has become necessary for him personally to support the club financially at this moment in time.” Least self-aware man in England
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 19, 2024 16:11:58 GMT 1
I can absolutely believe that Roland is an awkward person to do a deal with and the idea that the club are missing out on millions because he is putting his ego first does not surprise me. However, it doesn't stack up, the bit I'm struggling to believe is Roland turning down £11 million and then having to spend money himself to keep the club afloat. If that is true then I'd underestimated his levels of stubbornness
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Post by lancsman on Jan 19, 2024 16:20:51 GMT 1
…..and his intelligence.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 19, 2024 16:53:01 GMT 1
I can absolutely believe that Roland is an awkward person to do a deal with and the idea that the club are missing out on millions because he is putting his ego first does not surprise me. However, it doesn't stack up, the bit I'm struggling to believe is Roland turning down £11 million and then having to spend money himself to keep the club afloat. If that is true then I'd underestimated his levels of stubbornness Best put it into just another rumour draw. With all the rumours stacking up like £11.5 million plus £30 million, Ultra rich Scandinavians, Greenhous or Roy Delves or Mike Harris and his consortium or my mate wanted to invest £250k there may be a glimmer of truth BUT all come from someone with an axe to grind or at least only tell one side of the storey. No doubt if we knew all the facts it would be a different storey.
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Post by vladimir on Jan 19, 2024 17:00:10 GMT 1
I can absolutely believe that Roland is an awkward person to do a deal with and the idea that the club are missing out on millions because he is putting his ego first does not surprise me. However, it doesn't stack up, the bit I'm struggling to believe is Roland turning down £11 million and then having to spend money himself to keep the club afloat. If that is true then I'd underestimated his levels of stubbornness Best put it into just another rumour draw. With all the rumours stacking up like £11.5 million plus £30 million, Ultra rich Scandinavians, Greenhous or Roy Delves or Mike Harris and his consortium or my mate wanted to invest £250k there may be a glimmer of truth BUT all come from someone with an axe to grind or at least only tell one side of the storey. No doubt if we knew all the facts it would be a different storey. I mean he could come out and put some of these rumours to bed but that would involve posting more than one website article a decade.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jan 19, 2024 18:16:52 GMT 1
Consortium of foreign individuals who would make decision making impossible in a transfer window, layers upon layers. And if it is a plaything, who is to say they would not lose interest/build on the site. A foreign consortium is always going to cause a debate amongst our fans as we've seen it cause problems elsewhere and it's a brand new concept for us. Some won't like it, personally I'd be all for it. We've had years of playing it safe, plodding along and going nowhere. That's why fans are bored. If it ends up like Reading then so be it, I'd prefer to take the chance that we might end up doing something. Paul Delves owns 10 £2.50 shares - the minimum required to be a Director of the Club under its rules . If the next share holder list shows he no longer holds these I would be worried as in my view that could mean a big fall out happened .
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jan 19, 2024 18:59:07 GMT 1
You'd like to think over 10 years we'd do that as a matter of course! Really? How many clubs have done that? I mean, you say double, you mean 3,000 extra fans in ten years. In a town that's getting bigger and more houses around the ground as well.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 19:24:19 GMT 1
A foreign consortium is always going to cause a debate amongst our fans as we've seen it cause problems elsewhere and it's a brand new concept for us. Some won't like it, personally I'd be all for it. We've had years of playing it safe, plodding along and going nowhere. That's why fans are bored. If it ends up like Reading then so be it, I'd prefer to take the chance that we might end up doing something. Paul Delves owns 10 £2.50 shares - the minimum required to be a Director of the Club under its rules . If the next share holder list shows he no longer holds these I would be worried as in my view that could mean a big fall out happened . maybe he needs the £25 to top up his cashflow ;-)
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 19, 2024 19:46:18 GMT 1
Really? How many clubs have done that? I mean, you say double, you mean 3,000 extra fans in ten years. In a town that's getting bigger and more houses around the ground as well. Also, stats can be manipulated in many ways - even if to peddle miss-truths Our first game back in the football league almost 20 years ago saw a crowd of 4,900 Last Saturday we apparently had a home crowd of 5,200 (the true figure was far lower) It doesn’t take a genius to calculate that is not double… Average attendance in 04/05 season was 4,300. This year so far it’s 6,200 - this year will have far higher away followings too I reckon we’ve added 1,000 fans in 20 years. I wonder how much the population has gone up in that period…
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 20:07:38 GMT 1
I mean, you say double, you mean 3,000 extra fans in ten years. In a town that's getting bigger and more houses around the ground as well. Also, stats can be manipulated in many ways - even if to peddle miss-truths Our first game back in the football league almost 20 years ago saw a crowd of 4,900 Last Saturday we apparently had a home crowd of 5,200 (the true figure was far lower) It doesn’t take a genius to calculate that is not double… Average attendance in 04/05 season was 4,300. This year so far it’s 6,200 - this year will have far higher away followings too I reckon we’ve added 1,000 fans in 20 years. I wonder how much the population has gone up in that period… here are some telling stats, average attendance per year, and how it ranks in the 92 in 1998 , we averaged 2403, 85th ranked out of 92 we've been 6000+ for 6 seasons running now and ranking in the low 60s which is about where we are in the table 2023 6.430 68 2022 6.216 63 2021 covid ( ignore this season ) 2020 6.059 63 2019 6.451 62 2018 6.249 61 2017 5.507 64 2016 5.407 63 2015 5.343 63 2014 5.581 63 2013 5.736 61 2012 5.770 60 2011 5.876 59 2010 5.482 65 2009 5.664 61 2008 5.659 61 2007 4.730 76 2006 3.997 81 2005 4.251 78 2004 4.007 CONF 2003 3.656 83 2002 3.837 77 2001 2.898 87 2000 2.832 85 1999 2.575 88 1998 2.403 85
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 19, 2024 20:48:06 GMT 1
I have heard this as well, might even be the same source? If true, surely we (the club) need a clean break. We all know the problem at Man U when Busby and to a lesser extent Fergie, hung around like shadows from a by-gone era, making life almost impossible for their successors. surely that relates to ex legend manager Graham turner if you are comparing to fergie I didn't see Martin Edwards ever being an issue sat at United watching them win everything year in year out Arguing for the sake of it. Turner is an infrequent visitor to our stadium and only offers opinions on STFC when asked and they are positive. I cannot imagine RW staying away or melting into the background without comment on the daily workings of the club.
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