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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 18, 2024 14:42:56 GMT 1
If we are in such s**t financial state why have we not sold an asset yet? because we are paying them championship wages and only league one or 2 sides want them , hey marko , come and sign for us , we'll give you less than half of what you are on If things were that bad and we were desperate enough, we would still do everything we can to get them off the wage bill. But we haven't. None of the high earners have been put up for sale, we offered Pennington a new contract to stay, we offered Leahy a new contract to get him to stay. If we could convince a club to pay 75% of O'Brien's wages then I'm sure there would be clubs out there willing to pay a significant proportion towards Dunkley, Bayliss, Shipley & Marosi.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jan 18, 2024 15:31:54 GMT 1
If we are in such s**t financial state why have we not sold an asset yet? because we are paying them championship wages and only league one or 2 sides want them , hey marko , come and sign for us , we'll give you less than half of what you are on let's take obrien , might be our top earner , we are paying at least 25% of his wages , confirmed last night , I asked Also confirmed some of our players are on 3 times the wages of team mates , agreed it's not good but declined to say if it caused a problem as he didn't know , I think that's a polite answer to avoid opening a can of worms but this is the legacy we've been left with and won't change until next season On the O'Brien thing, I thought the fact that we're paying around 25% of his wages was an interesting one - it's 25% more than we'd be paying in an ideal world of course, but if a club like Sutton who I'd imagine will have one of the smaller budgets in the league below us have taken on around 75% of his wages, it feels like his wages maybe aren't extravagantly high. I'm sure he's on a decent wedge still and it doesn't change that he's been a turkey of a signing, but it makes me think maybe he's not one of our top earners, especially if some of the other figures that have been knocking around for other players are true,
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 18, 2024 15:36:36 GMT 1
because we are paying them championship wages and only league one or 2 sides want them , hey marko , come and sign for us , we'll give you less than half of what you are on let's take obrien , might be our top earner , we are paying at least 25% of his wages , confirmed last night , I asked Also confirmed some of our players are on 3 times the wages of team mates , agreed it's not good but declined to say if it caused a problem as he didn't know , I think that's a polite answer to avoid opening a can of worms but this is the legacy we've been left with and won't change until next season On the O'Brien thing, I thought the fact that we're paying around 25% of his wages was an interesting one - it's 25% more than we'd be paying in an ideal world of course, but if a club like Sutton who I'd imagine will have one of the smaller budgets in the league below us have taken on around 75% of his wages, it feels like his wages maybe aren't extravagantly high. I'm sure he's on a decent wedge still and it doesn't change that he's been a turkey of a signing, but it makes me think maybe he's not one of our top earners, especially if some of the other figures that have been knocking around for other players are true, I was wondering this, I can't see him being on £4,000 simply because I can't believe Sutton would be contributing £3,000 of it. Maybe we're wrong and Sutton are minted?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 18, 2024 15:40:27 GMT 1
Having to keep paying 25% of O’Briens wage, whilst being 25% more than we’d want to be paying hardly seems like it’ll be the millstone round our neck it’s been implied in the past.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 15:50:18 GMT 1
because we are paying them championship wages and only league one or 2 sides want them , hey marko , come and sign for us , we'll give you less than half of what you are on let's take obrien , might be our top earner , we are paying at least 25% of his wages , confirmed last night , I asked Also confirmed some of our players are on 3 times the wages of team mates , agreed it's not good but declined to say if it caused a problem as he didn't know , I think that's a polite answer to avoid opening a can of worms but this is the legacy we've been left with and won't change until next season On the O'Brien thing, I thought the fact that we're paying around 25% of his wages was an interesting one - it's 25% more than we'd be paying in an ideal world of course, but if a club like Sutton who I'd imagine will have one of the smaller budgets in the league below us have taken on around 75% of his wages, it feels like his wages maybe aren't extravagantly high. I'm sure he's on a decent wedge still and it doesn't change that he's been a turkey of a signing, but it makes me think maybe he's not one of our top earners, especially if some of the other figures that have been knocking around for other players are true, The trouble is , although someone said he has no effect on this seasons squad he clearly does ,as daft as it sounds the money we are having to pay him each week could have been a big upgrade on one of the other signings , or even the difference in the likes of James Collins coming , someone suggested deal almost done , that extra might have seen pen to paper , I dread to think how much we've wasted on that guy , his pay per 90mins must be in the millions , I know it doesn't work like that but it's shocking when you think about it Bottom line for me is get through this season , we then clear out the high earners and build a balanced squad , and either way we have another tough league one ahead or a fresh squad for a league 2 push which will also be tough without reading anything into that one of them is true
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 18, 2024 21:29:17 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 21:36:10 GMT 1
On the O'Brien thing, I thought the fact that we're paying around 25% of his wages was an interesting one - it's 25% more than we'd be paying in an ideal world of course, but if a club like Sutton who I'd imagine will have one of the smaller budgets in the league below us have taken on around 75% of his wages, it feels like his wages maybe aren't extravagantly high. I'm sure he's on a decent wedge still and it doesn't change that he's been a turkey of a signing, but it makes me think maybe he's not one of our top earners, especially if some of the other figures that have been knocking around for other players are true, I was wondering this, I can't see him being on £4,000 simply because I can't believe Sutton would be contributing £3,000 of it. Maybe we're wrong and Sutton are minted? even if he is 4k, and Sutton are agreeing to pay 3, obrien himself might have a deal to accept £2k off them and take a hit for £1k
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 21:46:29 GMT 1
because we are paying them championship wages and only league one or 2 sides want them , hey marko , come and sign for us , we'll give you less than half of what you are on If things were that bad and we were desperate enough, we would still do everything we can to get them off the wage bill. But we haven't. None of the high earners have been put up for sale, we offered Pennington a new contract to stay, we offered Leahy a new contract to get him to stay. If we could convince a club to pay 75% of O'Brien's wages then I'm sure there would be clubs out there willing to pay a significant proportion towards Dunkley, Bayliss, Shipley & Marosi. not sure what you mean, if we use marosi as an example, he's a great keeper for us, we probably couldn't give him away free as he's quite happy with his wage here until his contract expires, and then he becomes a free agent moves on that means to get rid we would have to pay him off, and thats only providing he can find another club willing to take him, that would cost us say maybe at least half of his remaining wage , which we probably couldn't afford anyway, and then a cheap keeper is required to replace him, if we end up paying this new keeper half of what marosi is on, that would mean we will be paying roughly the same for a less quality keeper, it would be madness on our part
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Post by vladimir on Jan 18, 2024 22:34:54 GMT 1
I was wondering this, I can't see him being on £4,000 simply because I can't believe Sutton would be contributing £3,000 of it. Maybe we're wrong and Sutton are minted? even if he is 4k, and Sutton are agreeing to pay 3, obrien himself might have a deal to accept £2k off them and take a hit for £1k Christ that's clutching. A footballer who literally sat around doing **** all with us half of last season is now forgoing wages to barely play at his loan club?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 22:37:54 GMT 1
even if he is 4k, and Sutton are agreeing to pay 3, obrien himself might have a deal to accept £2k off them and take a hit for £1k Christ that's clutching. A footballer who literally sat around doing **** all with us half of last season is now forgoing wages to barely play at his loan club? it is yes, but if you can work out exactly what Obrien actually wants or is playing at you're a better man than me
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 18, 2024 23:10:41 GMT 1
Lots of focus on Roland on this thread. Why hasn’t there been much comment on Duncan Montgomery “putting his own money” in to the club?
He was appointed Finance Director - what sort of FD’s chuck their own money at a loss earning company for nothing in return?
Whats in it for him?
As far as I’m aware he’s never had any interest in the Town, first time I saw him at a game was Liverpool in January 2020. I understand he’s long worked as an advisor for the Chairman’s personal affairs, but never been involved with the club.
I’m at a loss. Don’t understand it. Nothing makes sense. Ultimately the trust has gone for many fans so much so we don’t believe a word being peddled anymore - rightly or wrongly
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 23:16:38 GMT 1
Lots of focus on Roland on this thread. Why hasn’t there been much comment on Duncan Montgomery “putting his own money” in to the club? He was appointed Finance Director - what sort of FD’s chuck their own money at a loss earning company for nothing in return? Whats in it for him? As far as I’m aware he’s never had any interest in the Town, first time I saw him at a game was Liverpool in January 2020. I understand he’s long worked as an advisor for the Chairman’s personal affairs, but never been involved with the club. I’m at a loss. Don’t understand it. Nothing makes sense. Ultimately the trust has gone for many fans so much so we don’t believe a word being peddled anymore - rightly or wrongly we all put money into the club and get nothing in return, its a hobby some of us have a lot more money than others at our disposal I'd love to be in thats guys position as im not a businessman, am I on my own in dreaming for a lottery win and wasting half of it on trying to run a football club ?
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 18, 2024 23:22:01 GMT 1
Lots of focus on Roland on this thread. Why hasn’t there been much comment on Duncan Montgomery “putting his own money” in to the club? He was appointed Finance Director - what sort of FD’s chuck their own money at a loss earning company for nothing in return? Whats in it for him? As far as I’m aware he’s never had any interest in the Town, first time I saw him at a game was Liverpool in January 2020. I understand he’s long worked as an advisor for the Chairman’s personal affairs, but never been involved with the club. I’m at a loss. Don’t understand it. Nothing makes sense. Ultimately the trust has gone for many fans so much so we don’t believe a word being peddled anymore - rightly or wrongly we all put money into the club and get nothing in return, its a hobby some of us have a lot more money than others at our disposal I'd love to be in thats guys position as im not a businessman, am I on my own in dreaming for a lottery win and wasting half of it on trying to run a football club ? Don’t really follow that flow but most of us on here have blue and amber in our blood, as I say, as far as I’m aware this bloke has zero connection to the Town or Club until recent years Call me a cynic - in my opinion there’s no chance they’re not getting something out of this, which is fine, but be honest about it and don’t make out your saviours. I could of course be wrong but as I say, the trust in the current running of our club is shattered for me
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 23:26:53 GMT 1
we all put money into the club and get nothing in return, its a hobby some of us have a lot more money than others at our disposal I'd love to be in thats guys position as im not a businessman, am I on my own in dreaming for a lottery win and wasting half of it on trying to run a football club ? Don’t really follow that flow but most of us on here have blue and amber in our blood, as I say, as far as I’m aware this bloke has zero connection to the Town or Club until recent years Call me a cynic - in my opinion there’s no chance they’re not getting something out of this, which is fine, but be honest about it and don’t make out your saviours. I could of course be wrong but as I say, the trust in the current running of our club is shattered for me we are on our best run of league 1 football since I can remember
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jan 18, 2024 23:36:28 GMT 1
Don’t really follow that flow but most of us on here have blue and amber in our blood, as I say, as far as I’m aware this bloke has zero connection to the Town or Club until recent years Call me a cynic - in my opinion there’s no chance they’re not getting something out of this, which is fine, but be honest about it and don’t make out your saviours. I could of course be wrong but as I say, the trust in the current running of our club is shattered for me we are on our best run of league 1 football since I can remember That's because of your age ........ but historically it does not beat 1959/60 through to 1973/74 15 seasons and then 1975/76 through to 1992/93 of Tier 2 and 3 (old div 2 & 3 in old money or championship & div 1 in new money) 18 seasons
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2024 23:41:40 GMT 1
we are on our best run of league 1 football since I can remember That's because of your age ........ but historically it does not beat 1959/60 through to 1973/74 15 seasons and then 1975/76 through to 1992/93 of Tier 2 and 3 (old div 2 & 3 in old money or championship & div 1 in new money) 18 seasons oh yeah, remember when Northampton and Carlisle were in the top tier the days before money ruined the game stop living in the past, it isn't coming back
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 18, 2024 23:47:39 GMT 1
That's because of your age ........ but historically it does not beat 1959/60 through to 1973/74 15 seasons and then 1975/76 through to 1992/93 of Tier 2 and 3 (old div 2 & 3 in old money or championship & div 1 in new money) 18 seasons oh yeah, remember when Northampton and Carlisle were in the top tier the days before money ruined the game stop living in the past, it isn't coming back Yes I yearn for the days when Leicester could win the league and Burton, Yeovil And Wycombe could win promotion to the Championship
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Post by Scarecrow on Jan 18, 2024 23:58:49 GMT 1
Just remember this is Roland’s club as far as he’s concerned and he’ll never ever speak to the media or put himself in a position in which others criticise his leadership of this football club in public or get him to take questions. The only time he ever emerges is whenever we’ve been promoted to league one and he’s always been careful to ensure he’s seen as the star of the show in those moments.
Ultimately even if it is true that Brian and Steve majority overspent and have put this club in a financially dangerous position don’t forget he’s still the guy at the top who let the situation unfold in the first place. A good owner would surely have a grip of what is going on.
The sad truth is Roland should have left years ago -the season after we had our second promotion into league one and somewhat stabilised as an outfit. He could have taken all of the plaudits for saving us from the conference and building the club up. Instead he’s chosen to be stubborn, and finally it’s taken this season for a large amount of our fanbase to recognise what a lot of us have for years.
He’s not the messiah, he’s an albatross around the club’s future.
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Post by jamo on Jan 19, 2024 0:24:32 GMT 1
He’s not the messiah, he’s an albatross around the club’s future. Exactly that. Despite being perceived by some as the ‘safe pair of hands’ he is actually the drag anchor that is killing this club right in front of our eyes. His time ended at least 10 years ago, he could have left in the ascendancy and had a legacy that meant something. He has destroyed that through arrogance and complacency. And the clubs future is in jeopardy as a consequence
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 0:48:40 GMT 1
oh yeah, remember when Northampton and Carlisle were in the top tier the days before money ruined the game stop living in the past, it isn't coming back Yes I yearn for the days when Leicester could win the league and Burton, Yeovil And Wycombe could win promotion to the Championship leicester , the club who I think were 6th highest spenders that seasons, run by a multi billionaire where are they now ? where are Burton, wycombe, ? wow shame we dont follow in Yeovil's footsteps, how are Wycombe doing under their new owners, honeymoon long worn off I hear, Burton, yes did well, but back where they belong slowly but surely add towns extra time defeat to that list, we did all but enough to join that incredibly short list of freak occurrences not really sure what your point is, apart from you are also living in the past we all dream but its embarrassing crying every time we lose
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 19, 2024 6:21:47 GMT 1
Yes I yearn for the days when Leicester could win the league and Burton, Yeovil And Wycombe could win promotion to the Championship leicester , the club who I think were 6th highest spenders that seasons, run by a multi billionaire where are they now ? where are Burton, wycombe, ? wow shame we dont follow in Yeovil's footsteps, how are Wycombe doing under their new owners, honeymoon long worn off I hear, Burton, yes did well, but back where they belong slowly but surely add towns extra time defeat to that list, we did all but enough to join that incredibly short list of freak occurrences not really sure what your point is, apart from you are also living in the past we all dream but its embarrassing crying every time we lose "stop living in the past, it isn't coming back" It did come back however fleetingly. What were Leicester? Something like 500-1 to win the league at the start of that season. As Hunter Davies said "The Glory Game" and wouldn't it have been magnificent to win against Rotherham in the play off or were you sat at Wembley muttering to yourself "this is not true my name must be Jethro Tull"
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Post by neilsalop on Jan 19, 2024 7:29:01 GMT 1
Wycherley could have sold up ten years ago and left as a legend. That he didn't is down to his arrogance and now he is being called an albatross or accused of allowing the club to falter. Yes we all want the club to be in a safe pair of hands, we've all been witness to the goings on at Chester, Bury and even Telford and that is the last thing we would ever want for our club.
While there are those who think that without him we wouldn't have a football club in Shrewsbury any more, those three clubs I mentioned have all come back, they may be further down the pyramid, but they still exist, their fans still have a club to support and they still have their history. To suggest that the people of Shrewsbury and the surrounding areas would watch their club disappear and just shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well, never mind eh'' is ridiculous. We are the club and I would sincerely hope that we would never let that happen. Granted the clubs mentioned and many others besides probably don't have a council quite as hostile towards football fans as ours, but does anyone really believe that without Wycherley there would be no football club in the county town?
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Jan 19, 2024 8:40:26 GMT 1
This is the case at present with Mr Delves apparently leaving
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Post by Pilch on Jan 19, 2024 8:45:25 GMT 1
leicester , the club who I think were 6th highest spenders that seasons, run by a multi billionaire where are they now ? where are Burton, wycombe, ? wow shame we dont follow in Yeovil's footsteps, how are Wycombe doing under their new owners, honeymoon long worn off I hear, Burton, yes did well, but back where they belong slowly but surely add towns extra time defeat to that list, we did all but enough to join that incredibly short list of freak occurrences not really sure what your point is, apart from you are also living in the past we all dream but its embarrassing crying every time we lose "stop living in the past, it isn't coming back" It did come back however fleetingly. What were Leicester? Something like 500-1 to win the league at the start of that season. As Hunter Davies said "The Glory Game" and wouldn't it have been magnificent to win against Rotherham in the play off or were you sat at Wembley muttering to yourself "this is not true my name must be Jethro Tull" 5000/1 actually a miracle as some called it so are we hoping for a miracle here and getting upset and angry when it doesn't keep happening ?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 19, 2024 9:21:01 GMT 1
He wants to make sure that the people who buy the club do the right thing not only by him but also by our loyal supporters – he wants that to be the case.I'm not sure how to read that "by him but also" but first impressions is that it doesn't read well... And crazy that we are talking about ten years, yet what has been result of that? And looking to that Salopcast tweet and that article it looks as though there was some Swedish investors interested. Maybe RW didn't think the offer did right by him. Whether it was decent enough for the club and the fans however, I guess we'll never know.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jan 19, 2024 10:03:42 GMT 1
"stop living in the past, it isn't coming back" It did come back however fleetingly. What were Leicester? Something like 500-1 to win the league at the start of that season. As Hunter Davies said "The Glory Game" and wouldn't it have been magnificent to win against Rotherham in the play off or were you sat at Wembley muttering to yourself "this is not true my name must be Jethro Tull" 5000/1 actually a miracle as some called it so are we hoping for a miracle here and getting upset and angry when it doesn't keep happening ? Absolutely hoping for a miracle but frustrated that this miracle will be made on the pitch but not with the current personnel.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 19, 2024 10:04:09 GMT 1
Completely agree. This is what I tell supporters of Roland when they shoot down any criticism of the man by telliing me what a great chairman he is and how lucky we are to have him because he saved us (28 years ago) and got us a new ground (17 years ago)
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 19, 2024 10:14:06 GMT 1
He wants to make sure that the people who buy the club do the right thing not only by him but also by our loyal supporters – he wants that to be the case.I'm not sure how to read that "by him but also" but first impressions is that it doesn't read well... And crazy that we are talking about ten years, yet what has been result of that? And looking to that Salopcast tweet and that article it looks as though there was some Swedish investors interested. Maybe RW didn't think the offer did right by him. Whether it was decent enough for the club and the fans however, I guess we'll never know. This is where following a little club with little press interest makes life difficult. The 'news' in the Star is not some exclusive and comes off great journalism, it's literally what the CEO told an open fans parliament. If this were a big club there would be interest to find out who these two buyers are but also who the Swedish consortium were and why it fell through. But instead we have to rely on the rumour mill and then the standard line from the club of "there is interest but Roland wants to make sure the are the right people for the club". I genuinely don't think Roland will look to sell to some dodgy investment company, however we do know that Roland hasn't always been the best judge of character and his ego can get in the way of things.
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 19, 2024 10:17:15 GMT 1
This is the case at present with Mr Delves apparently leaving If it is true then what a **** up.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 19, 2024 10:23:04 GMT 1
If things were that bad and we were desperate enough, we would still do everything we can to get them off the wage bill. But we haven't. None of the high earners have been put up for sale, we offered Pennington a new contract to stay, we offered Leahy a new contract to get him to stay. If we could convince a club to pay 75% of O'Brien's wages then I'm sure there would be clubs out there willing to pay a significant proportion towards Dunkley, Bayliss, Shipley & Marosi. not sure what you mean, if we use marosi as an example, he's a great keeper for us, we probably couldn't give him away free as he's quite happy with his wage here until his contract expires, and then he becomes a free agent moves on that means to get rid we would have to pay him off, and thats only providing he can find another club willing to take him, that would cost us say maybe at least half of his remaining wage , which we probably couldn't afford anyway, and then a cheap keeper is required to replace him, if we end up paying this new keeper half of what marosi is on, that would mean we will be paying roughly the same for a less quality keeper, it would be madness on our part I think we are broadly thinking along similar lines in terms of getting rid of players and paying x%, I believe the difference is you think their wages are that high that they will put off any interest, whereas I don't. Whilst high for us, I don't think they are anything extortionate at our level and whilst we talk of 'Chamipionship' wages I suspect they are at the bottom end of that scale. My view is that if the big earners were made available then there would be interest, not necessarily all of them would go but I would be very surprised if fellow L1 clubs didn't look at the likes of Marosi, Dunkley, Shipley & Bayliss. As for the players, I suspect they would jump at the chance to go. I bet you Cotterill sold them a dream of targeting promotion to the Championship and that's gone now, it's about survival and the calibre of players coming in is very different (as per Flanaghan's comments) My main point though is the fact we've kept them all (and tried to keep Pennington & Leahy), those are not the actions of a club that is struggling financially. Of course, the fact the board are effectively paying the wages themselves, would suggest that is the case. Which is the bit I'm really struggling with, I don't understand the position of the club financially.
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