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Post by tdk on Nov 9, 2023 12:01:32 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/08/tory-insiders-suggest-suella-braverman-trying-to-get-sackedIs Braverman trying to get sacked? Suella Braverman has been accused of daring No 10 to sack her with provocative comments designed to cement her position as the right wing front runner to succeed Rishi Sunak as Conservative leader. Former ministers and Tory insiders claim that the home secretary is deliberately making unauthorised statements on homelessness, demonstrations and multiculturalism to woo the party’s hard-right base. It seems pretty obvious that Braverman is trying to position herself on the hard right with an eye on the future and doing nothing to assist the current Government. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 9, 2023 12:10:56 GMT 1
In the Commons Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary, is asking an urgent question about Suella Braverman and policing. She says no other home secretary would have written an article like the one Braverman has. The job of home secretary is to keep the public safe, not run an endless leadership campaign. She asks if the government still believes in the operational independence of the police. And she asks if No 10 signed off on the Times article. UPDATE: Cooper said: Attacking [the police’s] impartiality in the crudest and most partisan of ways, deliberately undermining respect for the police at a sensitive time when they have an important job to do, deliberately seeking to create division around remembrance, which the policing minister rightly said should be a time for communities to come together and to pay our respects – [Braverman] is deliberately inflaming community tensions in the most dangerous of ways. She is encouraging extremists on all sides, attacking the police when she should be backing them. It is highly irresponsible and dangerous, and no other home secretary would ever have done this … [The police] should not be the operational arm of the home secretary, because whether she likes it or not, that is the British tradition of policing, and I for one am proud of it. We know what she’s up to – claiming homelessness is a lifestyle choice, picking fights with the police to get headlines. But the job of the home secretary is to keep the public safe, not run an endless Tory leadership campaign. Cabinet colleagues refusing to agree with her, former police chiefs lining up to condemn her. So two questions. Does this government still believe in the operational independence of the police, and how can it do so when this home secretary is in post? And did the prime minister and No 10 agree to the content of this article? Because either the prime minister has endorsed this, or he’s too weak to sack her. And if he can’t get rid of her, or get a grip of her conduct, it means he’s given up on serious government and he and the home secretary should both let someone else do the job. www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/08/suella-braverman-accuses-police-of-double-standards-on-rallieswww.theguardian.com/politics/live/2023/nov/09/labour-suella-braverman-met-police-protest-uk-politics-latest |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 9, 2023 22:35:13 GMT 1
Suella fouls up the Home Secretary job. What's the best way out? Say things that appeal to your target audience, those members that made Truss leader, and hope you get the sack for that rather than for your incompetence.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 10, 2023 1:24:04 GMT 1
Braverman is trying as hard as she can to get sacked with eye to becoming a focal point for when the Tories are stirring the orc pits in opposition to see what it can conjure up.
The situation isn't going to hurt Sunak - he's too rich- he shouldn't sack her and call an election instead and immolate the lot of them.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 10, 2023 13:15:14 GMT 1
Don't sack her, leave her in post to clear up the mess she has made. For example, the ruling on Rwanda is out in a few days, let's see where that leaves her...
Anyway, after Pritti and Suella, where's Sunak going to find anyone dim enough to want the job?
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 11, 2023 12:14:40 GMT 1
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 11, 2023 12:44:45 GMT 1
Well her plan worked !!
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 11, 2023 12:47:16 GMT 1
Suella have you noticed how many of your supporters are wearing masks and balaclavas ?? 🤔🙄
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2023 19:58:49 GMT 1
Suella have you noticed how many of your supporters are wearing masks and balaclavas ?? 🤔🙄 Funniest thing all day was Tommy Ten Names riling up all his acolytes into a frenzy and then getting into a Pride liveried taxi to escape the carnage before they all got arrested  |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2023 9:44:01 GMT 1
Suella sacked
Appallingly weak decision by Rishi, she really was their only hope going in to next years election. Expect more infighting as a fall out from this... divides the party 2 ways yet again.
Shambles
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Post by mattmw on Nov 13, 2023 10:34:06 GMT 1
Cameron back as foreign Secretary is very very funny if true
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 13, 2023 10:43:11 GMT 1
Funny or worrying that there would appear to be no one better than an ex MP who walked out and left the country in a shambles because he couldn’t get his own way. He’s not even an MP and yet another bloke with definitely more money than sense.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 13, 2023 10:47:16 GMT 1
Cameron back as foreign Secretary is very very funny if true Cleverly has been given the Home Secretary's job. Cameron has been appointed as Foreign Secretary, so expect the opposition to revive the Greensill scandal. More sleaze. Plus Braverman has stated that she'll have more to say in due course. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensill_scandal |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 13, 2023 11:04:50 GMT 1
Defence Minister Heappey only earlier this morning churning out garbage. They treat the electorate with utter contempt.
News of Braverman’s exit came as defence minister James Heappey was touring broadcast studios.
Minutes before she was sacked, Heappey told LBC that Sunak and his team in No 10 had been “very clear she (Braverman) has his confidence and, in that sense, one would imagine that she will continue”.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 13, 2023 11:09:34 GMT 1
Well we’ve really scraped the barrel now. I don’t think our political parties have ever been in such a mess. I certainly have never felt so disillusioned at time before. What next? Bloody George Osborne and Nick Clegg? I just give up. There must be back benchers with talent- the powers that be just can’t be bothered to look I presume.
Still I guess it’s one way to get into the House of Lords. I never wanted it abolished until today.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 13, 2023 11:12:04 GMT 1
Funny or worrying that there would appear to be no one better than an ex MP who walked out and left the country in a shambles because he couldn’t get his own way. He’s not even an MP and yet another bloke with definitely more money than sense. This appears to be the Back to the Future reshuffle !! 🙄 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 13, 2023 11:21:57 GMT 1
Suella sacked Appallingly weak decision by Rishi, she really was their only hope going in to next years election. Expect more infighting as a fall out from this... divides the party 2 ways yet again. Shambles I think Braverman makes some good points and I am sure an awful lot of people agree with the points made but its the tone, she just doesn't seem to get that right again and again. But lets see, I gather we won't be seeing any more violence, hate and racism on the streets of London and elsewhere now that she has been removed from office.  As for Cameron, who knows.  I think its time for a general election now, hand the keys to Labour and pass me the popcorn. I suspect the best advert for the Tories will be a Labour government and they might as well get on with that now as later.  |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2023 11:28:23 GMT 1
I fully expect Suella to stand and probably win the next leadership contest, when Sir Keir wipes Rishi's arse next year
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 11:43:09 GMT 1
Suella sacked Appallingly weak decision by Rishi, she really was their only hope going in to next years election. Expect more infighting as a fall out from this... divides the party 2 ways yet again. Shambles I think it’s time for a general election now, hand the keys to Labour and pass me the popcorn. I suspect the best advert for the Tories will be a Labour government and they might as well get on with that now as later. Don’t governments get a free pass of at least ten years though, where they don’t get blamed for anything as it’s all blamed on the previous administration, isn’t that how it works? As for Suella, good riddance. Utterly inept Home Secretary. Talks a game which obviously goes down well with her supporters, but what has she actually achieved? And it’s always somebody else’s fault - the ECHR, the police, the ‘guardian reading tofu eating wokerati’, even Liz Truss has the right idea in sacking her before Sunak shamelessly brought her back in exchange for support. |
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Post by mattmw on Nov 13, 2023 11:52:39 GMT 1
Will be interesting to see how the right of the Party react to Cameron coming back. Having campaigned for the UK to stay in the EU I can’t see him being popular choice with the brexiteers, and his past involvement with the lobbying scandal might mean that issue is dug up again in the media
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 13, 2023 11:55:25 GMT 1
Hand the reigns to labour and watch everything get fixed overnight.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 13, 2023 12:33:45 GMT 1
Hand the reigns to labour and watch everything get fixed overnight. Don’t think many people are expecting that - it’s going to be a long job but what I hope is that they can make a start in reversing the decline over the last few years . |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 13, 2023 12:35:35 GMT 1
Is Therese Coffey staging a sit in at Number 10 or smuggled out of the back door 🤔🙄
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 13, 2023 12:38:07 GMT 1
I think it’s time for a general election now, hand the keys to Labour and pass me the popcorn. I suspect the best advert for the Tories will be a Labour government and they might as well get on with that now as later. Don’t governments get a free pass of at least ten years though, where they don’t get blamed for anything as it’s all blamed on the previous administration, isn’t that how it works? Well I'm sure that's the plan and I'm sure Labour will do so (as all parties do) but whether it will work, that remains to be seen. Can't be sure what a Labour government will look like of course, maybe Starmer will surprise us and perhaps it will take some time for the Tories to regroup. However, gut feeling is we will see something similar in the UK to what we are seeing here in Germany where after years of a CDU led coalition government the German people turned to the SPD (along with the Greens and the FDP) but since doing so, the SPD is currently polling under 16%. Goes without saying of course but being in government is a whole new ball game to being in opposition. And looking ahead, the electoral system provides some protection against other parties getting a foothold in the UK but I just wonder whether that will always be the case after we see what a Labour government can offer, I just wonder how much longer that will hold. I think there are some interesting times ahead... |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 13, 2023 12:51:39 GMT 1
Suella sacked Appallingly weak decision by Rishi, she really was their only hope going in to next years election. Expect more infighting as a fall out from this... divides the party 2 ways yet again. Shambles Weak decision not to have sacked her days ago. You must like dog whistle politics to think she is the country’s saviour. |
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Post by mattmw on Nov 13, 2023 13:14:00 GMT 1
Hand the reigns to labour and watch everything get fixed overnight. Don’t think many people are expecting that - it’s going to be a long job but what I hope is that they can make a start in reversing the decline over the last few years . Seeing as Starmer and the Labour Party have said they will stick to Conservative spending plans and the economy looks likely the muddle on at limited growth levels, the ability of Labour to change much seems pretty limited, especially in the big areas of spend such as health, adult social care social security etc. Labour will no doubt employ a similar ability to the Conservatives to appoint total idiots to high office and have their fair share of MPs who are a bit handy round the interns, I suspect another 5 years of national decline ahead. God knows what kind of Conservative Party will emerge post election too. Depressing times ahead |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 13, 2023 17:23:17 GMT 1
I fully expect Suella to stand and probably win the next leadership contest, when Sir Keir wipes Rishi's arse next year WellI guess if Republicans can vote for Trump, anything is possible. Mind you, the last time the membership chose a leader it didn’t end well, and shows how out of touch they are with the country in general. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2023 17:31:06 GMT 1
I fully expect Suella to stand and probably win the next leadership contest, when Sir Keir wipes Rishi's arse next year WellI guess if Republicans can vote for Trump, anything is possible. Mind you, the last time the membership chose a leader it didn’t end well, and shows how out of touch they are with the country in general. How does it? All the Liz Truss episode showed was yet more Tory infighting, and how out of touch the elected Tory MP's are with the Tory members. The country didn't get a say or have anything to do with it (wrongly in my opinion) |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2023 17:32:28 GMT 1
Suella sacked Appallingly weak decision by Rishi, she really was their only hope going in to next years election. Expect more infighting as a fall out from this... divides the party 2 ways yet again. Shambles Weak decision not to have sacked her days ago. You must like dog whistle politics to think she is the country’s saviour. I didn't say she was a saviour, I just gave my opinion on what I think gave the Tories the best chance of winning an election, or atleast suffering less damage, in 2024. Rishi Sunak is grossly unpopular with Conservative voters, this won't help... |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 13, 2023 18:08:03 GMT 1
Sunak is about the only Tory I would contemplate voting for. Braverman puts the nasty, back into the Nasty Party, but perhaps that’s what Tory members like or identify with.
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