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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 16, 2023 17:59:20 GMT 1
you would hope that the Scottish labour party get thre act together and grasp this oportunity to be a more credable oposition in preperation for the next election,I would imagine the conservatives will breath a sigh of relief but as for the next election but i dont see them picking up any votes from this north of the border and also they wont be able to cause any concerns over labour linking up with Sturegeon.
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Post by kenwood on Feb 16, 2023 18:28:39 GMT 1
Her popularity is not quite split 50/50 as we know.
The latest figures indicate that the SNP are not as popular as they once were . Of course the main concern relates to the SNP focusing too much on IndyRef2 and not on what really matters to the majority of Scotlands population. Who can blame them . The Scottish Education system was once highly regarded but not any more.
The drug problem is growing , life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is lower than some third world countries and then the ferry issue with two boats rotting after having been bought for considerable sums infuriates a lot of people . What a surprise.
All this may fade into insignificance when the question concerns £ 600,000 in donations to the SNP. Where is it now .
As Ihave said before , time to sit back and watch what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 8:06:34 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it.
Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England.
I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 20, 2023 11:21:46 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it.
Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England.
I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 20, 2023 12:42:05 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it.
Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England.
I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
But, of course, they will. And my post concerning the good things that the SNP has done has been completely ignored by the critics. That's a surprise !!! |
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Post by block12massive on Feb 20, 2023 22:07:17 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it.
Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England.
I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
Alexa, show me an example of 'Whataboutery'. Also why would we be worried about the German health and education system? One would assume they are leaps and bounds ahead of us in that regard. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 20, 2023 23:01:59 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it. Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England. I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
Alexa, show me an example of 'Whataboutery'. Also why would we be worried about the German health and education system? One would assume they are leaps and bounds ahead of us in that regard. Thanks for that from our resident expert on 'whataboutery'. Any comparison that challenges and it's dismissed as 'whataboutery', never actually responding to any of the points put forward. Suppose it's too much to expect anything better. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 7:07:07 GMT 1
I notice a few people bringing up the Scottish ferries debacle, yet when a certain Tory Transport Secretary awarded a £13.8 million contract to a ferry company without any ferries you never heard a peep from them. Just to add that the total cost of that particular fiasco that included handing out multi-million pound contracts to Brittany Ferries and DFDS has cost the UK taxpayer over £40m in cancellation fees, taking the final bill to nigh on £50m. Grayling is currently working 7 hours a week for Virgin Islands based Hutchinson Ports and raking in a tidy £100k a year for it. Nice work if you can get it.
Others, or possibly the same people, are jumping on the education system malfunctions and issues in the NHS north of the border, yet are conspicuously quiet on the same issues this side of the border. Many of us on here with kids know about the Thomas Telford School here in Telford. The CEO/headmaster Kevin Satchwell is retiring this year after successfully nudging his salary through the £300k a year bracket, over 10 times the average salary of the rest of his staff. The entire trust controls just 5 schools and has around 6,200 students. His pay per student is over £48 per student per year, but some Academy Trust CEOs are getting even more than that, with one being paid over £200 per student per year.
It's been pointed out on here before about the struggles that the NHS is having in Shropshire and Telford over the last few months in particular, with at one point 22 of the 23 ambulances allocated to the area being sat outside the two A&E departments, leaving one ambulance and its crew to cover the largest landlocked county in England.
I really don't think that we in England and Wales (or Germany for that matter) are in any position to lecture the Scots on how to run their health and education services or their ferry services either to be honest.
Alexa, show me an example of 'Whataboutery'. Also why would we be worried about the German health and education system? One would assume they are leaps and bounds ahead of us in that regard. It was actually a less than subtle dig at our resident of Stuttgart airing his views on something that has little if any effect on his life. As with Brexit which he comes on here to support, while again he is pretty well insulated from the effects of it.
You may consider that I am engaging in whataboutery, but isn't that what most of this thread has been doing. Finding fault with Sturgeon and the SNP while all the time watching as the NHS, rail, postal services, the care sector, the agricultural sector all implode in England under Cameron/May/Johnson/Sunak is the the ultimate in whataboutery.
As you can see, even with 13 years of cuts in the NHS we are actually still just about ahead of Germany. Shame we've slipped from 1st to 4th in that time though.
2014 report which shows figures from 2011.
As for education I would say that the UK and Germany are not all far that apart judging by this report:
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 21, 2023 8:27:56 GMT 1
you would hope that the Scottish labour party get thre act together and grasp this oportunity to be a more credable oposition in preperation for the next election, Maybe, I'm sure they will see it as an opportunity. Here are the results of the latest polling... So a slight increase for Labour in the one but the most recent has the SNP on 43% (which is about the norm I think). I suppose we have to remember that whoever is leading the SNP, with independence the priority anyone who wants to see Scotland go it alone will more than likely vote for the SNP come what may. But the leadership race to replace Sturgeon is still an interesting one to watch as you do wonder if it will have an impact and how. As you have Yousaf who is seen as the continuity candidate (and the favorite to win by the looks) but from what you read, is just as much a divisive figure as Sturgeon (he is determined to go to the courts regarding section 35 and the GRR bill, for example) and so that could mean the SNP would be stuck to their current rut (solid support but without much chance of gathering 50% of the vote in either an election of a referendum). Alternatively, you have Forbes and Denham who might not be the popular choice within the current SNP supporter base (which means they may lose some support because of that) but who could perhaps cross the divide and get others who have been turned off by the SNP under Sturgeon supporting them. We wait and see. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 21, 2023 14:16:35 GMT 1
you would hope that the Scottish labour party get thre act together and grasp this oportunity to be a more credable oposition in preperation for the next election, Maybe, I'm sure they will see it as an opportunity. Here are the results of the latest polling... So a slight increase for Labour in the one but the most recent has the SNP on 43% (which is about the norm I think). I suppose we have to remember that whoever is leading the SNP, with independence the priority anyone who wants to see Scotland go it alone will more than likely vote for the SNP come what may. But the leadership race to replace Sturgeon is still an interesting one to watch as you do wonder if it will have an impact and how. As you have Yousaf who is seen as the continuity candidate (and the favorite to win by the looks) but from what you read, is just as much a divisive figure as Sturgeon (he is determined to go to the courts regarding section 35 and the GRR bill, for example) and so that could mean the SNP would be stuck to their current rut (solid support but without much chance of gathering 50% of the vote in either an election of a referendum). Alternatively, you have Forbes and Denham who might not be the popular choice within the current SNP supporter base (which means they may lose some support because of that) but who could perhaps cross the divide and get others who have been turned off by the SNP under Sturgeon supporting them. We wait and see. as hte green party are allies of the snp they would have to loose a lot of support to not be in power |
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 21, 2023 15:15:26 GMT 1
Another crackpot on the way, Forbes who doesn't believe in abortion or same sex marriage.
Are these neanderthals north of the border stuck in the 1970s?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 15:28:06 GMT 1
Another crackpot on the way, Forbes who doesn't believe in abortion or same sex marriage. Are these neanderthals north of the border stuck in the 1970s? Didn't the DUP elect Edwin Poots as their leader? A man who actually believes the Earth is 6000 years old? |
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 21, 2023 16:00:26 GMT 1
Another crackpot on the way, Forbes who doesn't believe in abortion or same sex marriage. Are these neanderthals north of the border stuck in the 1970s? Didn't the DUP elect Edwin Poots as their leader? A man who actually believes the Earth is 6000 years old? More than likely, another bunch of crackpots. I'm not sure if politics is at an all time low, or if it's always been but it gets 100x more coverage and scrutiny now because of the internet and more recently social media? |
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Post by block12massive on Feb 21, 2023 17:45:28 GMT 1
The alternative is Humza Yousef, the man who spoke about the majority of senior figures in Scottish legislature being 'white' with such venom and bitterness, he was literally spitting the word from his mouth.
A country which is 96% white by the way.
I wonder how his faith will stand up under the same spotlight as Forbes.
It does seem like we've entered an age where a devout Christian running for office is far less to be successful in their campaign than anyone of any other religion, coming unstuck on issues such as abortion or gay rights.
On the last issue, it's worth mentioning that during the Holyrood 2014 vote on gay marriage, Yusuf conveniently was absent from the chamber citing that he had an 'unavoidable' diary conflict with a case of a Scottish national on death row in Pakistan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 19:52:25 GMT 1
The alternative is Humza Yousef, the man who spoke about the majority of senior figures in Scottish legislature being 'white' with such venom and bitterness, he was literally spitting the word from his mouth. A country which is 96% white by the way. I wonder how his faith will stand up under the same spotlight as Forbes. It does seem like we've entered an age where a devout Christian running for office is far less to be successful in their campaign than anyone of any other religion, coming unstuck on issues such as abortion or gay rights. On the last issue, it's worth mentioning that during the Holyrood 2014 vote on gay marriage, Yusuf conveniently was absent from the chamber citing that he had an 'unavoidable' diary conflict with a case of a Scottish national on death row in Pakistan. Religion should NEVER be anywhere near politics. If someone chooses to believe that is between them and their chosen made up deity, but if a politician finds their religious beliefs have any bearing on any potential bills they should be forced to recluse themselves. As for the 26 bishops in the House of Lords, they should go too.
As a vehement atheist I truly believe that a bunch of fables passed down through word of mouth some 2000 years ago by people that didn't know where the sun went at night and eventually written down, translated, edited, re-edited a dozen more times, handed to kings to give their approval, before being re-edited yet again should have no bearing on 21st century life. Change my mind.
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Post by block12massive on Feb 22, 2023 12:53:46 GMT 1
The alternative is Humza Yousef, the man who spoke about the majority of senior figures in Scottish legislature being 'white' with such venom and bitterness, he was literally spitting the word from his mouth. A country which is 96% white by the way. I wonder how his faith will stand up under the same spotlight as Forbes. It does seem like we've entered an age where a devout Christian running for office is far less to be successful in their campaign than anyone of any other religion, coming unstuck on issues such as abortion or gay rights. On the last issue, it's worth mentioning that during the Holyrood 2014 vote on gay marriage, Yusuf conveniently was absent from the chamber citing that he had an 'unavoidable' diary conflict with a case of a Scottish national on death row in Pakistan. Religion should NEVER be anywhere near politics. If someone chooses to believe that is between them and their chosen made up deity, but if a politician finds their religious beliefs have any bearing on any potential bills they should be forced to recluse themselves. As for the 26 bishops in the House of Lords, they should go too.
As a vehement atheist I truly believe that a bunch of fables passed down through word of mouth some 2000 years ago by people that didn't know where the sun went at night and eventually written down, translated, edited, re-edited a dozen more times, handed to kings to give their approval, before being re-edited yet again should have no bearing on 21st century life. Change my mind.
Religion is/was generally the foundation of which laws as we know it were created. You've heard of the ten commandments, right? I'm not religious but simply tossing away Judeo-Christian ethics which have generally underpinned Western civilisation pretty well for XXX years is not something I would be so quick to get rid of. It's pretty clear the space would have to be filled by someone - or something - and I'd much rather the devil you know than allow some trendy rights groups or populist politician to insert their faux belief system in its place. |
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 22, 2023 13:26:44 GMT 1
I'd outlaw religion completely if I had my way.
Some daft old tales from 2000 years ago that are allegedly remembered, written, unchanged and unaltered guiding 21st century life makes me nauseous at best.
Religion is the biggest cause of world unrest.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 22, 2023 14:42:41 GMT 1
The alternative is Humza Yousef, the man who spoke about the majority of senior figures in Scottish legislature being 'white' with such venom and bitterness, he was literally spitting the word from his mouth. A country which is 96% white by the way. I wonder how his faith will stand up under the same spotlight as Forbes. It does seem like we've entered an age where a devout Christian running for office is far less to be successful in their campaign than anyone of any other religion, coming unstuck on issues such as abortion or gay rights. On the last issue, it's worth mentioning that during the Holyrood 2014 vote on gay marriage, Yusuf conveniently was absent from the chamber citing that he had an 'unavoidable' diary conflict with a case of a Scottish national on death row in Pakistan. Religion should NEVER be anywhere near politics. If someone chooses to believe that is between them and their chosen made up deity, but if a politician finds their religious beliefs have any bearing on any potential bills they should be forced to recluse themselves. As for the 26 bishops in the House of Lords, they should go too.
As a vehement atheist I truly believe that a bunch of fables passed down through word of mouth some 2000 years ago by people that didn't know where the sun went at night and eventually written down, translated, edited, re-edited a dozen more times, handed to kings to give their approval, before being re-edited yet again should have no bearing on 21st century life. Change my mind.
How about the 26 Church of England bishops who sit in the House of Lords? No Catholics, no Church of Scotland or Wales… seems fair 😂 “ The Lords Spiritual are the bishops of the Church of England who serve in the House of Lords of the United Kingdom. 26 out of the 42 diocesan bishops and archbishops of the Church of England serve as Lords Spiritual (not counting retired archbishops who sit by right of a peerage). The Church of Scotland, which is Presbyterian, and the Anglican churches in Wales and Northern Ireland, which are no longer established churches, are not represented. The Lords Spiritual are distinct from the Lords Temporal, their secular counterparts who also sit in the House of Lords.”The Lords Spiritual are the bishops of the Church of England who serve in the House of Lords of the United Kingdom. 26 out of the 42 diocesan bishops and archbishops of the Church of England serve as Lords Spiritual (not counting retired archbishops who sit by right of a peerage). The Church of Scotland, which is Presbyterian, and the Anglican churches in Wales and Northern Ireland, which are no longer established churches, are not represented. The Lords Spiritual are distinct from the Lords Temporal, their secular counterparts who also sit in the House of Lords. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 20:27:16 GMT 1
Religion should NEVER be anywhere near politics. If someone chooses to believe that is between them and their chosen made up deity, but if a politician finds their religious beliefs have any bearing on any potential bills they should be forced to recluse themselves. As for the 26 bishops in the House of Lords, they should go too.
As a vehement atheist I truly believe that a bunch of fables passed down through word of mouth some 2000 years ago by people that didn't know where the sun went at night and eventually written down, translated, edited, re-edited a dozen more times, handed to kings to give their approval, before being re-edited yet again should have no bearing on 21st century life. Change my mind.
Religion is/was generally the foundation of which laws as we know it were created. You've heard of the ten commandments, right? I'm not religious but simply tossing away Judeo-Christian ethics which have generally underpinned Western civilisation pretty well for XXX years is not something I would be so quick to get rid of. It's pretty clear the space would have to be filled by someone - or something - and I'd much rather the devil you know than allow some trendy rights groups or populist politician to insert their faux belief system in its place. Judeo-Christian or any other flavour of religion for that matter having ethics? Are you having a f**king laugh? How many people have been murdered over years in the name of religion? How many kids have been abused by nuns and priests? How many women were killed for allegedly being witches? How many wars have started in the of some made up deity or other?
I couldn't care less what religion people follow, all of them are doing very nicely thank you very much out of their followers. Just look at the value of land and property holding of the CoE or the Catholic Church, look at the mega-churches in the states. If those in charge of religion actually followed the (alleged) teachings of Jesus they would not be traveling by private jet or living in luxury while their followers were living in poverty.
A guy I work with believes in God, but even he sees organised religion as nothing more than a scam.
Did laws not exist before the Ten Commandments were written down in the Bible? I'd have said pretty much every one of the last five is actually common decency, the first four are basically telling you that the Judeo-Christian god is the only one and that it's a sin to worship any other. What a load of tosh to say that the Ten Commandments are the foundation of our laws, those same five laws or principles were around in ancient Greece, Rome, India and Egypt and pre-date the bible by in some cases many centuries. As for number five, my dad was a c***, he was a bully and he beat the s**t out of me regularly when I was a kid. I only went to his funeral to make sure the f**ker was dead, so that one goes out of the window straight away.
We don't need a belief system, belief systems have been holding back humanity for centuries, we just need common decency and respect for others or is that too trendy for you.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 23, 2023 8:43:58 GMT 1
Are these neanderthals north of the border stuck in the 1970s? I think recent events tell us that one or two are very much living in the now. That's why the SNP are seeking a new leader and why a Green MSP recently stated that we shouldn't take it as read that no human has ever changed their sex. I know where you are coming from of course but you do have to wonder what people will think of us 50 years on from now... On his time at Gids, Spiliadis added: “We’re like, ‘Oh my God, will we look back in ten, 20 years and be like, what did we do?’”Tavistock scandal ‘on a par with East German doping of athletes’
Without the paywall... Tavistock scandal ‘on a par with East German doping of athletesLike I say, I know what you mean and of course we can and should be critical of the past where appropriate but when you look to what is happening today, we got our own s**t going on...  |
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Post by block12massive on Feb 23, 2023 9:46:21 GMT 1
Religion is/was generally the foundation of which laws as we know it were created. You've heard of the ten commandments, right? I'm not religious but simply tossing away Judeo-Christian ethics which have generally underpinned Western civilisation pretty well for XXX years is not something I would be so quick to get rid of. It's pretty clear the space would have to be filled by someone - or something - and I'd much rather the devil you know than allow some trendy rights groups or populist politician to insert their faux belief system in its place. Judeo-Christian or any other flavour of religion for that matter having ethics? Are you having a f**king laugh? How many people have been murdered over years in the name of religion? How many kids have been abused by nuns and priests? How many women were killed for allegedly being witches? How many wars have started in the of some made up deity or other?
I couldn't care less what religion people follow, all of them are doing very nicely thank you very much out of their followers. Just look at the value of land and property holding of the CoE or the Catholic Church, look at the mega-churches in the states. If those in charge of religion actually followed the (alleged) teachings of Jesus they would not be traveling by private jet or living in luxury while their followers were living in poverty.
A guy I work with believes in God, but even he sees organised religion as nothing more than a scam.
Did laws not exist before the Ten Commandments were written down in the Bible? I'd have said pretty much every one of the last five is actually common decency, the first four are basically telling you that the Judeo-Christian god is the only one and that it's a sin to worship any other. What a load of tosh to say that the Ten Commandments are the foundation of our laws, those same five laws or principles were around in ancient Greece, Rome, India and Egypt and pre-date the bible by in some cases many centuries. As for number five, my dad was a c***, he was a bully and he beat the s**t out of me regularly when I was a kid. I only went to his funeral to make sure the f**ker was dead, so that one goes out of the window straight away.
We don't need a belief system, belief systems have been holding back humanity for centuries, we just need common decency and respect for others or is that too trendy for you.
Wow, some underlying issues there. So you've inadvertently proved my point as all the civilisations you mention were themselves build on religious practices? It can't be a coincidence that the first thing communist dictators did when they came to power in the Soviet bloc was to sanction and impose bans on practicing religion. Control the space in the middle. Precisely the reason why even as an atheist I would defend the institutions we have in place in our civilisation, as it's served us pretty well for the last however many thousand years. But yeah sure, lets throw it to the wall because of some bougie rights movements with sketchy intentions that were invented the day before yesterday. On a seperate issue, as I'm not sure I have the willpower to continue arguing with you, you should check out the 'Mobile Churches' project, where buildings of worship were literally picked up and moved out of sight in Romania during Ceaucescu's reign. One of the most fascinating places I've ever visited. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 23, 2023 12:17:51 GMT 1
"It can't be a coincidence that the first thing communist dictators did when they came to power in the Soviet bloc was to sanction and impose bans on practicing religion. Control the space in the middle"
"Marx saw religion as harmful to revolutionary goals: by focusing on the eternal rather than the temporal, religion turns the attention of the oppressed away from the exploitation and class structure that encompasses their everyday lives"
Not an unreasonable assumption to make.
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Post by block12massive on Feb 23, 2023 12:31:09 GMT 1
"It can't be a coincidence that the first thing communist dictators did when they came to power in the Soviet bloc was to sanction and impose bans on practicing religion. Control the space in the middle" "Marx saw religion as harmful to revolutionary goals: by focusing on the eternal rather than the temporal, religion turns the attention of the oppressed away from the exploitation and class structure that encompasses their everyday lives" Not an unreasonable assumption to make. "Opium of the people". |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 25, 2023 9:38:55 GMT 1
On the last issue, it's worth mentioning that during the Holyrood 2014 vote on gay marriage, Yusuf conveniently was absent from the chamber citing that he had an 'unavoidable' diary conflict with a case of a Scottish national on death row in Pakistan. People in glass houses and all that... |
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 25, 2023 12:24:25 GMT 1
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Post by block12massive on Apr 5, 2023 10:49:00 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823Well well well... As most of us expected, there was more than meets than eye about Saint Nich's 'surprise' resignation. Be interesting to see if the adoring media south of the border give this anywhere near the same level of attention as the Trump 'arrest'.
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Post by wookeywombat on Apr 5, 2023 11:28:22 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823Well well well... As most of us expected, there was more than meets than eye about Saint Nich's 'surprise' resignation. Be interesting to see if the adoring media south of the border give this anywhere near the same level of attention as the Trump 'arrest'. Considering Trump was USA President and has pretensions to be again and he is part of the backroom staff of a political party, there can be no comparison. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 5, 2023 11:33:32 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823Well well well... As most of us expected, there was more than meets than eye about Saint Nich's 'surprise' resignation. Be interesting to see if the adoring media south of the border give this anywhere near the same level of attention as the Trump 'arrest'. "Be interesting to see if the adoring media south of the border give this anywhere near the same level of attention as the Trump 'arrest'." from my perspective the scottish media have adopted a see no evil , hear no evil ,speak no evil approach to the SNP. despit many examples of incompetence and many failuers to oversea projects. it has taken the police over 18 months to get to a point were Peter Murrell husband is arrested for aleged issues relating to finaces within the SNP. so will the scottish press turn up, will they ask some uncomfertable questions about a man who was the power behind the SNP or not and if they dont what is the point in having them. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 5, 2023 13:11:55 GMT 1
As most of us expected, there was more than meets than eye about Saint Nich's 'surprise' resignation. So perhaps this is what tipped the balance. Who knows. But I think its becoming clear that the "burnt out" bit was just a bit of a ruse. |
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