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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 22:29:36 GMT 1
I've never really understood why he doesn't stick the youth team on the bench. Is it really better to have empty spaces? I've never really understood why we have anyone on the bench ;-)
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Post by kenwood on Aug 16, 2022 22:37:53 GMT 1
I've never really understood why he doesn't stick the youth team on the bench. Is it really better to have empty spaces? I've never really understood why we have anyone on the bench ;-) I don’t know why we even bother having a “ bench “ .
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 16, 2022 22:49:28 GMT 1
You would back Leahy to get a shot from the hallway line on target more often than not!
Great awareness from the lad who I though was the best player on the pitch tonight.
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 16, 2022 22:53:06 GMT 1
Fantastic effort from the poor 11 sods who are surely dead on their feet.
We could, and should, have won it in the last few minutes but it would have been another slight robbery. We defended so, so well but Derby clearly still dominated the game overall, albeit they didn’t often break down our very defensive set up.
This message board would be a very moody place had Derby scored their one on one or the one from an angle late on. We did invite a lot of a pressure but today it worked.
Good point. Good week.
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Post by JohnG on Aug 16, 2022 22:53:59 GMT 1
Defence certainly is looking good. Just not enough goals to make town a proper decent league one side at the moment. And lack of options off the bench is furthering that. Deja Vu from last season! Needs to be addressed. But credit to the 11 tonight, superb effort and a thoroughly well deserved point.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 16, 2022 23:06:10 GMT 1
town really need to stregthen the squad ,you cant expect the defence to keep this up all season, the midfield need sorting and they must learn to hold up the ball and improve there distribution ,to take some pressuer off the defence and help set up some attacks, otherwise the defence will have to absorb a lot of pressuer which is physically and mentally tiering and the forwards will have very little to work with.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 16, 2022 23:08:46 GMT 1
That was a quality second half performance. Silenced the Derby fans and caused their manager to make four subs. Udoh won't sleep much tonight over his late miss. Only thing that annoyed me a bit tonight was our corners. Didn't seem overly threatening and what's the point of two of them standing by the ball? Leahy and Bayliss, they seem to threaten some short corner routine but then bang the ball in and we have two players out of position instead of one.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 23:14:08 GMT 1
That was a quality second half performance. Silenced the Derby fans and caused their manager to make four subs. Udoh won't sleep much tonight over his late miss. Only thing that annoyed me a bit tonight was our corners. Didn't seem overly threatening and what's the point of two of them standing by the ball? Leahy and Bayliss, they seem to threaten some short corner routine but then bang the ball in and we have two players out of position instead of one. i thought the same , 2 on 1 and we didn't try it short once, managers orders no doubt ,
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Post by block12massive on Aug 16, 2022 23:14:16 GMT 1
I know football is a game of opinions but I felt like I watched a slightly different game to everyone else.
Definitely encouraging signs and you can't fault the work ethic. For 20 mins after half time we were the better side but I just wish we showed a bit more appetite.
25% possession, no subs used and time wasting from about 60 minutes onwards is a bit cheap for me when we're the home side. It felt a bit like we were playing for a lucrative replay in the FA Cup. Derby are probably better than your average recently relegated side at this level by virtue of the fact they dropped out of the Championship on a technicality but I don't exactly expect them to set the world alight on tonight's reckoning.
They could pass the hind legs of a donkey but actually when it came to the business end they looked distinctly average. The arrogance of their short-sleeved Neuer wannabe goalkeeper playing pretty much as a sweeper deserved to be punished by that long range Leahy effort.
Not being able to fill a bench on match day 4 is a worrying sign. Udoh looked like the Udoh of two seasons ago and I don't think has returned to full fitness.
A notable mention to Bayliss who I thought ran his socks off but every one of them deserves credit for putting a shift in.
It's a good point all in all but I don't think we can afford to be so defensive minded on Saturday against Ipswich.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 16, 2022 23:16:17 GMT 1
Derby had 81% possession !!!!!!!! in the first half town ran themselves ragged trying to get the ball as good as Derby are on the ball they created very little and i can only recall two saves. if they wont go back up they are going to have to improve in front of goal.
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Post by freshprinceofbellevu on Aug 16, 2022 23:17:42 GMT 1
Throughly enjoyed that match despite the feeling we could have won that game. Specially given the chance we had right at the end and a “swing and a miss” from a otherwise decent Pyke. Thought he put a real shift in and whilst scoring a goal still seems a way off for him he seems to have confidence which has done him the world of good
Thought da Costa had another cracking game going forward but occasionally left his man free on the wing
And I thought Shipley looked a bit off the pace, similar to carlise. Waiting to see the best of him.
Finally for the benefit of those less enlightened then me, no it was not a penalty at the end.
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Post by AlisonS on Aug 16, 2022 23:28:28 GMT 1
Cracking game and a great atmosphere. Lots to enjoy tonight
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 16, 2022 23:36:13 GMT 1
An enjoyable game even if there were a lot of twitchy moments with our rope-a-dope style. Derby's passing was impressive and we put together a few nice moves of our own, but we don't seem to know what to do once we are within twenty yards of goal.
Bayliss looks to be great signing. Leahy and Dacosta played well too.
A decent point. Let's hope there's enough time for this XI to recover for Ipswich.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 16, 2022 23:53:29 GMT 1
See Grimsby v Carlisle was abandoned at 39 mins due to waterlogged pitch.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 23:57:10 GMT 1
Derby had 81% possession !!!!!!!! in the first half town ran themselves ragged trying to get the ball as good as Derby are on the ball they created very little and i can only recall two saves. if they wont go back up they are going to have to improve in front of goal. we haven't bothered with possession stats for about 2 years , used to be quite a talking point , suddenly stopped 😜
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 17, 2022 0:09:39 GMT 1
Decent game overall, both sides had chances they should gave put away so draw probably a fair result.
Can't see us sustaining that for 90 mins on Saturday though unless the plan is to rest Udoh and maybe Bayliss and Pyke and give Bowman, Moore and Bloxham the 90 on Saturday?
Feels like tonight was probably more winnable than Saturday but overall you'd probably have taken 4 pts from these 3 games last Friday so can't complain too much.
5 pts better off (and 2 goals) than we were this time last season.
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Post by blueboy48 on Aug 17, 2022 0:58:30 GMT 1
Should we of had a penalty in the last minute…? No. No, a clear dive by Da Costa. I thought he may have been booked as he showed a card to a Derby player near the corner flag earlier. Thought the officials did really well tonight but both teams played the game in a good spirit throughout (apart from the two dives).
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Post by blueboy48 on Aug 17, 2022 1:02:11 GMT 1
That was a quality second half performance. Silenced the Derby fans and caused their manager to make four subs. Udoh won't sleep much tonight over his late miss. Only thing that annoyed me a bit tonight was our corners. Didn't seem overly threatening and what's the point of two of them standing by the ball? Leahy and Bayliss, they seem to threaten some short corner routine but then bang the ball in and we have two players out of position instead of one. It drags a defender out of the box to create more space.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Aug 17, 2022 6:26:44 GMT 1
Pyke should be happy with his efforts last night.
Seemed to win a fair few headers & his general hold up play was decent.
When he span his man on the wing in the first half and got in behind it was just such a shame he stopped and looked to get rid of it immediately - with confidence he takes it to the line ,
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Post by secretshrew on Aug 17, 2022 6:33:00 GMT 1
Really good game to watch and couldn’t take your eyes off it. I think a draw on reflection was about right given Derby’s possession & our chances. Don’t forget Derby have also had an overhaul so are finding their feet a bit too. I definitely think they’ll be thereabouts at the end of the season. For me Leahy was MOTM. He worked his nuts off. We’re a fickle old bunch as footy fan’s - compared to last season we’ve started really well yet but we still find reasons to moan despite most of us probably taking a point before the game!😊
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Aug 17, 2022 7:09:45 GMT 1
Yes Derby had 70+% of the game, but 30% of that was passing along the back line in their own half. Thoroughly enjoyed the match. Marosi made two excellent saves, but Leahy was man of the match for me.
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Post by secretshrew on Aug 17, 2022 7:16:40 GMT 1
Any tech wizards know how to stop the video highlights being automatically entered into my iPhone calendar? I add the games into calendar via Shrewsbury Town website which obviously automatically subscribes me to these videos. Boils my wee.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 17, 2022 8:03:51 GMT 1
Derby had the lion's share of possession because they spent a lot of it passing sideways and backwards. I thought if we had been more clinical instead of wildly lashing at the ball in front of goal, (get well soon, Aiden), we could have Juan it. Lots of positives to take from the game. Just need the injured players back and 2 or 3 additions and we'll be sound as a pound.
I promise you, the best is still to come.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 17, 2022 8:10:59 GMT 1
I think for the first half the BBC had it down as 80%. For the 90 minutes they have it at 25% (as for sure we got back into it second half). This is why I can't get on board with the idea that this was a decent performance. Great work rate as ever, can't fault that. But when you have so little possession at home in the league then I think something's not right, something's not working.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 8:17:03 GMT 1
I know football is a game of opinions but I felt like I watched a slightly different game to everyone else. I must admit that I've been surprised at all the positivity from last night, of course I'm not moaning about people being positive but when I see people saying it was an entertaining game, I thought completely different, particularly first half where it was a non event and a glorified attack v defenders training session. I completely agree that it felt like we were playing a big Prem side in the FA Cup where we were happy to let them have the ball, they have some decent players and will certainly be up there but they are just a fellow L1 side now and it would have been nice to have got in their faces a bit more, when we showed some attacking intent in the second half we looked dangerous, we just didn't do enough of it. But if we didn't know it already, that will be our style of place, particularly against the bigger sides, sit back, let them have the ball and try and break us down, our best chances of a goal will be from set pieces, a counter attack or late on when we are banking on our superior fitness coming into play. A nice theory but when the opposition are making 5 subs and we are making none then I'm not sure if it will work. However, had we scored late on then we would all be saying it was a masterclass in tactics from SC. Incidentally, thats 4 games played, we have scored in one of them and the goals were from a throw in and a penalty. Free flowing, entertaining football certainly isn't on the cards this season
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Post by thesalmon on Aug 17, 2022 8:23:27 GMT 1
That was a quality second half performance. Silenced the Derby fans and caused their manager to make four subs. Udoh won't sleep much tonight over his late miss. Only thing that annoyed me a bit tonight was our corners. Didn't seem overly threatening and what's the point of two of them standing by the ball? Leahy and Bayliss, they seem to threaten some short corner routine but then bang the ball in and we have two players out of position instead of one. i thought the same , 2 on 1 and we didn't try it short once, managers orders no doubt , Pretty sure we worked a short one out to nurse edge of the box who fired one in and it hit Pennington on the head and went over. Also tried the same routine in a previous game
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Post by thesalmon on Aug 17, 2022 8:32:49 GMT 1
I think for the first half the BBC had it down as 80%. For the 90 minutes they have it at 25% (as for sure we got back into it second half). This is why I can't get on board with the idea that this was a decent performance. Great work rate as ever, can't fault that. But when you have so little possession at home in the league then I think something's not right, something's not working. I can't agree with this. It was an excellent performance from salop (minus the finishing), top defending and tactical pressing. Derby have better ball players than us so if we went head to head and tried to control the ball and out pass them then we would have lost Cotteril got his tactics pretty much bang on by letting them pass it around their back line and then Salop trigger pressing which resulted in Derby recycling the ball. It worked a treat and nullified them. 2nd half we had more of a go than 1st so your kinda right there I would have liked to have seen a bit more attacking impetus from nurse down the left mind. Only negative for me is we had no players on the bench to bring in which is not good 4 games in!!
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Post by harboroughshrew on Aug 17, 2022 8:38:58 GMT 1
This is a really good match thread and, like most, I thought that despite our lack of possession it was a pretty entertaining match. It felt like a cup tie against a higher league side and our back three were magnificent but you cant expect them to be flawless every game and that will be the problem for us this season unless we can improve in midfield and upfront. I think Bayliss has a great engine and will turn out to be a good signing but he needs to play the percentage pass sometimes instead of trying the Hail Mary pass every time. Shipley is a bit of a worry - he works hard but looks to be lacking in confidence at the moment though he should be able to get back to his best with more games. Pyke has done enough to be retained as a squad player this season and when Udoh finds his shooting boots again we will have a good League 1 striker especially when we can pair him with Bowman or O'Brien. As for Derby they gave off the air of a team who thought they were far too good for this league but the way they try to play the ball out of their defence in their own penalty area and the ridiculous positioning of their goalkeeper far up the field (making say Dean Henderson look like a line keeper) will cost them quite a few goals this season. However any team that bring quality like McGoldrick off the bench must surely be in the mix for promotion from League 1 at the end of the season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 17, 2022 8:47:07 GMT 1
I think for the first half the BBC had it down as 80%. For the 90 minutes they have it at 25% (as for sure we got back into it second half). This is why I can't get on board with the idea that this was a decent performance. Great work rate as ever, can't fault that. But when you have so little possession at home in the league then I think something's not right, something's not working. I can't agree with this. It was an excellent performance from salop (minus the finishing), top defending and tactical pressing. Sure, its all about opinions. But 20% possession in 45 minutes at home against a fellow 3rd division side for me isn't good enough. For me it was far from an excellent performance. Great work rate as ever, mind. I think we need to improve and then some in order to avoid getting ourselves involved in a relegation scrap again. Agree about the subs though.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 17, 2022 8:53:53 GMT 1
Providing that isn't the tactic when we play the likes of Fleetwood and Morecambe at home I have no issues!
Thought it was well planned and well executed last night against a team that probably cost £100m+ total in their careers.
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