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Post by MartinB on Aug 26, 2022 8:37:28 GMT 1
He thought "get public to vote, they will vote to stay and that solves my issue" They certainly misjudged the mood of the country for sure. However, there were a number of reasons as to why people voted for Brexit and one of those was to see immigration managed differently. And I have no doubt that was in no small part because of the population increase that the UK (or rather England) had seen since 2004...đ On immigration sadly a part of the population voted for Brexit "to keep the blacks from Africa" out of England. That section of the public really are that thick |
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Post by kp on Aug 26, 2022 8:38:54 GMT 1
Good to see you siding with one of your betes noir:- After the report was issued, Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the opposition and leader of the Labour Party - who had voted against military action - gave a speech in Westminster stating: "I now apologise sincerely on behalf of my party for the disastrous decision to go to war in Iraq in March 2003" which he called an "act of military aggression launched on a false pretext" something that has "long been regarded as illegal by the overwhelming weight of international opinion".[56] Corbyn specifically apologised to "the people of Iraq"; to the families of British soldiers who died in Iraq or returned injured; and to "the millions of British citizens who feel our democracy was traduced and undermined by the way in which the decision to go to war was taken on" Anybody with a beating heart knew it was the wrong decision. However the Comrade is one step further in that he sides with terrorist organisations and is a sympathiser. It's one thing lying about the extent of terrorist organisations, getting in bed with the barstewards is another. Thankfully those with sense voted to keep Comrade away from front line politics, an incredibly sensible choice. Yeah, just imagine the mess we would be in now. Like just imagine how ill you would have been without your booster... |
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Post by MartinB on Aug 26, 2022 8:39:47 GMT 1
That's the one who will do and say anything to progress her own career. We are heading for another PM with only their interests and that of their mates at heart. I don't actually get too much of that vibe from Truss. My concern is whether she is able to deliver on what she wants for the country. It's her abilities that concern me, whether she has what is needed to become PM (or rather make a good PM). Just not sure about that... I do. My view comes from all the statements about she didn't agree with so many of the things the current Government she is part of did because it sounds good now. Also realised would never become a Prime Minister as a Lib Dem so became a Tory. |
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Post by kp on Aug 26, 2022 8:40:05 GMT 1
Just to chime in I'd take Blair back in a heartbeat over Johnson, countries been downhill since he left office. Thousands upon thousands were murdered on his watch under his instruction and the entire middle east is a mess, does that not bother you in the slightest? For all Boris' failures, and there's plenty of them; he's not even close on the level of disgrace of that of Blair. Blair should be tried as a war criminal, he's a horrendous individual. Remind me...how did the motion get carried? Did the opposition vote against, or was that just Comrade, Comrade? |
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Post by kp on Aug 26, 2022 8:47:53 GMT 1
I can hate his foreign policy but love his domestic policy. The two aren't exclusive. I can't be loving this aspect of his domestic policy: theconversation.com/the-huge-political-cost-of-blairs-decision-to-allow-eastern-european-migrants-unfettered-access-to-britain-66077To understand why Britain became so opposed to migration from the EU, itâs key to understand a decision made by the Labour government in 2004, which has had lasting political repercussions. In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states â the majority from Central and Eastern Europe â in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately. Although ten countries became EU member states in 2004, attention focused on the âA8 countriesâ. These were Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didnât. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate. In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain. In 2007, 112,000 A8 nationals entered. Come June 23 2016, the British public decided by a slim majority that the benefits of EU membership did not outweigh the costs, and for many the perceived cost of free movement was the deciding factor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said. The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up". Labour relied on research suggesting 13,000 migrants a year would arrive. But the influx was much larger than expected and contributed to net migration rising above 200,000 a year. Unlike France and Germany, which did not give migrants from the ten countries which joined the EU in May 2004 full access to their labour market until 2011, the then Labour government did not insist on any transitional controls. Ironically this was at the behest of business leaders, you see all the cheap labour was good for any business owner who wanted to keep the errant British prole in check. A classic conservative policy, as were many of Blairs such as the disastrous PFIs. Like Thatcher said, Blair was her greatest achievement. |
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Post by kp on Aug 26, 2022 8:50:56 GMT 1
Regarding Truss, do you think what we see from her is her real true persona? I just wonder at times whether she is being herself, whether we are seeing the real Liz Truss or whether its an act she feels she needs to project in order to appeal (whether she is tough, for example). I appreciate there is always a lot of that within politics but I just don't know how genuine she is. That this is still ongoing and taking so long is another matter but it does looks as though she will be the next PM. I wish her all the very best anyhow. Its one hell of a time to be taking over the reins. I think we know the real Liz Truss. That's the one who will do and say anything to progress her own career. We are heading for another PM with only their interests and that of their mates at heart. They are all at the behest of lobbyists. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2022 8:59:16 GMT 1
I don't actually get too much of that vibe from Truss. My concern is whether she is able to deliver on what she wants for the country. It's her abilities that concern me, whether she has what is needed to become PM (or rather make a good PM). Just not sure about that... I do. My view comes from all the statements about she didn't agree with so many of the things the current Government she is part of did because it sounds good now. Also realised would never become a Prime Minister as a Lib Dem so became a Tory. OK. Well its all about opinions isn't it.  |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2022 9:15:49 GMT 1
They certainly misjudged the mood of the country for sure. However, there were a number of reasons as to why people voted for Brexit and one of those was to see immigration managed differently. And I have no doubt that was in no small part because of the population increase that the UK (or rather England) had seen since 2004...đ On immigration sadly a part of the population voted for Brexit "to keep the blacks from Africa" out of England. That section of the public really are that thick People were concerned with the population increase seen since 2004. And it was a considerable increase, an unprecedented increase. As a result many wanted to see the scale of immigration addressed and immigration managed differently. The population of the UK increased by over 6 million between 2001 and the referendum in 2016. That was always going to influence on how people voted. Many deemed it too much, too quick. Many have concerns about the social impacts and the impact on services and infrastructure. Blair really did misjudge things back in 2004 and here we are. Looking to what is posted above it seems at least one of his former colleagues within the party understand the "spectacular mistake" made. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Aug 26, 2022 9:23:59 GMT 1
That's the one who will do and say anything to progress her own career. We are heading for another PM with only their interests and that of their mates at heart. I don't actually get too much of that vibe from Truss. My concern is whether she is able to deliver on what she wants for the country. It's her abilities that concern me, whether she has what is needed to become PM (or rather make a good PM). Just not sure about that... Is the real Liz Truss a Lib Dem, A Tory Remainer or the current one? Or even "a plain speaking Yorkshire Woman" from Oxford? |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2022 9:26:33 GMT 1
On immigration sadly a part of the population voted for Brexit "to keep the blacks from Africa" out of England. That section of the public really are that thick People were concerned with the population increase seen since 2004. And it was a considerable increase, an unprecedented increase. As a result many wanted to see the scale of immigration addressed and immigration managed differently. The population of the UK increased by over 6 million between 2001 and the referendum in 2016. That was always going to influence on how people voted. Many deemed it too much, too quick. Many have concerns about the social impacts and the impact on services and infrastructure. Blair really did misjudge things back in 2004 and here we are. Looking to what is posted above it seems at least one of his former colleagues within the party understand the "spectacular mistake" made. But no mistake as far as Lord Mandelson was concerned. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.htmlLabour sent out âsearch partiesâ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted. In a stunning confirmation that the Blair and Brown governments deliberately engineered mass immigration, the former Cabinet Minister and spin doctor said New Labour sought out foreign workers. He also conceded that the influx of arrivals meant the partyâs traditional supporters were unable to find work. Lord Mandelsonâs remarks came three years after Labour officials denied claims by former adviser Andrew Neather that they deliberately encouraged immigration in order to change the make-up of Britain. Mr Neather said the policy was designed to ârub the Rightâs nose in diversityâ. He said there was âa driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multiculturalâ. Senior Labour figures have been reluctant to concede they deliberately engineered the influx of migrants who have transformed communities over the past decade. Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch said: âThis is an astonishing admission from the highest level that Labourâs mass immigration policy was entirely deliberate. âIt will be a very long time before their own working class supporters forgive them for the enormous changes that have been imposed on their communities.â |
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 26, 2022 9:33:26 GMT 1
People were concerned with the population increase seen since 2004. And it was a considerable increase, an unprecedented increase. As a result many wanted to see the scale of immigration addressed and immigration managed differently. The population of the UK increased by over 6 million between 2001 and the referendum in 2016. That was always going to influence on how people voted. Many deemed it too much, too quick. Many have concerns about the social impacts and the impact on services and infrastructure. Blair really did misjudge things back in 2004 and here we are. Looking to what is posted above it seems at least one of his former colleagues within the party understand the "spectacular mistake" made. But no mistake as far as Lord Mandelson was concerned. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324112/Lord-Mandelson-Immigrants-We-sent-search-parties-hard-Britons-work.htmlLabour sent out âsearch partiesâ for immigrants to get them to come to the UK, Lord Mandelson has admitted. In a stunning confirmation that the Blair and Brown governments deliberately engineered mass immigration, the former Cabinet Minister and spin doctor said New Labour sought out foreign workers. He also conceded that the influx of arrivals meant the partyâs traditional supporters were unable to find work. Lord Mandelsonâs remarks came three years after Labour officials denied claims by former adviser Andrew Neather that they deliberately encouraged immigration in order to change the make-up of Britain. Mr Neather said the policy was designed to ârub the Rightâs nose in diversityâ. He said there was âa driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multiculturalâ. Senior Labour figures have been reluctant to concede they deliberately engineered the influx of migrants who have transformed communities over the past decade. Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch said: âThis is an astonishing admission from the highest level that Labourâs mass immigration policy was entirely deliberate. âIt will be a very long time before their own working class supporters forgive them for the enormous changes that have been imposed on their communities.â Next election could be the first time in two decades that they start to forgive Labour. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2022 9:35:14 GMT 1
I don't actually get too much of that vibe from Truss. My concern is whether she is able to deliver on what she wants for the country. It's her abilities that concern me, whether she has what is needed to become PM (or rather make a good PM). Just not sure about that... Is the real Liz Truss a Lib Dem, A Tory Remainer or the current one? Or even "a plain speaking Yorkshire Woman" from Oxford? I think that's a different discussion to the one we are having. But to answer your question I'm not sure we do know and that is why I question how genuine she is. But at the minute, from what I see, I have more concerns about her ability than her character. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2022 9:42:42 GMT 1
People were concerned with the population increase seen since 2004. And it was a considerable increase, an unprecedented increase. As a result many wanted to see the scale of immigration addressed and immigration managed differently. The population of the UK increased by over 6 million between 2001 and the referendum in 2016. That was always going to influence on how people voted. Many deemed it too much, too quick. Many have concerns about the social impacts and the impact on services and infrastructure. Blair really did misjudge things back in 2004 and here we are. Looking to what is posted above it seems at least one of his former colleagues within the party understand the "spectacular mistake" made. He also conceded that the influx of arrivals meant the partyâs traditional supporters were unable to find work. Hence why the working class started to turn their back on the Labour party. Pretty sure when you look to information available it was at this time that many who normally voted for Labour simply abstained and then subsequently started to drift to UKIP. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2022 9:45:44 GMT 1
Next election could be the first time in two decades that they start to forgive Labour. That's only because the Tories have totally failed to control immigration. As far as I can see, the number one reason why so many voted for Brexit was not about 'taking back control', it was not about the constitution, it was not about getting rid of E.U. Laws, it was not about the ability to negotiate new trade deals. It was primarily concerns about mass immigration and its effect on our infrastructure. Opinion polls confirm this. ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CSI-Brexit-4-People%E2%80%99s-Stated-Reasons-for-Voting-Leave.pdf |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 26, 2022 11:11:54 GMT 1
Next election could be the first time in two decades that they start to forgive Labour. That's only because the Tories have totally failed to control immigration. As far as I can see, the number one reason why so many voted for Brexit was not about 'taking back control', it was not about the constitution, it was not about getting rid of E.U. Laws, it was not about the ability to negotiate new trade deals. It was primarily concerns about mass immigration and its effect on our infrastructure. Opinion polls confirm this. ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/CSI-Brexit-4-People%E2%80%99s-Stated-Reasons-for-Voting-Leave.pdfThere are some good figures in immigration and migration on this site, which support the idea immigration levels have been pretty consistant over the last 10 years and indeed are likely to rise significantly in coming years as we start to encourage more none EU workers to the UK as less EU workers come here. Its also included in a lot of the emerging new trade deals being discussed migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/Its going to be a tricky issue for future governments as increasing immigration is one was to expand the economy and meet skill gaps in the economy, but is not popular with voters. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2022 18:01:20 GMT 1
Stratospheric energy bills will 'completely wipe out incomes' for low earners.
Low-income families are facing âstratospheric energy billsâ that will completely wipe out their incomes, shocking new analysis from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation shows.
The JRF has calculated that the average low-income family will pay four and a half times more for energy in 2023/24 compared to 2021/22, based on the latest forecasts for energy bills from Cornwall Insight.
Single parents will hand over almost two thirds of their income after housing costs, creating a very real risk that their children will go hungry.
And some single adults will see their finances wiped out by stratospheric energy bills that make up almost 120% of their income after housing costs, leaving many destitute â forced to cut down on energy just to meet bills, with âno money whatsoever left over for food or other essentialsâ.
Peter Matejic, chief enalyst at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, says significant help is needed, fast.
âIn all my years as an analyst, I havenât double-checked a piece of analysis as much as this one because it is so staggering, it feels incorrect.
It is impossible to think a care worker or a shop assistant will have to scramble to find hundreds more pounds to pay for their heating or that the entirety of someoneâs income for a whole year will be less than their energy bill. But thatâs what these figures suggest will be the case unless significant further steps are taken quickly.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2022 18:20:24 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/26/energy-bills-britons-afford-pay-price-hike-poorThe sixth-richest country in the world faces a winter of humanitarian crisis. Unless the government acts now, millions of Britons will be unable to keep their homes warm. Some will die while, as the NHS warns, many more will fall seriously ill. Schools, hospitals and care homes across the country must choose between busting their budgets or freezing. Countless shops and businesses will close, never to open again. More than 70% of pubs are preparing for last orders, while any restaurant, cafe, chippy or kebab shop must now face existential threat, thanks to a quadrupling of their energy bills, surging food prices and a recession that will kill discretionary spending. As economic catastrophes go, this looks far bigger than the 2008 crash. It promises to reshape our everyday lives and social fabric. That is the meaning of todayâs statement from the watchdog Ofgem. The new price cap of ÂŁ3,549 it has set for household energy bills is almost triple that of last winter, and for many it is simply unaffordable. When it kicks in, at the start of October, 25% of Britons will not be able to pay their fuel bills. This is a country ruled by group think, when the group in question is a bunch of well-raised and nicely suited mediocrities. Organisations mired in group think eventually fail, and so it is with the UK. We have a market unable to deliver an essential commodity at a price that people can afford, which is therefore broken. We have a rail network that is effectively carrion feasted on by financial vultures and foreign states. And we have a water industry that is quite literally a s**t show. All of this has been clear for years, as indeed has the cost of living crisis, steadily growing during the past decade of stagnant wages. Yet no one in mainstream politics or policy seems capable of thinking up any ideas that are not more of the same.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 26, 2022 18:44:58 GMT 1
Time to get out of bed with the likes of China before there's another disaster.
We need to rely on no single country for anything.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2022 19:06:03 GMT 1
A Tory MP who switched to Truss from another candidate said they felt âdisappointed with the lack of focus on what matters to peopleâ and acknowledged they had mostly backed her because she looked likely to win.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 26, 2022 19:08:54 GMT 1
Indeed it does. Everything.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2022 9:57:48 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 27, 2022 10:01:37 GMT 1
He was on the radio yesterday completely blaming the energy crisis on Putin yet the energy companyâs were going under last year and the forecasts for massive increases were made in January 3 months before Russia attacked. Hasnât helped and making it worse but not the main reason. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2022 12:17:25 GMT 1
"How can I pay my landlord's mortgage now?" A banner at a protest today outside Ofgem's HQ.
That in a sentence encapsulates two of the major problems facing us at the moment - the cost of living crisis and the housing market, where buy to let has accelerated house prices to make them unaffordable for many, and a whole generation is obliged to pay rents far above the amounts charged by Housing Associations or Councils.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 27, 2022 13:04:21 GMT 1
"How can I pay my landlord's mortgage now?" A banner at a protest today outside Ofgem's HQ. That in a sentence encapsulates two of the major problems facing us at the moment - the cost of living crisis and the housing market, where buy to let has accelerated house prices to make them unaffordable for many, and a whole generation is obliged to pay rents far above the amounts charged by Housing Associations or Councils. i was walking to copthorne post office and the fairly recent development they built were the mocro brewery was , there was just a row of to rent signs, a few years back when the MOD sold there houses on shorncliff drive most of which were snapped really quickly for the buy to let as most were put to rent a few days later. so you have no chance. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2022 13:23:36 GMT 1
"How can I pay my landlord's mortgage now?" A banner at a protest today outside Ofgem's HQ. That in a sentence encapsulates two of the major problems facing us at the moment - the cost of living crisis and the housing market, where buy to let has accelerated house prices to make them unaffordable for many, and a whole generation is obliged to pay rents far above the amounts charged by Housing Associations or Councils. i was walking to copthorne post office and the fairly recent development they built were the mocro brewery was , there was just a row of to rent signs, a few years back when the MOD sold there houses on shorncliff drive most of which were snapped really quickly for the buy to let as most were put to rent a few days later. so you have no chance. As far as I'm concerned, 'buy to let' has got totally out of control, allows exploitation in the form of high rents and also results in severe reduction of available housing stock for sale to those who want to live in houses rather than rent them out. 40% of the Council Houses sold off under Thatcher are now in the hands of private landlords. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2022 13:53:07 GMT 1
Private renting has been precarious and expensive for years now, but the cost-of-living crisis is stretching incomes â and making landlords panic. Evictions are already up 39 per cent in the last three months, and, compared to the same quarter in 2021, landlord possession claims have increased by 160 per cent from 6,997 to 18,201.
So, it doesnât require much magical thinking to imagine what might happen if inflation hits 18 per cent next year, as has been predicted: more evictions, more homelessness.
At present, the Government appears to have no intention of considering rent control in any form for private renters.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 27, 2022 16:19:12 GMT 1
Private renting has been precarious and expensive for years now, but the cost-of-living crisis is stretching incomes â and making landlords panic. Evictions are already up 39 per cent in the last three months, and, compared to the same quarter in 2021, landlord possession claims have increased by 160 per cent from 6,997 to 18,201. So, it doesnât require much magical thinking to imagine what might happen if inflation hits 18 per cent next year, as has been predicted: more evictions, more homelessness. At present, the Government appears to have no intention of considering rent control in any form for private renters. The i. hardly a suprise the goverment have stuck there head in hte sand and ignored this problem |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 27, 2022 16:24:52 GMT 1
Is the real Liz Truss a Lib Dem, A Tory Remainer or the current one? Or even "a plain speaking Yorkshire Woman" from Oxford? I think that's a different discussion to the one we are having. But to answer your question I'm not sure we do know and that is why I question how genuine she is. But at the minute, from what I see, I have more concerns about her ability than her character. she has insulted sturgeon and macron im not a fan of either but i dont think been rude to your neighbours is that smart before you have even got the job. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 27, 2022 16:26:44 GMT 1
Private renting has been precarious and expensive for years now, but the cost-of-living crisis is stretching incomes â and making landlords panic. Evictions are already up 39 per cent in the last three months, and, compared to the same quarter in 2021, landlord possession claims have increased by 160 per cent from 6,997 to 18,201. So, it doesnât require much magical thinking to imagine what might happen if inflation hits 18 per cent next year, as has been predicted: more evictions, more homelessness. At present, the Government appears to have no intention of considering rent control in any form for private renters. The i. it will only get worse the cost of living crisis is hurting most people but as usual, the people on low income and the elderly will feel it worse, whilst the rich get richer. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2022 12:01:07 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/money/2022/aug/28/bidding-wars-cash-up-front-and-auditions-inside-britains-broken-renting-marketBidding wars, cash up-front and âauditionsâ â inside Britainâs broken renting market. For those without a safety net, the spiralling prices can have devastating consequences. Homelessness rates are now higher than they were before the pandemic in two-fifths of local authorities, according to data from the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities. Shelter, the homelessness charity, says enquiries from people seeking advice on emergency support with their rent have risen 177% since the start of the year, from 8,195 between January and March to 22,677 in the three months to the end of July. People in receipt of housing benefit, who often experience difficulty finding places to rent in the first place, are at the greatest risk. Vicky Hines, Shelterâs strategic lead for the West Midlands, said the October energy price cap rise to ÂŁ3,549 a year meant things were set to get worse as people juggled rent with living costs. She said people would be forced into temporary accommodation. Sophie Delamothe from campaign group Generation Rent called on the government to take urgent action, including introducing âa rent freeze right nowâ and a pause on no-fault evictions and evictions for rent arrears. âThere was action during the pandemic, so why not now?â she said. âI donât think weâve seen the worst of it yet.â One of the pillars holding up growth is the property market. House price increases may have slowed in many areas, but they remain positive and continue to drive up values in coastal hotspots and desirable towns and suburbs to record highs. Rents in the residential sector are also growing after a brief dip during the pandemic. Across the country, letting agents are so busy that their soaring commissions threaten to match the growth in mega-bonuses paid to investment bankers and private equity executives. Like the energy market, the property market is now well and truly rigged in favour of the owners and against their customers. Average monthly rents are now 40% higher than they were 10 years ago. After 12 years of Tory rule, it is yet another economic statistic that brings shame on the government. www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/27/property-owners-hold-all-the-cards-hard-luck-everyone-else
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