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Post by armchairfan on Mar 31, 2022 15:45:48 GMT 1
Hell's teeth....do we now ban the works of Tchaikovsky, and many internationally respected Russian authors? Do we ban "ring a ring o'roses" from the school playground because of its ( albeit false) links with the Plague, because of Covid.....
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Post by severnaside on Mar 31, 2022 15:51:01 GMT 1
I'm only surprised in this age of 'wokery' that they have been playing it at all.
Surely someone must have mentioned by now the poor Germans who were killed when the dams were burst?
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 31, 2022 15:52:41 GMT 1
Hell's teeth....do we now ban the works of Tchaikovsky, and many internationally respected Russian authors? Do we ban "ring a ring o'roses" from the school playground because of its ( albeit false) links with the Plague, because of Covid..... No but maybe things that are associated to wars and bombings of civilians in particular…. Don’t agree but it does no harm….
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Post by Pilch on Mar 31, 2022 16:03:00 GMT 1
I suppose a Ukrainian just arriving in Lincoln needs to hear this like a hole in the head
awkward, probably respectful by Lincoln I say, although the dambusters raid also has some dark facts, over 50 brits killed and well over 1000 civilians drowned
I suppose another case of can't please anyone any of the time
is that sexist ? racist ? damish ?
someone will point a gun at me
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 31, 2022 16:35:53 GMT 1
Hell's teeth....do we now ban the works of Tchaikovsky, and many internationally respected Russian authors? Do we ban "ring a ring o'roses" from the school playground because of its ( albeit false) links with the Plague, because of Covid..... No but maybe things that are associated to wars and bombings of civilians in particular…. Don’t agree but it does no harm…. I happen to disagree that "it does no harm" - not that that should be the benchmark anyway - it is wholly irrational, insofar as such over-reactions make no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. What it does do, however, is diminish the whole living experience, by removing one part of that experience - it is akin to rewriting history, by removing those things with which we may, from time to time disagree. What has happened has happened, for good or ill; any attempts to deny or gloss over are fraught with danger and subject to the whims of whatever happens to be the current and fleeting "flavour of the day". Anyway, this is far O/T. I have offered my opinion.
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Post by wookeywombat on Mar 31, 2022 16:44:29 GMT 1
No but maybe things that are associated to wars and bombings of civilians in particular…. Don’t agree but it does no harm…. I happen to disagree that "it does no harm" - not that that should be the benchmark anyway - it is wholly irrational, insofar as such over-reactions make no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. What it does do, however, is diminish the whole living experience, by removing one part of that experience - it is akin to rewriting history, by removing those things with which we may, from time to time disagree. What has happened has happened, for good or ill; any attempts to deny or gloss over are fraught with danger and subject to the whims of whatever happens to be the current and fleeting "flavour of the day". Anyway, this is far O/T. I have offered my opinion. The Dambusters film gives us the infamous censoring the name of Guy Gibson's dog!! I have said this many times before that Talking Pictures overcome this on any film by saying that it represents a bygone age but may now cause offence.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 31, 2022 17:02:47 GMT 1
I happen to disagree that "it does no harm" - not that that should be the benchmark anyway - it is wholly irrational, insofar as such over-reactions make no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. What it does do, however, is diminish the whole living experience, by removing one part of that experience - it is akin to rewriting history, by removing those things with which we may, from time to time disagree. What has happened has happened, for good or ill; any attempts to deny or gloss over are fraught with danger and subject to the whims of whatever happens to be the current and fleeting "flavour of the day". Anyway, this is far O/T. I have offered my opinion. The Dambusters film gives us the infamous censoring the name of Guy Gibson's dog!! I have said this many times before that Talking Pictures overcome this on any film by saying that it represents a bygone age but may now cause offence. No dispute here - you are factually correct.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 31, 2022 17:39:06 GMT 1
And thinking about it again, the worst example of such idiotic faddishness was the digital removal of a cigar from a picture of a genuine British "great" Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 2, 2022 14:07:57 GMT 1
i dont expect any sanctions against China due to corporate greed were western companies moved there manufacturing to China to reduce costs and increase profits even companies like VW who claim to be an ethical company , we have all become dependent on chinese goods so i predict that NO countrys will impose sanctions on China for there support of the Russian invasion. will any countrys have the guts to move there manufacturing out of China , cetanly i do not expect any of them to criticize China because if they did they would lose all accses to the huge chines market. also countrys wont do it as it will impact on there economies just look what happened to Australia for daring to criticize China about covid and asking for an enquiery. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10678709/China-launched-huge-cyber-attack-Ukraine-days-Russia-invaded-Kyiv-intelligence-claims.html"Ukraine's intelligence agency confirmed Chinese cyber attacks before the war The Chinese reconnaissance attacks peaked the day before Russia's invasion Experts say the moves contradict Xi Jinping's claims to have not known about Vladimir Putin's invasion plans in advance If proven, the attacks could be seen as support for the Russian war effort and lead to sanctions on China"
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Apr 3, 2022 17:04:44 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 4, 2022 11:24:59 GMT 1
sadly i wont be suprised if the ukrainians find more mass graves, the russians have carried out rapes, executions of civilians, booby traping dead bodies, mutilating children, forced kidapining of civilians to russia. it is like we have gone back to WW2 on the Eastern Front.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 4, 2022 11:29:16 GMT 1
i would think the Ukranians would much rather they can get through the chines toture of getting a visa into the uk ,than the virtue signaling of Lincoln City
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 11:43:24 GMT 1
More shocking stories unfolding. There should be no hiding place for those who have perpetrated these evil acts, no matter how long it takes to bring them to justice. www.bbc.co.uk/news
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 4, 2022 16:44:25 GMT 1
Looks like Germany are the main ones in Europe stopping harsher sanctions going into place.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 4, 2022 16:54:58 GMT 1
US will push for Russia to be SUSPENDED from the UN Human rights council. the hypocrisy of the US and the UN when Jiang Duan was appointed to a seat on the Consultative Group of the United Nations Human Rights Council. Jiang Duan, is an official at the Chinese Mission in Geneva, for all the evils the russians have commited in Ukrain China has persecuted tibetans sine 1950 and the Uyghurs have been persecuted and subjected to acts of genocide and the UN and USA do nothing.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 4, 2022 17:46:01 GMT 1
US will push for Russia to be SUSPENDED from the UN Human rights council. the hypocrisy of the US and the UN when Jiang Duan was appointed to a seat on the Consultative Group of the United Nations Human Rights Council. Jiang Duan, is an official at the Chinese Mission in Geneva, for all the evils the russians have commited in Ukrain China has persecuted tibetans sine 1950 and the Uyghurs have been persecuted and subjected to acts of genocide and the UN and USA do nothing. You are, of course, quite right in what you say, and could have justifiably included the appointment of a Saudi Arabian (from memory) to a post on the UNHCR (!), but the shifting tectonic plates of geo-politics can rarely admit such "red lines", for a whole variety of reasons, political and economic self-interest among them: it is relatively easy (note the word "relatively") for the UK, for example, to agitate for the cessation of Russian imports of hydrocarbons, when it has a minimal dependency, but not quite as easy for Germany to go along with that, with those imports accounting for 40% of its energy requirements; we can only deal with the situation as it is now, at this moment in history, and not as we would have liked it to be, had we made different decisions many years ago - no amount of agonised hand-wringing can change that.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 4, 2022 18:36:34 GMT 1
As a not inconsiderable afterthought, the Russian concentration on the south and East of Ukraine is not only the result of a desire for the heavy industries in those parts, but also, and possibly more worryingly, the need for warm-weather ports for its navy; such would facilitate the growth of the Russian navy....
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 5, 2022 14:36:05 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Apr 5, 2022 14:47:31 GMT 1
this makes me laugh, well not that its a laughing matter, but its surely good news for everyone except Russia , we could be seeing images of futuristic fighting machines which would be worrying won't be long now before Putin is overthrown by his own side
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Post by martinshrew on Apr 5, 2022 15:02:26 GMT 1
this makes me laugh, well not that its a laughing matter, but its surely good news for everyone except Russia , we could be seeing images of futuristic fighting machines which would be worrying won't be long now before Putin is overthrown by his own side One things for certain, nobody will be afraid of them anymore.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 5, 2022 15:14:50 GMT 1
this makes me laugh, well not that its a laughing matter, but its surely good news for everyone except Russia , we could be seeing images of futuristic fighting machines which would be worrying won't be long now before Putin is overthrown by his own side One things for certain, nobody will be afraid of them anymore. Not sure about that. Why arnt we taking more direct military action if we're not scared of the consequences? The more defeats the Russians suffer the more dangerous they might become.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 5, 2022 15:23:57 GMT 1
As a not inconsiderable afterthought, the Russian concentration on the south and East of Ukraine is not only the result of a desire for the heavy industries in those parts, but also, and possibly more worryingly, the need for warm-weather ports for its navy; such would facilitate the growth of the Russian navy.... Im sure Russia would like back the warm weather ports they lost when the soviet union ended whilst Russia has a warm wather port in Syria it is not the best location consider what has hapened to Syria . im no military expert but the russians might also be trying to just stop the ukraine from having any sea ports at all, any imports would then get a lot more expensive
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 5, 2022 15:51:38 GMT 1
Find yourself in two minds about this and more so after the recent discoveries following the Russian withdrawals but looking to some of the Russians captured by Ukrainian troops (from footage you see on social media), they're kids.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 5, 2022 16:03:30 GMT 1
As a not inconsiderable afterthought, the Russian concentration on the south and East of Ukraine is not only the result of a desire for the heavy industries in those parts, but also, and possibly more worryingly, the need for warm-weather ports for its navy; such would facilitate the growth of the Russian navy.... Im sure Russia would like back the warm weather ports they lost when the soviet union ended whilst Russia has a warm wather port in Syria it is not the best location consider what has hapened to Syria . im no military expert but the russians might also be trying to just stop the ukraine from having any sea ports at all, any imports would then get a lot more expensive They’ve got Sevastopol since they back Crimea. I think the rest are strategic because they’re adjacent to Crimea and can be accessed without entering Ukraine from Russia via the Crimean Bridge
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 5, 2022 18:22:38 GMT 1
As a not inconsiderable afterthought, the Russian concentration on the south and East of Ukraine is not only the result of a desire for the heavy industries in those parts, but also, and possibly more worryingly, the need for warm-weather ports for its navy; such would facilitate the growth of the Russian navy.... Im sure Russia would like back the warm weather ports they lost when the soviet union ended whilst Russia has a warm wather port in Syria it is not the best location consider what has hapened to Syria . im no military expert but the russians might also be trying to just stop the ukraine from having any sea ports at all, any imports would then get a lot more expensive Not only that, but it would make Ukraine a land-locked state with all the difficulties that would bring, two of its neighbours being Messrs Putin and Lukashenko.... I wonder whether it is time to provide maritime support for Marieuopol and Odessa from the international waters of the Black Sea.....what a dreadful decision to be facing.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 5, 2022 19:37:28 GMT 1
I now note that Tobias Ellwood, the Chairman of the Defence Select Committee, has had similar musings....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2022 10:12:40 GMT 1
Find yourself in two minds about this and more so after the recent discoveries following the Russian withdrawals but looking to some of the Russians captured by Ukrainian troops (from footage you see on social media), they're kids. It's going slightly off tangent but this is the thing that has amazed me. In recent years there's been a lot of stories of Russian football hooliganism and the the media will portray them all as 6ft6 cagefighters, skinheads, tattoos, training in the woods etc. That sort of attitude has resulted in creating a much feared Russian Army, yet when we see pictures of captured Russian soldiers they look like child refugees.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 6, 2022 13:17:36 GMT 1
Find yourself in two minds about this and more so after the recent discoveries following the Russian withdrawals but looking to some of the Russians captured by Ukrainian troops (from footage you see on social media), they're kids. It's going slightly off tangent but this is the thing that has amazed me. In recent years there's been a lot of stories of Russian football hooliganism and the the media will portray them all as 6ft6 cagefighters, skinheads, tattoos, training in the woods etc. That sort of attitude has resulted in creating a much feared Russian Army, yet when we see pictures of captured Russian soldiers they look like child refugees. I see where you are coming from but I've also seen plenty of footage of Russian troops who do match that billing. And based on footage, for the most part, seem to be deployed further south. Only guessing but perhaps a reflection on where the Russians saw the priority (or of course just a skewed view of things from the footage I have managed to come across).
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 10, 2022 11:35:55 GMT 1
I wonder how many others will see the light, I mean if we're seeing this from Mason... Here is the article from Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn: Ukrainians Are Going Through Absolute Hell. Our Job Is to Stop It.
Mason does a good job with his criticism in a number of Tweets and he is right, this is student politics. War is bad, yes we all agree and know that. We all want to see peace return to the Ukraine, yes we all agree and know that too. How? Applying political pressure on Russia and providing support to those within Russia speaking out. That seems to be the sum of it. That is how we bring about the end of the invasion apparently. And... Why don’t we cut out the fighting zone and go straight into the talking zone?Indeed, why don't we. If only someone would have mentioned this to Putin. It’s very easy for a politician in any parliament in the West to get up and say, “Go to war, go to war, go to war.” And yet I don't think anyone is advocating war with Russia, this is just about giving the Ukraine the means to defend itself. Something its pretty clear Corbyn would not have done. As well as an awful lot of people within the UK, I'm sure there a now a good few more within the Ukraine who will be more than happy with the outcome of the 2019 election.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 10, 2022 12:27:25 GMT 1
I wonder how many others will see the light, I mean if we're seeing this from Mason... Here is the article from Corbyn... Jeremy Corbyn: Ukrainians Are Going Through Absolute Hell. Our Job Is to Stop It.
Mason does a good job with his criticism in a number of Tweets and he is right, this is student politics. War is bad, yes we all agree and know that. We all want to see peace return to the Ukraine, yes we all agree and know that too. How? Applying political pressure on Russia and providing support to those within Russia speaking out. That seems to be the sum of it. That is how we bring about the end of the invasion apparently. And... Why don’t we cut out the fighting zone and go straight into the talking zone?Indeed, why don't we. If only someone would have mentioned this to Putin. It’s very easy for a politician in any parliament in the West to get up and say, “Go to war, go to war, go to war.” And yet I don't think anyone is advocating war with Russia, this is just about giving the Ukraine the means to defend itself. Something its pretty clear Corbyn would not have done. As well as an awful lot of people within the UK, I'm sure there a now a good few more within the Ukraine who will be more than happy with the outcome of the 2019 election. Boris sems popular with the ukranian president
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