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Post by davycrockett on Oct 30, 2021 13:44:30 GMT 1
The bbc and other media outlets who are supposed to offer balanced reporting, have only rammed global warming down our throats, nothing on the news from the thousands of scientists who have proof that global warming is not happening/harming the planet. The media/influencers/do gooders hammering people for using plastics “don’t use a plastic bag, use a paper one”. - no!! Use a plastic one - no trees chopped down, no deforestation, yes if you use a plastic one and throw it in the sea, it won’t degrade and will kill some fish… but how about this for a crazy idea… don’t throw it on the floor! Keep it, and use it forever Electric cars will be far more damaging to the environment that the new synthetic fuels for combustion engines that are currently being developed by Porsche. Very true! I am also waiting to learn more about the disposal of the millions of car batteries once they have reached the end of their lives. Recycled 👍 keep up When batteries do reach the end of their working life, they'll be recycled, which typically involves separating out valuable materials such as cobalt and lithium salts, stainless steel, copper, aluminium and plastic. At the moment, only about half of the materials in an EV battery pack are recycled, but with EVs expected to undergo an explosion in popularity over the next decade or so, car manufacturers are looking to improve this. VW recently announced a pilot plant for battery recycling which will work towards a target of recycling 97% of battery components. In this process, batteries will be shredded, dried, then sieved to recover valuable materials that can be used to make new batteries.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 13:45:28 GMT 1
Unless a meteorite hits it, the worlds safe. It's the humans that need to watch out. The planet has gone through far more than what we are doing to it. But those changes did result in, for example, dinosaur extinction, it could be our turn. However, the history of the planet is a very long slow timeline, we, a small pimple on the world, will always have time to change and evolve, although that might mean some places become uninhabitable. The polutants from fossil fuels are just the release of locked up polutants - we haven't made more of them, it's just the rate of release of those polutants we have to check - that doesn't mean we have to end fossil fuel use. You should give a talk at Cop you sound like an expert, or just your opinion? Care to point out which parts you consider to be an opinion?
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 30, 2021 13:56:04 GMT 1
Very true! I am also waiting to learn more about the disposal of the millions of car batteries once they have reached the end of their lives. Recycled 👍 keep up When batteries do reach the end of their working life, they'll be recycled, which typically involves separating out valuable materials such as cobalt and lithium salts, stainless steel, copper, aluminium and plastic. At the moment, only about half of the materials in an EV battery pack are recycled, but with EVs expected to undergo an explosion in popularity over the next decade or so, car manufacturers are looking to improve this. VW recently announced a pilot plant for battery recycling which will work towards a target of recycling 97% of battery components. In this process, batteries will be shredded, dried, then sieved to recover valuable materials that can be used to make new batteries. Thanks for that - I agree that I must keep up.....but I'll believe it when I see it!
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Oct 30, 2021 13:57:18 GMT 1
Recycled 👍 keep up When batteries do reach the end of their working life, they'll be recycled, which typically involves separating out valuable materials such as cobalt and lithium salts, stainless steel, copper, aluminium and plastic. At the moment, only about half of the materials in an EV battery pack are recycled, but with EVs expected to undergo an explosion in popularity over the next decade or so, car manufacturers are looking to improve this. VW recently announced a pilot plant for battery recycling which will work towards a target of recycling 97% of battery components. In this process, batteries will be shredded, dried, then sieved to recover valuable materials that can be used to make new batteries. Thanks for that - I agree that I must keep up.....but I'll believe it when I see it! Your right about the explosion bit… if you’re trying to pick lithium out of batteries!!
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 30, 2021 14:02:31 GMT 1
So, now Boris "knows better"...I never thought I'd see the day when you would have admitted to such a possibility...lol If you read my reply it was referring to climate protestors 👍 Boris knows very little You must make more effort to make your meaning clear....in this context, Boris Johnson was included in the same group as these protesters, and therefore, by extension, "knows better"! I know it's a matter of semantics and correct use of English, but my comment was only intended as a jocular aside, not as some profound debating point.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 30, 2021 14:59:49 GMT 1
Not a single Cabinet minister has said they have a heat pump in their home, despite the Government launching a drive to get the public to adopt them this week.
The Daily Telegraph approached all 30 Cabinet ministers either directly or via their press aides over the last 48 hours to ask if they had a heat pump at home.
Every one of the ministers either declined to comment, despite repeated requests, or admitted that they had not converted to using heat pumps at home.
MPs recently attracted criticism for rejecting a Lords amendment about restricting sewage discharges into rivers. Along with pot-holes, litter and flood defences, sewers feel like precisely the kind of vital domestic topic that gets overlooked when our focus shifts away from the local.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 15:55:07 GMT 1
Not a single Cabinet minister has said they have a heat pump in their home, despite the Government launching a drive to get the public to adopt them this week. The Daily Telegraph approached all 30 Cabinet ministers either directly or via their press aides over the last 48 hours to ask if they had a heat pump at home. Every one of the ministers either declined to comment, despite repeated requests, or admitted that they had not converted to using heat pumps at home. MPs recently attracted criticism for rejecting a Lords amendment about restricting sewage discharges into rivers. Along with pot-holes, litter and flood defences, sewers feel like precisely the kind of vital domestic topic that gets overlooked when our focus shifts away from the local. A much more sensible question at this stage would be "Who has an electric vehcle and who has a diesel guzzling 4x4?"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 16:19:09 GMT 1
The bbc and other media outlets who are supposed to offer balanced reporting, have only rammed global warming down our throats, nothing on the news from the thousands of scientists who have proof that global warming is not happening/harming the planet. The media/influencers/do gooders hammering people for using plastics “don’t use a plastic bag, use a paper one”. - no!! Use a plastic one - no trees chopped down, no deforestation, yes if you use a plastic one and throw it in the sea, it won’t degrade and will kill some fish… but how about this for a crazy idea… don’t throw it on the floor! Keep it, and use it forever Electric cars will be far more damaging to the environment that the new synthetic fuels for combustion engines that are currently being developed by Porsche. In fact the reverse is true. The BBC was criticised for giving unwarranted legitimacy to unqualified 'sceptics'. www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/mps-accuse-bbc-of-creating-false-balance-on-climate-change-with-unqualified-sceptics-9231176.html
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 30, 2021 17:16:23 GMT 1
the hypocrasiy of this goverment knows no bounds as we host a climate change confrence whilst the parliment vote to allow water companies to continue to pollute our rivers and seas .
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Post by servernaside on Oct 30, 2021 17:38:24 GMT 1
How can I be incorrect but both terms are correct? Rhetorical question armchair. Rhetoric seems to be your strong suit; understanding isn't. Are you going to let me buy you that pint? I suspect that he doesn't drink. Perhaps he should.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 30, 2021 18:10:11 GMT 1
Not a single Cabinet minister has said they have a heat pump in their home, despite the Government launching a drive to get the public to adopt them this week. The Daily Telegraph approached all 30 Cabinet ministers either directly or via their press aides over the last 48 hours to ask if they had a heat pump at home. Every one of the ministers either declined to comment, despite repeated requests, or admitted that they had not converted to using heat pumps at home. MPs recently attracted criticism for rejecting a Lords amendment about restricting sewage discharges into rivers. Along with pot-holes, litter and flood defences, sewers feel like precisely the kind of vital domestic topic that gets overlooked when our focus shifts away from the local. That's because the government's position is purely performative.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 30, 2021 18:17:28 GMT 1
Unless a meteorite hits it, the worlds safe. It's the humans that need to watch out. The planet has gone through far more than what we are doing to it. But those changes did result in, for example, dinosaur extinction, it could be our turn. However, the history of the planet is a very long slow timeline, we, a small pimple on the world, will always have time to change and evolve, although that might mean some places become uninhabitable. The polutants from fossil fuels are just the release of locked up polutants - we haven't made more of them, it's just the rate of release of those polutants we have to check - that doesn't mean we have to end fossil fuel use. Humans, flora and fauna need to watch out. The carbona nd methane in natural stores were put there in processes that took many thousands of years. They are being released over hundreds of years. In fact most of them have been released over the ast three decades. The difference between three decades and thousands of years is a clue that there is no sense on which we can assume that there is always time to change and evolve.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 18:25:50 GMT 1
Unless a meteorite hits it, the worlds safe. It's the humans that need to watch out. The planet has gone through far more than what we are doing to it. But those changes did result in, for example, dinosaur extinction, it could be our turn. However, the history of the planet is a very long slow timeline, we, a small pimple on the world, will always have time to change and evolve, although that might mean some places become uninhabitable. The polutants from fossil fuels are just the release of locked up polutants - we haven't made more of them, it's just the rate of release of those polutants we have to check - that doesn't mean we have to end fossil fuel use. Humans, flora and fauna need to watch out. The carbona nd methane in natural stores were put there in processes that took many thousands of years. They are being released over hundreds of years. In fact most of them have been released over the ast three decades. The difference between three decades and thousands of years is a clue that there is no sense on which we can assume that there is always time to change and evolve. So what have you personally ditched to tackle the climate emergency? The car? Fossil fuel heating? Consumption of stuff that has to be transported or is energy intensive in it's production? Good luck with that, I'll just do what I can while still being warm and having a life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 18:47:10 GMT 1
I'll just do what I can while still being warm I’m sure there’s a campaign going on to get every house in Britain properly insulated which would really help you with that. Can’t remember what it’s called though.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 18:50:38 GMT 1
I'll just do what I can while still being warm I’m sure there’s a campaign going on to get every house in Britain properly insulated which would really help you with that. Can’t remember what it’s called though. Perhaps if owd Boris took more notice of that he could get the protesters off the roads AND tackle climate change. You, Matron, are a ****ing genious. Didn't Mr Corbyn have something like that in his manifesto?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 30, 2021 18:58:07 GMT 1
Humans, flora and fauna need to watch out. The carbona nd methane in natural stores were put there in processes that took many thousands of years. They are being released over hundreds of years. In fact most of them have been released over the ast three decades. The difference between three decades and thousands of years is a clue that there is no sense on which we can assume that there is always time to change and evolve. So what have you personally ditched to tackle the climate emergency? The car? Fossil fuel heating? Consumption of stuff that has to be transported or is energy intensive in it's production? Good luck with that, I'll just do what I can while still being warm and having a life. Which points to the need for system change to change the context of individual behaviour. We have the time to change and evolve but if we don't I will enjoy myself anyway and that means not changing my carbon footprint. Pfft. Here's some ways that I have changed my call on planetary resources. - I drive 6,000 miles a year. in 2017-201 I drove 14,000 miles. - I use trains for long journeys rather than driving. - I will never fly again. - I live in a smaller house that is better insulated. - I still haven't used the central heating this autumn. - I use electric more than gas for my heating - in the room that I am occupying - My consumption of meat products comes close to nil - A higher proportion of my food shop is grown locally than if I relied on supermarkets alone - The amount of food packaging I use is much reduced. - I buy clothes that last and replace them only when they wear out. In terms of enjoying life I follow Kurt Vonnegut "“Enjoy the little things in life because one day you`ll look back and realize they were the big things.” At a party given by a billionaire Kurt Vonnegut informs his pal, the author Joseph Heller, that their host, a hedge fund manager, had made more money in a single day than Heller had earned from his wildly popular novel Catch 22 over its whole history. Heller responds, "Yes, but I have something he will never have . . . Enough." That's the post.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 19:04:29 GMT 1
So what have you personally ditched to tackle the climate emergency? The car? Fossil fuel heating? Consumption of stuff that has to be transported or is energy intensive in it's production? Good luck with that, I'll just do what I can while still being warm and having a life. Which points to the need for system change to change the context of individual behaviour. Which points to there always having to be time to change and evolve. Some places might end up underwater because of rising seas levels, but some places may became habitable. Can't turn all this around in short order, so we are going to have to adapt and survive.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 30, 2021 19:11:34 GMT 1
Which points to the need for system change to change the context of individual behaviour. Which points to there always having to be time to change and evolve. Some places might end up underwater because of rising seas levels, but some places may became habitable. Can't turn all this around in short order, so we are going to have to adapt and survive. WHich actually points to there being no politically acceptable solution.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 19:18:38 GMT 1
Which points to there always having to be time to change and evolve. Some places might end up underwater because of rising seas levels, but some places may became habitable. Can't turn all this around in short order, so we are going to have to adapt and survive. WHich actually points to there being no politically acceptable solution. Probably not.
As I mentioned in reply to Matron, Boris could have pledged to do what the Insulate Britain people want and rid us of protesters glueing themselves to roads and be doing the right thing by the climate, but he hasn't. And, by not putting a policy like that in place as part of his manifesto he has now got himself into a position where he doesn't seem to want to allow them to "win".
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 30, 2021 19:21:16 GMT 1
Which points to there always having to be time to change and evolve. Some places might end up underwater because of rising seas levels, but some places may became habitable. Can't turn all this around in short order, so we are going to have to adapt and survive. WHich actually points to there being no politically acceptable solution. Of course, that may be the case, but some zealots evidently think otherwise - perhaps you should impart that assessment on those idiots blocking the roads: I am sure that they will listen to your pearls of wisdom.....or not
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 30, 2021 19:28:39 GMT 1
WHich actually points to there being no politically acceptable solution. Of course, that may be the case, but some zealots evidently think otherwise - perhaps you should impart that assessment on those idiots blocking the roads: I am sure that they will listen to your pearls of wisdom.....or not But Mr Parker Knoll old chap, Boris could have had a policy of Insulating Britain that would have kept those idiots away from blocking the roads AND it would have started tackling climate change. Looks like we will eventually have to insulate Britain anyway.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 30, 2021 19:57:48 GMT 1
Of course, that may be the case, but some zealots evidently think otherwise - perhaps you should impart that assessment on those idiots blocking the roads: I am sure that they will listen to your pearls of wisdom.....or not But Mr Parker Knoll old chap, Boris could have had a policy of Insulating Britain that would have kept those idiots away from blocking the roads AND it would have started tackling climate change. Looks like we will eventually have to insulate Britain anyway. A lovely new nickname, for which I thank you, though somewhat beyond my budget... lol Any costings on that as yet, or doesn't the cost matter at all, as some would have me believe? The government should certainly have been open about it, I agree, but then the advocates of MMT would say "so what"
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 30, 2021 20:24:09 GMT 1
I prefer to think of armchair as an Ercol. I'm sitting on an Ercol sofa currently - that is even older than I am.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 20:36:47 GMT 1
Quite. Selfishness dressed up as 'scepticism'. Scepticism dressed up as....wait for it....SCEPTICISM! Scepticism is good for the evolution of science. Yes, I'm sure all those peer reviewed climate scientists are forever grateful to the 'sceptics'. Thank the lord for that plucky band of billionaires and oil companies with their following of credulous online morons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 21:18:58 GMT 1
Any costings on that as yet, Yes an uninhabitable planet for my great grandchildren.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 21:26:03 GMT 1
Any costings on that as yet, Yes an uninhabitable planet for my great grandchildren. Exactly, this process does not give a f*** about our financial systems, it cannot be negotiated with, it will not sign up to a timescale for our convenience...
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 31, 2021 1:45:44 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 31, 2021 7:51:44 GMT 1
All the focus will be on the heads of Govt. What are the other 25,000 delegates doing in Glasgow?
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 31, 2021 8:32:47 GMT 1
Yes an uninhabitable planet for my great grandchildren. Exactly, this process does not give a f*** about our financial systems, it cannot be negotiated with, it will not sign up to a timescale for our convenience... Oh well, that's the way thr climate crumbles. We humans will do what we can, be innovative, it's served us well this far. The number of people on the planet and where they live might have to change, but there will be a way. We probably already had a stay of execution when scientists invented the nuclear bomb and we were heading for apocalypse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2021 9:36:17 GMT 1
I think the majority of people are concerned with the future of the planet and would be willing to make some sort of changes if they felt would it would make a difference but for me, that is the problem. Maybe I'm too cynical but people will ask does it make a difference if I change my lightbulbs or boiler, recycle more, become a vegetarian etc. when emissions are so high elsewhere (UK accounts for 1% of the world emissions, China & the US account for 43% combined)
Additionally, people will question being lectured by the government and celebrities on doing their bit, when many of them are hypocrites in their own lifestyles. This COP26 is a great example of that, a 25k people travelling from across the globe to discuss climate change, the irony of that is staggering (and that's before we even mention the fact its during a pandemic).
Something does need to change, how we get everyone to do that is the big question
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