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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 13, 2022 22:50:02 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Feb 15, 2022 12:19:03 GMT 1
Opponents of net-zero would say that we have increased our vulnerability by failing to invest in our own North Sea reserves, banning fracking and shutting down storage facilities. The fact that we need Russian gas clearly demonstrates that we are still reliant on fossil fuels – we’ve just outsourced their extraction to some rather unpleasant regimes.
Fans of net-zero would say that’s because we haven’t moved far or fast enough on the development of renewables. Increased domestic gas production would simply feed into global markets where the price is open to manipulation by the likes of Russia and Opec and hugely dependent on demand from China.
Here’s the thing: both sides have a point. The key is getting the balance right between running down fossil fuel dependency and developing renewable sources of energy. It can’t be an either/or proposition.
The fault here is not a target of net zero in nearly 30 years time but the past 30 years of serial failure in energy policy. This resulted in the UK failing to build on its early strength in nuclear power, pretending natural gas wouldn’t be a crucial transitional energy source and U-turning on climate policies.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 16, 2022 19:40:52 GMT 1
Until we can catch up with the renewables we have to exploit North Sea reserves and reduce reliance on "shady" oil exporters.
Let's hope next week's energy plan is sensible, unlike the pandering to Greta that went on at Cop 26.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 16, 2022 19:57:14 GMT 1
Opponents of net-zero would say that we have increased our vulnerability by failing to invest in our own North Sea reserves, banning fracking and shutting down storage facilities. The fact that we need Russian gas clearly demonstrates that we are still reliant on fossil fuels – we’ve just outsourced their extraction to some rather unpleasant regimes. Fans of net-zero would say that’s because we haven’t moved far or fast enough on the development of renewables. Increased domestic gas production would simply feed into global markets where the price is open to manipulation by the likes of Russia and Opec and hugely dependent on demand from China. Here’s the thing: both sides have a point. The key is getting the balance right between running down fossil fuel dependency and developing renewable sources of energy. It can’t be an either/or proposition. The fault here is not a target of net zero in nearly 30 years time but the past 30 years of serial failure in energy policy. This resulted in the UK failing to build on its early strength in nuclear power, pretending natural gas wouldn’t be a crucial transitional energy source and U-turning on climate policies. Daily Telegraph. we have goverments who fail to plan strategicaly if we had carried on with Browns plan ( cameroon came to power and scraped it) we would have at least 6 years of all new houses been zero carbon, we only build a handful of passive house that reduce ebergy bills by 75%. we failed to plan for energy security , food security and reduce water waste (https://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/what-the-world-can-learn-from-israels-water-reuse-programs/ Negev Desert, Israel – A country that is 70 percent desert faces a unique challenge in finding sustainable water sources, but by treating and reusing approximately 90 percent of its wastewater, Israel has done just that.) water shortages may seem far fetched but it is coming especially the south of england. www.theguardian.com/environment/2006/dec/06/politics.greenpolitics Brown pledges to build 'zero carbon' homes Matt Weaver Wed 6 Dec 2006 15.19 GMT Housebuilders will be forced to build "zero carbon" homes within 10 years, under an ambitious scheme to tackle climate change announced by the chancellor today.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 17, 2022 11:04:15 GMT 1
Until we can catch up with the renewables we have to exploit North Sea reserves and reduce reliance on "shady" oil exporters.
Let's hope next week's energy plan is sensible, unlike the pandering to Greta that went on at Cop 26. The phrase "pandering to Greta" could be interpreted as a slur on an inspirational young woman, but if you meant it in the sense of window dressing, I'm with you there. I don't think fracking or coal have any future in the UK. Our need is to bridge while clean energy technologies become scalable and therefore cheaper. A lot of our electricity already comes from solar, wind & biomass and it seems certain that will expand. Hydrogen has rarely been mentioned in the recent debates but it's coming. I heard yesterday that hydrogen will begin to be mixed into the natural gas supply from 2025, and is intended to replace it altogether by the mid-2030s. Hydrogen is far easier to store than gas and can be manufactured, rather than relying on geographically located natural reserves. Those things are game changers for energy security. I know there's the grey/blue/green hydrogen question to resolve. It will take more time before we can switch fully to green hydrogen - hydrogen produced by a renewable electricity powered hydroliser separating hydrogen from oxygen in water. But the technology's there to be scaled. Meanwhile, it seems we'll be investing in blue hydrogen production as our bridge to the future. That's surely an acceptably better step than more investment in burning carbon.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2022 10:42:53 GMT 1
Well done kids, a high profile protest that doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 12, 2022 13:09:27 GMT 1
Well done kids, a high profile protest that doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests.
On the assumption that you are serious in your congratulations, I have to say that I profoundly disagree: this sort of practice amounts to anarchy, and I thought we had so developed as a society as to grow out of such selfish childishness: this is not the way to resolve our differences, and on another thread there is, coincidentally, a report about councillors declining to stand for office as a result of the extent of abuse, thus causing damage to our democratic processes: this is exactly the consequence of people taking it upon themselves to flout the rules, and insist that it is their "solution" - and ONLY theirs - which is the way forward. Let me say that much as I have disliked and thoroughly disapproved of the election of Labour governments in the past, I have NEVER, EVER, sought to undermine its legitimately formulated policies by such methods, nor gone on marches/protests/" demos" to force my will upon them - these actions have no place WHATSOEVER in an advanced democratic society.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2022 13:22:18 GMT 1
Well done kids, a high profile protest that doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests. On the assumption that you are serious in your congratulations, I have to say that I profoundly disagree: this sort of practice amounts to anarchy, and I thought we had so developed as a society as to grow out of such selfish childishness: this is not the way to resolve our differences, and on another thread there is, coincidentally, a report about councillors declining to stand for office as a result of the extent of abuse, thus causing damage to our democratic processes: this is exactly the consequence of people taking it upon themselves to flout the rules, and insist that it is their "solution" - and ONLY theirs - which is the way forward. Let me say that much as I have disliked and thoroughly disapproved of the election of Labour governments in the past, I have NEVER, EVER, sought to undermine its legitimately formulated policies by such methods, nor gone on marches/protests/" demos" to force my will upon them - these actions have no place WHATSOEVER in an advanced democratic society. As I said, a protest that gets them the publicity they crave that " doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests". Another of the legitimate protests that some groups feel they have to do. Remember the poll tax demos and how they changed politics? Plenty of other examples.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 12, 2022 13:38:15 GMT 1
On the assumption that you are serious in your congratulations, I have to say that I profoundly disagree: this sort of practice amounts to anarchy, and I thought we had so developed as a society as to grow out of such selfish childishness: this is not the way to resolve our differences, and on another thread there is, coincidentally, a report about councillors declining to stand for office as a result of the extent of abuse, thus causing damage to our democratic processes: this is exactly the consequence of people taking it upon themselves to flout the rules, and insist that it is their "solution" - and ONLY theirs - which is the way forward. Let me say that much as I have disliked and thoroughly disapproved of the election of Labour governments in the past, I have NEVER, EVER, sought to undermine its legitimately formulated policies by such methods, nor gone on marches/protests/" demos" to force my will upon them - these actions have no place WHATSOEVER in an advanced democratic society. As I said, a protest that gets them the publicity they crave that " doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests". Another of the legitimate protests that some groups feel they have to do. Remember the poll tax demos and how they changed politics? Plenty of other examples. The "legitimacy" of such protests is arguable, at best, and the mere fact of there being plenty of other examples from history does not, in itself, render legitimacy, unless you are suggesting that the ends justify the means....is that what you believe?
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2022 13:49:08 GMT 1
As I said, a protest that gets them the publicity they crave that " doesn't turn the general public agaimst you, increase pollution and cost the country millions like the usual fuel protests". Another of the legitimate protests that some groups feel they have to do. Remember the poll tax demos and how they changed politics? Plenty of other examples. The "legitimacy" of such protests is arguable, at best, and the mere fact of there being plenty of other examples from history does not, in itself, render legitimacy, unless you are suggesting that the ends justify the means....is that what you believe? People resort to this sort of stuff when they feel the democratic process is not working.
Martin Lewis, the money saving expert, seems to think we are getting to that point with the millions being pushed into poverty. Mr Sunak being more interested in who blabbed about some nice little tax dodges the family had in place to shore up their astronomical wealth than doing anything to help ordinary people.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 12, 2022 14:36:15 GMT 1
The "legitimacy" of such protests is arguable, at best, and the mere fact of there being plenty of other examples from history does not, in itself, render legitimacy, unless you are suggesting that the ends justify the means....is that what you believe? People resort to this sort of stuff when they feel the democratic process is not working.
Martin Lewis, the money saving expert, seems to think we are getting to that point with the millions being pushed into poverty. Mr Sunak being more interested in who blabbed about some nice little tax dodges the family had in place to shore up their astronomical wealth than doing anything to help ordinary people.
That is as may be, but, again, that does not in any way confer any legitimacy upon such actions - quite the reverse I'm fact.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 14, 2022 12:19:55 GMT 1
Two questions I would like to ask eco warriers as they come out of hibernation: "I won't say it's good to see you again, what have you been doing over winter, I assume you haven't used any fossil fuels to keep warm?"
And: "How did you get to this demonstration this morning, on your recycled cycle, or walking?"
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 16, 2022 11:10:23 GMT 1
If I was a climate change protester:
I wouldn't interupt this afternonns North Western semi-final clash at Wembley by glueing myself to the M1 or chaining myself to the goalpost - It's not the fan's fault.
But I would hold a peaceful protest outside the headquarters of the FA.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 7, 2022 13:17:52 GMT 1
New North Sea oil and gas exploration licences to be issued? Should never have been stopped! Of course it's best to get the oil we have to have from a secure local source. But: Licences cost? So let's "windfall" tax those energy companies with high licence costs. Let's make sure that energy companies find it a potentially more profitable option to generate "green" energy.
If we hadn't fallen so far in love with Greta we would have more oil and gas in the system and would not be so in the hands of Opec nor talking about fracking now.
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