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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 21, 2021 14:36:44 GMT 1
Johnson will read it if Carrie tells him he can't get his dick wet until he does.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 16:36:21 GMT 1
Petrol stations? drivers? utility bills? All the fault of the government? Nothing of course to do with irresponsible media scaremongering, international oil and gas prices over which the government has no control and the ongoing effects of the pandemic on global supply chains. Not all, but largely. The government tied its own hands which left it less able to respond to these problems than other countries, which haven't had queues (and fights) at petrol stations or empty shelves in shops. I know you expect the media to be uncritical cheerleaders for Tory governments - and. let's face it, most of them usually are - but the suggestion that it's all someone else's fault and the government couldn't have responded better is risible.
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Post by servernaside on Oct 22, 2021 8:43:31 GMT 1
Not all, but largely. The government tied its own hands which left it less able to respond to these problems than other countries, which haven't had queues (and fights) at petrol stations or empty shelves in shops. I know you expect the media to be uncritical cheerleaders for Tory governments - and. let's face it, most of them usually are - but the suggestion that it's all someone else's fault and the government couldn't have responded better is risible.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 22, 2021 8:57:56 GMT 1
As usual the far right section of the Conservative party will kick and scream but when it comes to any meaningful vote they will fall in line like they always do. They have the backbone of a jellyfish.
They can keep blaming Carrie all they like, but she isn't the one in power.
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Post by servernaside on Oct 22, 2021 17:01:06 GMT 1
As usual the far right section of the Conservative party will kick and scream but when it comes to any meaningful vote they will fall in line like they always do. They have the backbone of a jellyfish. They can keep blaming Carrie all they like, but she isn't the one in power. I 5hink you'll find the term you're looking for is 'party unity'. This is something which has always been weirdly absent from the Labour Party since.............well, since it was founded.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2021 17:25:09 GMT 1
As usual the far right section of the Conservative party will kick and scream but when it comes to any meaningful vote they will fall in line like they always do. They have the backbone of a jellyfish. They can keep blaming Carrie all they like, but she isn't the one in power. I 5hink you'll find the term you're looking for is 'party unity'. This is something which has always been weirdly absent from the Labour Party since.............well, since it was founded. I wouldn't disagree. 'Absence of principles' and 'party before country' are other appropriate terms for it.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 17:54:58 GMT 1
I 5hink you'll find the term you're looking for is 'party unity'. This is something which has always been weirdly absent from the Labour Party since.............well, since it was founded. I wouldn't disagree. 'Absence of principles' and 'party before country' are other appropriate terms for it. Surely a better example of "party before country" is woven throughout the fabric of the Labour Party, which has been, most of its time, an unwieldy and uncomfortable coalition between those who will not ameliorate their total obeisance to fundamental tenets, and those who accept that, to be electable, there has to be some flexibility; the only thing which holds it together is the shared view that a Labour government is better for the country, so a chunk of the Labour is just as guilty, I assume, in the interests of "party unity"! You wonder why the Conservatives have been in government for so much of the last 80 years: its called pragmatism, and the undoubtedly shameless preparedness to adopt, as its own, the policies of the Opposition, when it deems them to be electorally acceptable. Until that part of the Labour Party which doesn't recognise this basic truth of our democracy, I suspect that gaining the power to implement its fundamental tenets, even in part, will be a long time coming.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2021 17:58:09 GMT 1
More money spent on investment, means less money for consumption; it means this generation making sacrifices for the next. That’s never going to be an easy sell for democratically elected governments. If it goes wrong, moreover, the investment will destroy wealth, rather than create it. Therein lies the nub of the problem. Britain is 1 per cent of global emissions; if nobody else is serious about reducing their’s, what’s the point in us doing it?
In the meantime, Boris’s needy use of the climate change agenda to carve out a new global leadership role for Britain is seriously compromising other foreign policy goals. We hold back in our criticism of China in part because without China, the pursuit of net zero is dead in the water.
Similarly with Northern Ireland; we don’t go through with threats to withdraw from the Northern Ireland Protocol because we know it would infuriate Joe Biden, and that the US President too might therefore boycott the conference. The omens are already bad enough for the event, but that would be the final straw.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 22, 2021 18:02:20 GMT 1
Johnson will read it if Carrie tells him he can't get his dick wet until he does. You’ve certainly got a way with words Sean 😂😂😉
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 18:30:50 GMT 1
More money spent on investment, means less money for consumption; it means this generation making sacrifices for the next. That’s never going to be an easy sell for democratically elected governments. If it goes wrong, moreover, the investment will destroy wealth, rather than create it. Therein lies the nub of the problem. Britain is 1 per cent of global emissions; if nobody else is serious about reducing their’s, what’s the point in us doing it? In the meantime, Boris’s needy use of the climate change agenda to carve out a new global leadership role for Britain is seriously compromising other foreign policy goals. We hold back in our criticism of China in part because without China, the pursuit of net zero is dead in the water. Similarly with Northern Ireland; we don’t go through with threats to withdraw from the Northern Ireland Protocol because we know it would infuriate Joe Biden, and that the US President too might therefore boycott the conference. The omens are already bad enough for the event, but that would be the final straw. Daily Telegraph. The telegraph is pumping out some s**t. The first five words are completely wrong.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 18:32:21 GMT 1
Johnson will read it if Carrie tells him he can't get his dick wet until he does. You’ve certainly got a way with words Sean 😂😂😉 Yes - for once vaguely amusing, if sexist, rather than bitter...!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 18:37:26 GMT 1
You’ve certainly got a way with words Sean 😂😂😉 Yes - for once vaguely amusing, if sexist, rather than bitter...! I'm making an observation about the level that Johnson operates.
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Post by servernaside on Oct 22, 2021 18:43:27 GMT 1
I 5hink you'll find the term you're looking for is 'party unity'. This is something which has always been weirdly absent from the Labour Party since.............well, since it was founded. I wouldn't disagree. 'Absence of principles' and 'party before country' are other appropriate terms for it. Ha ha, but Labour can't agree on what their principles actually are. As for party before country, the Conservatives sing the national anthem at conferences and wave Union Jacks while Labour sing a communist dirge and the last time I checked, were waving the Palestine flag. Neither wonder they're unelectable. Bless
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 19:03:58 GMT 1
An incomplete list but in the right direction:
waving the union flag singing the national anthem A top-down restructuring of NHS that has left it on life support. After promising no top-down restructuring of the NHS Pursuing an illiterate economic policy of austerity against the consensus view of economists Being a main mover in the destabilisation of Libya that is a cause of the number of asylum seekers that some people are losing their minds over Enriching donors, friends and relatives with lucrative government contracts Overseeing an explosion in the number of foodbanks Overseeing 10s of thousands of unnecessary deaths during a public health emergency Shovelling their wealth offshore (despite their alleged patriotism) Forced by a footballer to make provision to feed children during the school holidays Cutting social security benefits in the middle of a cost of living crisis shortages due to logistical issues are "Not" the government's problem Leaving workers vulnerable to the fire and rehire tactics of employers.
Bless.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 19:26:29 GMT 1
An incomplete list but in the right direction: waving the union flag singing the national anthem A top-down restructuring of NHS that has left it on life support. After promising no top-down restructuring of the NHS Pursuing an illiterate economic policy of austerity against the consensus view of economists Being a main mover in the destabilisation of Libya that is a cause of the number of asylum seekers that some people are losing their minds over Enriching donors, friends and relatives with lucrative government contracts Overseeing an explosion in the number of foodbanks Overseeing 10s of thousands of unnecessary deaths during a public health emergency Shovelling their wealth offshore (despite their alleged patriotism) Forced by a footballer to make provision to feed children during the school holidays Cutting social security benefits in the middle of a cost of living crisis shortages due to logistical issues are "Not" the government's problem Leaving workers vulnerable to the fire and rehire tactics of employers. Bless. Your attempt to correct the term "Union Jack" is wrong, as any vexillololologist will tell you! The rest is arguable and the subject of legitimate political debate - not fact, as you imply.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 19:28:51 GMT 1
I wrote flag not jack. jack is a daft name for a piece of cloth, but not so bad for a small dog.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 19:54:02 GMT 1
I wrote flag not jack. jack is a daft name for a piece of cloth, but not so bad for a small dog. Daft or not, both terms are correct.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 19:58:05 GMT 1
I wrote flag not jack. jack is a daft name for a piece of cloth, but not so bad for a small dog. Daft or not, both terms are correct. And so I was not incorrect to use the term that I chose.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 20:11:36 GMT 1
Daft or not, both terms are correct. And so I was not incorrect to use the term that I chose. Actually, you chose to correct the original term! Good grief, Sean, I like a good debate as much as anyone, but you seem to prefer all-out argument. Let me buy you a pint of relaxation sometime!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 22, 2021 20:16:39 GMT 1
"Your attempt to correct the term "Union Jack" is wrong, as any vexillololologist will tell you!"
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 20:26:57 GMT 1
"Your attempt to correct the term "Union Jack" is wrong, as any vexillololologist will tell you!" I assume that's a "No" then....well, I tried....
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Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2021 20:46:48 GMT 1
I wouldn't disagree. 'Absence of principles' and 'party before country' are other appropriate terms for it. Ha ha, but Labour can't agree on what their principles actually are. As for party before country, the Conservatives sing the national anthem at conferences and wave Union Jacks while Labour sing a communist dirge and the last time I checked, were waving the Palestine flag. Neither wonder they're unelectable. Bless If you look back to the earlier part of the discussion, the point was made that 'rebel' Tory MPs rarely back up their fine words with votes. It's telling that you've immediately brought this round to party principles, not those of the individual. Parties shouldn't have to agree principles, it's enough that its individual MPs have them. Tories might claim to be the party of the individual but, as your words indicate, they're really the party of groupthink, terrified to let their obvious differences show. It's patronising and disrespectful of the voting public. As for flag shagging and singing the anthem, jeez, you're easily impressed. You really think that demonstrates putting country before party? Such gullibility - are you allowed out on your own?
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 22, 2021 21:02:24 GMT 1
Ha ha, but Labour can't agree on what their principles actually are. As for party before country, the Conservatives sing the national anthem at conferences and wave Union Jacks while Labour sing a communist dirge and the last time I checked, were waving the Palestine flag. Neither wonder they're unelectable. Bless If you look back to the earlier part of the discussion, the point was made that 'rebel' Tory MPs rarely back up their fine words with votes. It's telling that you've immediately brought this round to party principles, not those of the individual. Parties shouldn't have to agree principles, it's enough that its individual MPs have them. Tories might claim to be the party of the individual but, as your words indicate, they're really the party of groupthink, terrified to let their obvious differences show. It's patronising and disrespectful of the voting public. As for flag shagging and singing the anthem, jeez, you're easily impressed. You really think that demonstrates putting country before party? Such gullibility - are you allowed out on your own? That is a bit uncalled for, don't you think? In general, your post is not without merit, but you over-simplify: the reference to flag-waving and singing the National Anthem was clearly only made in contra-distinction with the waving of a foreign flag and the singing of the Red Flag, not as political attributes per se. As for being gullible, I think that those who believe in the cosy warmth of John Lennon's "Imagine" have a head-start in that direction.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2021 11:52:41 GMT 1
Funny how, despite diverse views, on football matters we all generally want the same thing, success for Shrewsbury Town. But, when it comes to politics.....
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 23, 2021 12:28:15 GMT 1
Daft or not, both terms are correct. And so I was not incorrect to use the term that I chose. Hate to agree with Armchair but not really. It was officially known as The Union Jack at sea and The Union Flag on land but this changed in the nineteenth century from when the Union Jack was used on land and sea. I suppose it’s correct to describe The Union Jack as the flag of the union or the union’s flag but it’s The Union Jack. www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/why-is-the-united-kingdom-flag-called-the-union-jack/
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 24, 2021 10:36:03 GMT 1
How can I be incorrect but both terms are correct? Rhetorical question armchair.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 24, 2021 12:54:15 GMT 1
How can I be incorrect but both terms are correct? Rhetorical question armchair. Rhetoric seems to be your strong suit; understanding isn't. Are you going to let me buy you that pint?
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 26, 2021 11:44:32 GMT 1
Hardly worth a discussion until the likes of China & India do the absolute bare minimum.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Oct 26, 2021 12:10:50 GMT 1
Hardly worth a discussion until the likes of China & India do the absolute bare minimum. Maybe because they haven’t been brainwashed into believing the global warming myth
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 26, 2021 12:44:47 GMT 1
Funny how, despite diverse views, on football matters we all generally want the same thing, success for Shrewsbury Town. But, when it comes to politics..... I don’t think it’s so different actually. I assume we all want the best for the country, but have different views as to what that would look like, and how to achieve it.
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