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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 20, 2021 9:39:04 GMT 1
Same old, same old. Its just about hanging on in there now and counting down the days until we can strengthen again. And hopefully then the club and manager will understand the urgency of things and make a better go of recruitment this time around. Fingers crossed.
But I think that's about the sum of it at the minute, that's where we are now. I don't expect anything to change in the mean time, it will now doubt be another two wins from 8 games or something along those lines. Just got to hope that we do grab the odd win from someone from time to time and we're left adrift...
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 20, 2021 9:54:30 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. Normally, it is even harder to recruit decent quality in that transfer window and we could be rooted to the foot of the table by then, undermining our negotiating position even further.
The defensive se-up worked on Saturday because we maanged to hang on until we scored. But the minute we concede, what have we got? Very little...and that's on the manager and his woeful recruitment. It's so predictable.
And a shout out to Leshabela. What on earth must he be feeling at the moment? Down to one central midfielder and he still doesn't get any game time. We just don't have the luxury of carrying benchwarmers when we have such a threadbare squad. At least give him 15 minutes to see if he can change things. After all, he's more likely to have an impact than Cosgrove and Pyke.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 10:00:50 GMT 1
I have taken in the comments made on the squad we have ended up with and the performances each week and I have to agree with everything that’s been said. This situation cannot go on, enough is enough. Wycherley wants to sell and will not invest any further on the field. There are three possible answers to this is, - we bring in new quality players - we change the manager or both. The only way that any of these possibilities can happen a new Chairman. The injection of funds to do this must happen soon so why is the Takeover taking so long. If nothing else we need to know when this will take place, because all we see is a club on free fall. As a club, behind the scenes and on the field, we are p*****g in the wind. All the fans are doing is throwing money down the drain. FFS ….someone tell us something !!!! I hope the club read this. if Delves wont to buy a league one club he better get on with it or he will be buying a league two club.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 10:02:43 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. Normally, it is even harder to recruit decent quality in that transfer window and we could be rooted to the foot of the table by then, undermining our negotiating position even further. The defensive se-up worked on Saturday because we maanged to hang on until we scored. But the minute we concede, what have we got? Very little...and that's on the manager and his woeful recruitment. It's so predictable. And a shout out to Leshabela. What on earth must he be feeling at the moment? Down to one central midfielder and he still doesn't get any game time. We just don't have the luxury of carrying benchwarmers when we have such a threadbare squad. At least give him 15 minutes to see if he can change things. After all, he's more likely to have an impact than Cosgrove and Pyke. if i was Leshabela i would be asking my club to bring me back and loan me to somone else, i fail to see what devlopment he is having beyond warming the bench.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 20, 2021 10:05:14 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. Normally, it is even harder to recruit decent quality in that transfer window and we could be rooted to the foot of the table by then, undermining our negotiating position even further. The defensive se-up worked on Saturday because we maanged to hang on until we scored. But the minute we concede, what have we got? Very little...and that's on the manager and his woeful recruitment. It's so predictable. And a shout out to Leshabela. What on earth must he be feeling at the moment? Down to one central midfielder and he still doesn't get any game time. We just don't have the luxury of carrying benchwarmers when we have such a threadbare squad. At least give him 15 minutes to see if he can change things. After all, he's more likely to have an impact than Cosgrove and Pyke. if i was Leshabela i would be asking my club to bring me back and loan me to somone else, i fail to see what devlopment he is having beyond warming the bench. Downward development , we specialise it that, it’s The Shrewsbury Way.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 20, 2021 10:07:36 GMT 1
There are many on here who know a great deal more than I do about football - its tactics, its formations, its finances and its personalities - than I do, but we have to realise that we are just a microcosm of the total (5000+?) fan base. I do not claim to in any way represent the views of that 5000, and neither does anyone else on here, but all I want is a competitive, relatively succeessful, club (within the obvious financial limitations) which can leave us feeling happy and proud, occasionally, exceptionally so.
I have experienced this in the 1950s/1960s, the 70s/80s, but with the exception of one glorious, oh-so-painfully "nearly" season, a few years ago, the trajectory of the club has been down, ever down.
It is the case that the one common denominator through this last 25 years has been the ownership of Roland Wycherley, and I suggested on another thread that he personifies the "lil old Shrewsbury" self-image" which can do little to attract the best, or the ambitious, players or managers; we can do nothing about our relatively isolated geographical position, but we CAN do something about how we project and sell the identity of the club.
Personally, I would erect a statue of RW, in recognition of what he has achieved during his tenure, but what was once a matter of progressing - new ground/training facilities and the idea that the new ground itself could become a local entertainment hub, with those concerts - has now become a matter of stagnation. RW was clearly a man for and of his time, but standing still in an ultra-competitive environment - sport or business - is not an option.
In a small way, I have personal experience of RW's situation, as Chairman of my own sports club for some years, and knowing when to step down was difficult to say the least, but making that decision was probably my finest contribution to the club.
As soon as a succession procedure can be negotiated, I think Roland should enjoy his retirement with our loud cheers ringing in his ears.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 20, 2021 10:13:41 GMT 1
I have taken in the comments made on the squad we have ended up with and the performances each week and I have to agree with everything that’s been said. This situation cannot go on, enough is enough. Wycherley wants to sell and will not invest any further on the field. There are three possible answers to this is, - we bring in new quality players - we change the manager or both. The only way that any of these possibilities can happen a new Chairman. The injection of funds to do this must happen soon so why is the Takeover taking so long. If nothing else we need to know when this will take place, because all we see is a club on free fall. As a club, behind the scenes and on the field, we are p*****g in the wind. All the fans are doing is throwing money down the drain. FFS ….someone tell us something !!!! I hope the club read this. Things can only get worse as IF a sale goes ahead to Wycherleys chosen man you can bet you bottom dollar there won’t be increased investment in the team. We’re limited to a percentage of turnover and The Chosen One will inherit Wycherley’s caution and prudent approach. Chairmen don’t dip into their own pocket to buy players. A new chairman would have to change pretty much everything at the club to try and increase significantly the clubs turnover to increase the playing budget….
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Post by northwestman on Oct 20, 2021 10:16:45 GMT 1
Snap. I really have had it at the moment. It’s all so predictable. We’re not sleepwalking to relegation we are galloping - well we would be if we could be bothered to gallop. The only plus point is all the other sides in the bottom 4 lost last night, and Crewe and Doncaster look to be even worse than us. Trouble is, I'll be expecting Doncaster and Charlton to have a new manager bounce soon. Can see 2 sackings looming. It's surely between us, Doncaster, Crewe, Charlton, Fleetwood, Gillingham and Morecambe for those 4 relegation places. And I'd place Charlton as being a long shot.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 20, 2021 10:18:59 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. Normally, it is even harder to recruit decent quality in that transfer window and we could be rooted to the foot of the table by then, undermining our negotiating position even further. The defensive se-up worked on Saturday because we maanged to hang on until we scored. But the minute we concede, what have we got? Very little...and that's on the manager and his woeful recruitment. It's so predictable. And a shout out to Leshabela. What on earth must he be feeling at the moment? Down to one central midfielder and he still doesn't get any game time. We just don't have the luxury of carrying benchwarmers when we have such a threadbare squad. At least give him 15 minutes to see if he can change things. After all, he's more likely to have an impact than Cosgrove and Pyke. if i was Leshabela i would be asking my club to bring me back and loan me to somone else, i fail to see what devlopment he is having beyond warming the bench. How you ever considered that no one wants to come and play for cotterill , but we managed to convince a random player that we clearly had not seen and had just 9 minutes of league football on his cv , I would imagine someone at Leicester had a large smug smile on his face when they announced they’d found a club to take him on loan makes a mockery of the managers statement that he won’t bring in players who are not as good as we already have Especially when we don’t have any
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 20, 2021 10:19:29 GMT 1
Just watched the post-match interview. Some more tetchy moments from SC including to Lewis Cox: "Where are you going with that?" when he asked if the dressing room was responding to his messages.
Yes, he's disappointed but he should stop being so bloody sensitive, especially as his transfer dealings are largely to blame for where we find ourselves. Cox and Dunn are two of the politest sports reporters out there and they are not looking to trip him up.
I really think he should send out Wilbraham to do the interviews after the game. He is so pumped up it's almost as if he is looking for a fight.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 10:36:52 GMT 1
if i was Leshabela i would be asking my club to bring me back and loan me to somone else, i fail to see what devlopment he is having beyond warming the bench. How you ever considered that no one wants to come and play for cotterill , but we managed to convince a random player that we clearly had not seen and had just 9 minutes of league football on his cv , I would imagine someone at Leicester had a large smug smile on his face when they announced they’d found a club to take him on loan makes a mockery of the managers statement that he won’t bring in players who are not as good as we already have Especially when we don’t have any if that is the case what does it say about SC
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 20, 2021 10:58:08 GMT 1
He's unstable,? Perhaps his experiences last year have left him oversensitive or perhaps he's always been 'defencive' when things don't go well...
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Post by Pilch on Oct 20, 2021 11:07:32 GMT 1
We line up and salute the crowd after beating Telford and drawing to Lincoln
But not after beating mkd
Kind of suggests it was all fake in the first place
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 20, 2021 11:08:44 GMT 1
No one expected much from last night but in a game where we would have been okay with a draw, we were nowhere near even that.
Not much more to say. Next up, Cambridge.
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Post by wakemanender on Oct 20, 2021 11:17:24 GMT 1
Just watched the post-match interview. Some more tetchy moments from SC including to Lewis Cox: "Where are you going with that?" when he asked if the dressing room was responding to his messages. Yes, he's disappointed but he should stop being so bloody sensitive, especially as his transfer dealings are largely to blame for where we find ourselves. Cox and Dunn are two of the politest sports reporters out there and they are not looking to trip him up. I really think he should send out Wilbraham to do the interviews after the game. He is so pumped up it's almost as if he is looking for a fight. You do have to wonder if our poor player recruitment is in anyway partly due to the managers dealings with players agents. Clearly SC doesnt stand any messing and negotiation wouldnt be top of his list. It would be more of a take it or leave it attitude. There has in the past been crititism of Stuart Dunn for not asking the difficult questions but he is in a very difficult situation. Its happened before where the club has cut off all communication with the press because of the manager taking offence. You get the feeling it wouldnt take much at all for that to happen with SC.
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 20, 2021 11:51:06 GMT 1
Yes, agreed. He strikes me as the type who would be prepared to cut off his nose to spite his own face. The fact he let Walker and Goss go without nailing down adequate replacements, even by using short-term loans is inexplicable.
It's his fatalistic approach that, yes, we could have signed more players but they wouldn't have made us any better that gets me. Seriously? You think being forced to play Leahy or Sean Whalley as a central midfielder because we've only got two CMs you trust is a good position to be in?
Having said that, I'm still wondering whether the proposed Wycherley sale has fed into the recruitment shambles. Did Roland curtail the spending to beef up the books before the sale? And did SC bank on having more funds than he actually received?
As for the reporters that cover the club, I have nothing but sympathy for them. They are almost in an impossible position having to do deal with a thin-skinned manager and not being able to ask questions the fans want answers to because he will either go off on one or the club will restrict their access.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 20, 2021 12:03:35 GMT 1
yet again from pulling everyone back which allows opponents to push more players forward leaving plenty of free time and space for their players on the edge of out penalty area. I think Roland must make that a mandatory tactical choice of any STFC manager. Maybe I'm over exaggerating how many times it happens but when it's our corner and a defender clears it they regularly have a player up front who pressures our defence and we go back to the keeper, but when its the other way around, they are free to get it back into the box. We are just inviting pressure just remember you and I know nothing about football, if we did we would understand why putting unnecessary pressure on our defence and having no out ball was sensible.
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Post by southstandviewer on Oct 20, 2021 12:14:55 GMT 1
It was a reasonable first half performance away from home last night and I have to commend the hardy souls who made far more noise and gave encouragement to the players than the home fans this despite it not being an exciting display.
But that second half was just awful, no balance, players obviously uncomfortable playing out of position and chasing shadows as Oxford just played around us. When we did manage to nick the ball in midfield and try to break away the wrong options were taken and we turned back into trouble or slowed down allowing for a regroup.
It was clear that we were not going to win anything against their centre backs yet persisted in playing the ball around them. I can only recall the one chance in the second half where the centre back made a good last gasp header at the far post.
Like others I was left disheartened about the whole situation.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 20, 2021 12:30:18 GMT 1
It is the case that the one common denominator through this last 25 years has been the ownership of Roland Wycherley, and I suggested on another thread that he personifies the "lil old Shrewsbury" self-image" which can do little to attract the best, or the ambitious, players or managers; we can do nothing about our relatively isolated geographical position, but we CAN do something about how we project and sell the identity of the club. I totally agree , well said . The sooner RW gives up control of the club the better . In my view he has done us proud but it’s now time for him to hand over the reins to someone with a more modern outlook . If not then I fear we will continue to stagnate .
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 20, 2021 12:37:46 GMT 1
if i was Leshabela i would be asking my club to bring me back and loan me to somone else, i fail to see what devlopment he is having beyond warming the bench. Downward development , we specialise it that, it’s The Shrewsbury Way. We've got a very good history of developing loan players so I find your comment strange.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Oct 20, 2021 12:58:24 GMT 1
Its worth remembering that if Whalley didn't have a renewal clause in his contract, SC was going to let him leave. Just imagine what a mess that would have left us in..
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Post by Pilch on Oct 20, 2021 15:50:31 GMT 1
Just watched the post-match interview. Some more tetchy moments from SC including to Lewis Cox: "Where are you going with that?" when he asked if the dressing room was responding to his messages. Yes, he's disappointed but he should stop being so bloody sensitive, especially as his transfer dealings are largely to blame for where we find ourselves. Cox and Dunn are two of the politest sports reporters out there and they are not looking to trip him up. I really think he should send out Wilbraham to do the interviews after the game. He is so pumped up it's almost as if he is looking for a fight. is that the one you have to pay for ? I watched the free one with dunny , it was all about the first half how we should have been 2-0 up and I cant remember anyone really moaning about Pierre last night , cotterill went out of his way to say he had a bad game though, I bet that goes down well
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 20, 2021 15:55:13 GMT 1
Just watched the post-match interview. Some more tetchy moments from SC including to Lewis Cox: "Where are you going with that?" when he asked if the dressing room was responding to his messages. Yes, he's disappointed but he should stop being so bloody sensitive, especially as his transfer dealings are largely to blame for where we find ourselves. Cox and Dunn are two of the politest sports reporters out there and they are not looking to trip him up. I really think he should send out Wilbraham to do the interviews after the game. He is so pumped up it's almost as if he is looking for a fight. is that the one you have to pay for ? I watched the free one with dunny , it was all about the first half how we should have been 2-0 up and I cant remember anyone really moaning about Pierre last night , cotterill went out of his way to say he had a bad game though, I bet that goes down well I blame him for the first goal as he let his man get in front of him but thats being harsh. I can't remember any other major mistakes from Pierre.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 16:07:29 GMT 1
Having said that, I'm still wondering whether the proposed Wycherley sale has fed into the recruitment shambles. Did Roland curtail the spending to beef up the books before the sale? And did SC bank on having more funds than he actually received? But, we've been fed the line that there was money available but we just couldn't spend it, in time! I do take your point though.
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 20, 2021 16:24:18 GMT 1
Its worth remembering that if Whalley didn't have a renewal clause in his contract, SC was going to let him leave. Just imagine what a mess that would have left us in.. First I’ve heard of it and can’t imagine that to be true for a second. Happy to be proven wrong.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 20, 2021 18:35:58 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. If that was directed to me then I'm not confident. I just see that as the only point when things can change, can improve. Not that it will. Might well go tits up further...
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Post by salop27 on Oct 20, 2021 18:52:56 GMT 1
I wish I had your confidence that it will all change in January. If that was directed to me then I'm not confident. I just see that as the only point when things can change, can improve. Not that it will. Might well go tits up further... Could well get worse if Vela,Pierre and Ogbeta leave.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 0:13:26 GMT 1
Its worth remembering that if Whalley didn't have a renewal clause in his contract, SC was going to let him leave. Just imagine what a mess that would have left us in.. Absolute rubbish, how did this fake news get 8 likes?
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 21, 2021 7:41:32 GMT 1
It may well have been the way it was reported. I do remember reading that SC said that Whalley had ‘chosen’ to invoke the clause. To be fair he didn’t say he would have let him go and it may have been bad phrasing by either SC or the journalist, but it did give an odd impression at the time.
Something that could be read either way?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 8:26:02 GMT 1
It may well have been the way it was reported. I do remember reading that SC said that Whalley had ‘chosen’ to invoke the clause. To be fair he didn’t say he would have let him go and it may have been bad phrasing by either SC or the journalist, but it did give an odd impression at the time. Something that could be read either way? Here is the article. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2021/05/09/shrewsbury-hero-shaun-whalley-set-to-extend-town-stay-into-a-seventh-season/‘And the winger, whose contract expires in June, revealed afterwards that his future has been sorted after early talks with boss Steve Cotterill.’ Would suggest a mutual feeling about it. That post is a lie, there is absolutely no evidence that Cotterill would’ve released him if there wasn’t a clause in his contract. Last thing SC needs is people feeding false truths to try and turn people against him, he’s got a tough enough job on as it is.
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