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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2021 21:47:18 GMT 1
Cosgrove three touches two fouls !! I thought he did well, made at least half a dozen passes, set up ogbeta who blasted well over, not sure where cosgrove was meant to be playing like
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2021 21:50:40 GMT 1
Only issue remaining to be settled is can Cox and Dunne get through the post match with their testicles attached. he will concentrate on the first half, how hard it is to come to Oxford and play, how we looked like we could have gone in 1-0, and then a lucky goal against us and another when we were pressing for one back, and how we missed leahy and vela in reality we set up for nil nil, with no plan b and no shots on target
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 19, 2021 21:51:12 GMT 1
I struggle to see how a team that played the majority of the game with 5 midfielders only managed 36% possession. Because three of them are attacking players with poor technique, one of them plays right back and the other one is a complete passenger?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2021 21:51:53 GMT 1
I thought I'd share a step by step guide on how to watch ifollow for nothing Attachments:
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2021 21:59:01 GMT 1
Only issue remaining to be settled is can Cox and Dunne get through the post match with their testicles attached. no interview again ? or do they have to all be vetted and edited when cotterills toys come out of the pram
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Post by venceremos on Oct 19, 2021 22:06:23 GMT 1
There's often no interview after a midweek game, whatever the result.
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Post by salop18 on Oct 19, 2021 22:06:43 GMT 1
That was poor as per usual. It’s a sad state of affairs when you head into a game against a team in your own division and not even feel confident of having a shot on target in an hour & a half of football. Just sad.
I’m past the point of being angry, just feel myself losing more and more interest as the seasons tick by and the poor gaffers keep rolling in and out. The summer transfer window has been an utter s**tshow and damn right unforgivable. Without a doubt this is a relegation season and it’s not even the players fault for once. This is on Roland Wycherley, Brian Caldwell & Steve Cotterill. Totally unacceptable and shambolic in the transfer market.
I think SC either needs to walk or if not walked he needs to be pushed, TONIGHT. We can’t head into an FA Cup tie potentially live on TV vs a non league minnow with this dinosaur in charge. It’s an upset waiting to happen!! Stratford Town will have 65% possession and we’ll be dead on our feet on a heavy pitch by the second half. The last thing any of us fans want or need is to see Salop humiliated on live TV.
Get him gone tonight Roland if you have any sense about you.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 19, 2021 22:10:01 GMT 1
I struggle to see how a team that played the majority of the game with 5 midfielders only managed 36% possession. Because they're not really all midfielders? I struggle to see how we can find 5 actual midfielders for any team. Match stats say the shots were 13-10 but none on target for us. Ten shots isn't bad for an away game but our shooting is usually rubbish. Result as expected. Cambridge game was always more important. Really need to win that now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 22:25:00 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 22:25:35 GMT 1
It’s a disappointing result yes. But remember we weren’t expected to get anything from this game, and the pressure was slightly off after the MK result. Saturday is a different matter though, and 3 points is a must. The reason we weren’t expecting anything is because our lineup was so disjointed and generally poor, but that’s because of SC and BC. If you look at the result on the night as a single game you think yeah, we had injuries and suspensions so had to field a weak team, you don’t expect a result, but had the club done their job properly in the first place we wouldn’t be in the situation of having probably the poorest squad in the league, and one which with a couple of injuries, can’t even field a structured team with players playing in their actual position, it’s embarrassing. The only time you really see clubs having to field squads like this is when they’re in huge financial crisis and are just trying to get by. Bolton started the season a while back playing a bunch of kids but that was exceptional circumstances. We don’t have an excuse. All the fans knew going into the season the squad wasn’t big or good enough, and we all knew parts of the season would come around where we have players missing and we can’t replace them therefore we drop points. It’s not acceptable for what’s seen as a well run club to be fielding a team like we did tonight. The fact that we matched Oxford up until half time is a credit to the players and really poor by Oxford, but it would have been a miracle to keep it up for 90 minutes. Tonight’s result doesn’t come down to the players not putting effort in, what they’ve done in training or preparation, missing chances of defensive errors, it all comes down to the summer window, a professional L1 club shouldn’t be rocking up to a game with what we had tonight. I can accept going somewhere like Oxford and losing but I’m still not over how dreadfully the club dealt with the transfer window, and now we’re feeling the effects.
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 19, 2021 22:28:15 GMT 1
It could be a histon revisited, if we don't pull our fingers out🙈🙈😲😲
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 19, 2021 22:28:50 GMT 1
It's shaping up to be that way
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Post by horse01 on Oct 19, 2021 22:29:57 GMT 1
Does the Salop training go something like:
SC: Get yourselves on the pitch and start running around. It doesn’t matter where, just run. PLAYER: But gaffer, do we not go in position? SC: Don’t worry about that, there is no set pattern, no formation. Just run. PLAYER: Are we getting a ball out gaffer? SC: You won’t need a ball. You very rarely have one to play with on a match day, so we don’t need one in training. Just run.
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Post by The Tactician on Oct 19, 2021 23:04:05 GMT 1
That was poor as per usual. It’s a sad state of affairs when you head into a game against a team in your own division and not even feel confident of having a shot on target in an hour & a half of football. Just sad. I’m past the point of being angry, just feel myself losing more and more interest as the seasons tick by and the poor gaffers keep rolling in and out. The summer transfer window has been an utter s**tshow and damn right unforgivable. Without a doubt this is a relegation season and it’s not even the players fault for once. This is on Roland Wycherley, Brian Caldwell & Steve Cotterill. Totally unacceptable and shambolic in the transfer market. I think SC either needs to walk or if not walked he needs to be pushed, TONIGHT. We can’t head into an FA Cup tie potentially live on TV vs a non league minnow with this dinosaur in charge. It’s an upset waiting to happen!! Stratford Town will have 65% possession and we’ll be dead on our feet on a heavy pitch by the second half. The last thing any of us fans want or need is to see Salop humiliated on live TV. Get him gone tonight Roland if you have any sense about you. I agree with all this except the part where you want him sacked. Nobody is going to do anything with this squad until January because we simply have no midfield. The summer was an absolute disgrace, which the majority said at the time, & this is a club sleep walking to relegation. With all the square pegs in round holes this is as bad as the whole Ricketts era, as well as the end of the Turner & Mellon spells.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 19, 2021 23:12:51 GMT 1
That was poor as per usual. It’s a sad state of affairs when you head into a game against a team in your own division and not even feel confident of having a shot on target in an hour & a half of football. Just sad. I’m past the point of being angry, just feel myself losing more and more interest as the seasons tick by and the poor gaffers keep rolling in and out. The summer transfer window has been an utter s**tshow and damn right unforgivable. Without a doubt this is a relegation season and it’s not even the players fault for once. This is on Roland Wycherley, Brian Caldwell & Steve Cotterill. Totally unacceptable and shambolic in the transfer market. I think SC either needs to walk or if not walked he needs to be pushed, TONIGHT. We can’t head into an FA Cup tie potentially live on TV vs a non league minnow with this dinosaur in charge. It’s an upset waiting to happen!! Stratford Town will have 65% possession and we’ll be dead on our feet on a heavy pitch by the second half. The last thing any of us fans want or need is to see Salop humiliated on live TV. Get him gone tonight Roland if you have any sense about you. I agree with all this except the part where you want him sacked. Nobody is going to do anything with this squad until January because we simply have no midfield. The summer was an absolute disgrace, which the majority said at the time, & this is a club sleep walking to relegation. With all the square pegs in round holes this is as bad as the whole Ricketts era, as well as the end of the Turner & Mellon spells. not sure about sleepwalking to relegation I think we provisionally booked a trip to league 2 back in July
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Post by chestershrew on Oct 19, 2021 23:18:48 GMT 1
My eyesight may not be what it was, but I am sure that was the most obvious 4-3-3 set up you could get, despite what the commentary suggested. With Whalley and Bennett either side of Davis who sat deeper in a midfield three. The wide players then dropped into a midfield 5 when defending deep. (Until the subs came on.)
I also don’t think it was implemented too badly (apart a spell at the start of the second half) by a side where many were playing out of position. Two goals that a keeper should have done better for the points.
The issue is the recruitment, as that 4-3-3 contained
CB - CB - CB - LWB ———-DM———- —-RB ———RW— CF ——CF ——CF
Only 4/5 players in their best / most natural position.
That shows such a poor summer recruitment to me as we don’t have enough players to field a side where players are playing in positions where they have their most experience.
I also think that despite three natural centre forwards on the field the movement in the box was poor when we did attack.
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 20, 2021 0:43:14 GMT 1
We actually played much better tonight than we did against MK Dons, particularly first half. We had more intent and actually put together some nice stuff, that being said we still had our usual glaring issue - creation. I think we had one chance from it all, and they perhaps had 1, maybe 2.
We fell apart for 10 minutes when they scored though and lucky they didn’t make it safe in that spell. We then, to our credit I suppose, steadied the ship and a group of hardworking players effectively battled to absolutely no avail. Devoid of ideas or any proper quality, and with nothing on the bench that could truly help us.
The problems we have are all of our own making. As a club, as a manager.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 20, 2021 7:28:01 GMT 1
goal from a corner, who'd have thought it yet again from pulling everyone back which allows opponents to push more players forward leaving plenty of free time and space for their players on the edge of out penalty area.
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Post by darkshrew on Oct 20, 2021 8:09:43 GMT 1
Cosgrove three touches two fouls !! I thought he did well, made at least half a dozen passes, set up ogbeta who blasted well over, not sure where cosgrove was meant to be playing like I know that you like defending lost causes, and I agree it would have to go some to match Saturday; but when you see him 5 yards closer than Whalley to the Oxford man with the ball, yet it is Whalley who puts the challenge in you have to ask why. When you consider the age gap and the fact that Whalley had run his legs off for 80 minutes while Cosgrove was sitting on the bench with the occasional stroll up the touchline, you surely have to question his application a bit ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 8:15:00 GMT 1
The most annoying (and I use the term loosely) thing about the utter s**tshow of the season is it was utterly predictable and it is completely of our own doing. I understand why Cotterill has to put a brave face on it and he can't say 'yeah we ****ed up, the squad is weak and we are relegation fodder', I really just want to know why a man of his experience either thought that this squad was good enough (I dont think he did) or why we couldn't bring in other players. I fail to believe that there weren't/aren't players out there who would want to sign for us and could have some value.
I hate the way some of our fans are obsessed with old players and I think they inflate the ability of them once they have left, but this squad is so poor that the likes of Walker & Goss would walk straight into the team. And as was pointed out last night, let's not forget that Udoh & Pyke are regularly involved in the first team, a sure sign that this squad has got worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 8:19:41 GMT 1
goal from a corner, who'd have thought it yet again from pulling everyone back which allows opponents to push more players forward leaving plenty of free time and space for their players on the edge of out penalty area. I think Roland must make that a mandatory tactical choice of any STFC manager. Maybe I'm over exaggerating how many times it happens but when it's our corner and a defender clears it they regularly have a player up front who pressures our defence and we go back to the keeper, but when its the other way around, they are free to get it back into the box. We are just inviting pressure
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 8:46:58 GMT 1
Our current predicament (both on and off the pitch) is still very difficult to take but I'm resigned now to us losing even before we've kicked off. After last night I just shrugged my shoulders in bewilderment.
It's sad that my anger and disappointment with my club has now turned to apathy.
The powers that be at the GM have really made a dogs dinner of this season ☹
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 20, 2021 8:52:36 GMT 1
Snap. I really have had it at the moment. It’s all so predictable.
We’re not sleepwalking to relegation we are galloping - well we would be if we could be bothered to gallop.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 8:58:35 GMT 1
Lets not forget according to SC,we have one of the best keepers in the division...... I haven't seen anything to even suggest even average. i think he ment to say the national league
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 8:59:29 GMT 1
Bottom 4 all losing at the moment... just as well
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Post by AlisonS on Oct 20, 2021 9:00:40 GMT 1
Snap. I really have had it at the moment. It’s all so predictable. We’re not sleepwalking to relegation we are galloping - well we would be if we could be bothered to gallop. Except that last night we did. There was a lot of energy and movement in the first half - it was even entertaining. Just a shame we switched off on the restart - all uphill after that
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 9:08:01 GMT 1
It’s a disappointing result yes. But remember we weren’t expected to get anything from this game, and the pressure was slightly off after the MK result. Saturday is a different matter though, and 3 points is a must. The reason we weren’t expecting anything is because our lineup was so disjointed and generally poor, but that’s because of SC and BC. If you look at the result on the night as a single game you think yeah, we had injuries and suspensions so had to field a weak team, you don’t expect a result, but had the club done their job properly in the first place we wouldn’t be in the situation of having probably the poorest squad in the league, and one which with a couple of injuries, can’t even field a structured team with players playing in their actual position, it’s embarrassing. The only time you really see clubs having to field squads like this is when they’re in huge financial crisis and are just trying to get by. Bolton started the season a while back playing a bunch of kids but that was exceptional circumstances. We don’t have an excuse. All the fans knew going into the season the squad wasn’t big or good enough, and we all knew parts of the season would come around where we have players missing and we can’t replace them therefore we drop points. It’s not acceptable for what’s seen as a well run club to be fielding a team like we did tonight. The fact that we matched Oxford up until half time is a credit to the players and really poor by Oxford, but it would have been a miracle to keep it up for 90 minutes. Tonight’s result doesn’t come down to the players not putting effort in, what they’ve done in training or preparation, missing chances of defensive errors, it all comes down to the summer window, a professional L1 club shouldn’t be rocking up to a game with what we had tonight. I can accept going somewhere like Oxford and losing but I’m still not over how dreadfully the club dealt with the transfer window, and now we’re feeling the effects. i agree with evrything you writen samharvey and unfortently many fans fears about the dismal failure in pre season have materalized. the other issue i have is the coaching we see the defence and kepper making mistakes often the same ones and there is no progression
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2021 9:08:49 GMT 1
Still difficult to take but I'm resigned now to us losing even before we've kicked off. After last night I just shrugged my shoulders, it's sad that my anger and disappointment with my club has now turned to apathy. on the same page as you on this one
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Post by horse01 on Oct 20, 2021 9:22:02 GMT 1
My eyesight may not be what it was, but I am sure that was the most obvious 4-3-3 set up you could get, despite what the commentary suggested. With Whalley and Bennett either side of Davis who sat deeper in a midfield three. The wide players then dropped into a midfield 5 when defending deep. (Until the subs came on.) I also don’t think it was implemented too badly (apart a spell at the start of the second half) by a side where many were playing out of position. Two goals that a keeper should have done better for the points. The issue is the recruitment, as that 4-3-3 contained CB - CB - CB - LWB ———-DM———- —-RB ———RW— CF ——CF ——CF Only 4/5 players in their best / most natural position. That shows such a poor summer recruitment to me as we don’t have enough players to field a side where players are playing in positions where they have their most experience. I also think that despite three natural centre forwards on the field the movement in the box was poor when we did attack. You say the most obvious 4-3-3 and then give a diagram of 4-1-2-3. This is one of the issues, the formation is so confusing that half the time, the players look lost and end up just running around aimlessly.
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Post by Lancsman on Oct 20, 2021 9:32:38 GMT 1
I have taken in the comments made on the squad we have ended up with and the performances each week and I have to agree with everything that’s been said. This situation cannot go on, enough is enough.
Wycherley wants to sell and will not invest any further on the field. There are three possible answers to this is, - we bring in new quality players - we change the manager or both. The only way that any of these possibilities can happen a new Chairman. The injection of funds to do this must happen soon so why is the Takeover taking so long. If nothing else we need to know when this will take place, because all we see is a club on free fall. As a club, behind the scenes and on the field, we are p*****g in the wind. All the fans are doing is throwing money down the drain. FFS ….someone tell us something !!!!
I hope the club read this.
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