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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2021 13:04:32 GMT 1
I've always said most of our songs are cringeworthy and full of abuse and swearing nothing funny nothing original nothing positive Funny is a matter of opinion, original is rare. We have loads of positive songs about the club and various players. That's blatantly untrue. Looking forward to taking my place in Block 19 later 👍🎤 yes funny is a matter of opinion , 2 lads thought acting like a monkey was funny last week positive is a matter of opinion too and rare
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 23, 2021 13:06:26 GMT 1
What was the sixth line then in the Mambo version? I think the point is with Marty Harold it’s verging on sexist and gingerist yet with Mambo it was racist stereotyping black people as having a large cock! Many are saying they’ve never heard racist chants in block 19. Care to explain how suggesting someone has a large cock (as you put it) is racist? just for reference as I look forward to your reply: racist noun [ C ] disapproving - someone who believes that their race makes them better, more intelligent, more moral, etc. than people of other races and who does or says unfair or harmful things as a result
- coming from or having the belief that people who belong to other races are not as good, intelligent, moral, etc. as people who belong to your own race
- Relating to policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 23, 2021 13:26:23 GMT 1
Care to explain how suggesting someone has a large cock (as you put it) is racist? just for reference as I look forward to your reply: racist noun [ C ] disapproving - someone who believes that their race makes them better, more intelligent, more moral, etc. than people of other races and who does or says unfair or harmful things as a result
- coming from or having the belief that people who belong to other races are not as good, intelligent, moral, etc. as people who belong to your own race
- Relating to policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Yes the idea that black men were a risk to white women was a big issue in America during the abolition of slavery. The suggestion was that as black men were generally physically bigger (all round) than white men they couldn't be trusted around white women and would need to be segragated. This was even a fear some wanting to abolish slavery held, and lasted well into the 20th century, when even mainstream books and films depicted black men as threats to white women.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 23, 2021 13:33:48 GMT 1
Funny is a matter of opinion, original is rare. We have loads of positive songs about the club and various players. That's blatantly untrue. Looking forward to taking my place in Block 19 later 👍🎤 positive is a matter of opinion too and rare Pilch your argument loses all substance when you tell porkies.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 23, 2021 13:36:23 GMT 1
Care to explain how suggesting someone has a large cock (as you put it) is racist? just for reference as I look forward to your reply: racist noun [ C ] disapproving - someone who believes that their race makes them better, more intelligent, more moral, etc. than people of other races and who does or says unfair or harmful things as a result
- coming from or having the belief that people who belong to other races are not as good, intelligent, moral, etc. as people who belong to your own race
- Relating to policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 23, 2021 13:38:36 GMT 1
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. Well if you feel it’s acceptable to chant about black people and their big cocks then you’re an idiot, and most importantly you’re clearly part of the problem. I think you are totally uneducated.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2021 13:39:31 GMT 1
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. So negative stereotypical behaviour is racist, but "positive" stereotypical behaviour isn't? Wow.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2021 13:42:23 GMT 1
positive is a matter of opinion too and rare Pilch your argument loses all substance when you tell porkies. whatever any ideas where Cambridge is, I reckon a bus stop in Hilton , they will bring a fat barsteward who is also a peedo and their away support will be ****ing s**t boring zzz
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 23, 2021 13:48:13 GMT 1
What was the sixth line then in the Mambo version? I think the point is with Marty Harold it’s verging on sexist and gingerist yet with Mambo it was racist stereotyping black people as having a large cock! Many are saying they’ve never heard racist chants in block 19. Care to explain how suggesting someone has a large cock (as you put it) is racist? just for reference as I look forward to your reply: racist noun [ C ] disapproving - someone who believes that their race makes them better, more intelligent, more moral, etc. than people of other races and who does or says unfair or harmful things as a result
- coming from or having the belief that people who belong to other races are not as good, intelligent, moral, etc. as people who belong to your own race
- Relating to policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race
Now I see the problem in block 19
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 23, 2021 13:52:55 GMT 1
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Yes the idea that black men were a risk to white women was a big issue in America during the abolition of slavery. The suggestion was that as black men were generally physically bigger (all round) than white men they couldn't be trusted around white women and would need to be segragated. This was even a fear some wanting to abolish slavery held, and lasted well into the 20th century, when even mainstream books and films depicted black men as threats to white women. Interesting, I was taking the comment on face value and the fact it is a well known stereotype. What you say is obviously racist. That said studies have been completed that concluded that African men have bigger penis's on average than other ethnic groups. I imagine the chant came from the stereotype (which would have evolved from the events that you mentioned) rather than a result of study. The chant on its own isn't racist imo, however when you consider its origin it clearly is. The problem is how far do you go with being offended by stereotypes? All Blacks are great basketball players. All Asians are geniuses. All Indians are deeply spiritual. All Latinos dance well. All Whites are successful. Asians have high IQs. They are smarter than most in Math and Science. These people are more likely to succeed in school. African Americans can dance. All Canadians are exceptionally polite. French are romantic. All Asians know kung fu. All African American men are well endowed. Italians are good lovers.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 23, 2021 13:54:56 GMT 1
Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. Well if you feel it’s acceptable to chant about black people and their big cocks then you’re an idiot, and most importantly you’re clearly part of the problem. I think you are totally uneducated. Toney and Lukaku have recently asked their teams fans to stop singing songs about this as it's offensive to them
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Oct 23, 2021 13:56:50 GMT 1
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. I knew David Brent was based on an amalgamation of real life car crashes, but I didn’t realise you’d crossed paths with Ricky Gervais. Pughy - you’re a busy man, so doubt you can spare the full two minutes for this video. If you could go straight to 1 minutes 45 seconds that would also be fine.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 23, 2021 13:58:04 GMT 1
Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. So negative stereotypical behaviour is racist, but "positive" stereotypical behaviour isn't? Wow. For what its worth I see racism as treating someone different, denying opportunity and generally looking down on someone because of their race. Saying they have a big penis on its own is none of these however as I have stated in the above I was unaware of the origins of the stereotype. If that particular chat was sung in the future, knowing what I now do I would not join in.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 23, 2021 14:03:29 GMT 1
So negative stereotypical behaviour is racist, but "positive" stereotypical behaviour isn't? Wow. For what its worth I see racism as treating someone different, denying opportunity and generally looking down on someone because of their race. Saying they have a big penis on its own is none of these however as I have stated in the above I was unaware of the origins of the stereotype. If that particular chat was sung in the future, knowing what I now do I would not join in. It's a fair point. A lot of seemingly innocent phrases and sayings often have their back ground in actions or periods of history that have impacted on different sections of society and without knowing the context of them. A bit of knowledge about them often leads to a sudden realisation of why some people may be offended by them
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 23, 2021 14:19:23 GMT 1
Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. Well if you feel it’s acceptable to chant about black people and their big cocks then you’re an idiot, and most importantly you’re clearly part of the problem. I think you are totally uneducated. Go away and come back when you learn to have a reasoned debate without throwing about personal insults.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 16:33:00 GMT 1
Funny is a matter of opinion, original is rare. We have loads of positive songs about the club and various players. That's blatantly untrue. Looking forward to taking my place in Block 19 later 👍🎤 yes funny is a matter of opinion , 2 lads thought acting like a monkey was funny last week positive is a matter of opinion too and rare You'd rather talk utter s**te than concede a point in an argument, wouldn't you? Pitiful.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2021 17:50:01 GMT 1
Let’s move on , I know where pughy is coming from here but you just can’t get away with certain things now and it’s changing quick so it’s best to join the right side of the fence, agree with it and educate others to do the same
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 23, 2021 18:11:27 GMT 1
Well the **** off Cosgrove chants from the south stand were pretty embarrassing.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 23, 2021 18:14:10 GMT 1
Well the **** off Cosgrove chants from the south stand were pretty embarrassing. When was this? I sit in the South and didn’t hear them
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 23, 2021 18:23:10 GMT 1
Well the **** off Cosgrove chants from the south stand were pretty embarrassing. When was this? I sit in the South and didn’t hear them Can’t exactly remember it was either just before kick or very early on the first half but it definitely happened.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 24, 2021 8:27:35 GMT 1
When was this? I sit in the South and didn’t hear them Can’t exactly remember it was either just before kick or very early on the first half but it definitely happened. Must have been very isolated and near you couldn’t be heard fro block 10 row P in SS
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 24, 2021 8:58:30 GMT 1
Because it’s a stereo type of a black person. Just because something is a stereotype does not mean it is racist. I have clearly posted the definition and that stereotype does not fall into that definition. If someone said Asians have small penis's then yes I can understand as having a small penis is seen as a weakness. The things we get to discuss here on B&A. Anyhow, how can I put this. What say then if you happen to be a person who doesn't live up to a particular "positive" stereotype?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 24, 2021 9:11:36 GMT 1
Can’t exactly remember it was either just before kick or very early on the first half but it definitely happened. Must have been very isolated and near you couldn’t be heard fro block 10 row P in SS Was sung to the tune of this. Last time we told one of own you **** off we got the manager the sack and it was all down hill from there.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2021 10:10:59 GMT 1
Must have been very isolated and near you couldn’t be heard fro block 10 row P in SS Was sung to the tune of this. Last time we told one of own you **** off we got the manager the sack and it was all down hill from there. if that an anagram ?
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 24, 2021 10:38:07 GMT 1
Must have been very isolated and near you couldn’t be heard fro block 10 row P in SS Was sung to the tune of this. Last time we told one of own you **** off we got the manager the sack and it was all down hill from there. Must have been while I was engrossed in the game. Couple if my pet hates… Politely clapping the subs when they warm up. Singling out any individual with personal abuse, too many footballers suffer depression or even suicide. Sam Cosgroves proved himself at a higher level than us just hasn’t worked for him yet.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 24, 2021 10:43:57 GMT 1
Was sung to the tune of this. Last time we told one of own you **** off we got the manager the sack and it was all down hill from there. Must have been while I was engrossed in the game. Couple if my pet hates… Politely clapping the subs when they warm up. Singling out any individual with personal abuse, too many footballers suffer depression or even suicide. Sam Cosgroves proved himself at a higher level than us just hasn’t worked for him yet. For what it’s worth I think he’s a great finisher but just so so lazy, Bowman and Udoh showed him up yesterday. No doubt he’ll get another opportunity before January so let’s hope he’s some inspiration from yesterday.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 24, 2021 10:51:48 GMT 1
I can never understand abuse by supporters aimed at their own players . Absolutely bloody pathetic , it’s certainly going to encourage them isn’t it? make them feel shall we say wanted and valued or whatever . I must be in a minority because I could never understand the abuse aimed at Askey , a decent man who was doing his best . Thought he could have done ok for us but there you go . I am referring to infantile personal abuse here not criticism which is entirely different . You can be critical without being abusive.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2021 11:01:54 GMT 1
I can never understand abuse by supporters aimed at their own players . Absolutely bloody pathetic , it’s certainly going to encourage them isn’t it? make them feel shall we say wanted and valued or whatever . I must be in a minority because I could never understand the abuse aimed at Askey , a decent man who was doing his best . Thought he could have done ok for us but there you go . I am referring to infantile personal abuse here not criticism which is entirely different . You can be critical without being abusive. in my experience the abuse isn't aimed at our own players ( they are not that brave ) its usually shouted just so their mates can hear it and all put on a false giggle have had the misfortune to end up by a few of these at various away games
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 24, 2021 11:13:43 GMT 1
I can never understand abuse by supporters aimed at their own players . Absolutely bloody pathetic , it’s certainly going to encourage them isn’t it? make them feel shall we say wanted and valued or whatever . I must be in a minority because I could never understand the abuse aimed at Askey , a decent man who was doing his best . Thought he could have done ok for us but there you go . I am referring to infantile personal abuse here not criticism which is entirely different . You can be critical without being abusive. Some absolute was giving Bowman dogs abuse away at Bolton. I hope the loser slept well last night
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 12:00:00 GMT 1
Well the **** off Cosgrove chants from the south stand were pretty embarrassing. I struggle to believe this, surely everyone knows Block 19 is the root of all evil?!
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