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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 21:13:14 GMT 1
Johnson lied and lied and lied again. They thought that if they lied enough people would get bored, forget about it and move on. They treated us with utter contempt. Some on here are ok with that, gullible ****in muppets! It’s not about cake it’s about honesty and integrity, unless you’re a tory boot kicker in which case it’s about Kier Starmer making it tough for the police, despite the fact that the police seemed to manage against the actual prime minister and chancellor of the exchequer!
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2022 21:23:10 GMT 1
Johnson lied and lied and lied again. They thought that if they lied enough people would get bored, forget about it and move on. They treated us with utter contempt. Some on here are ok with that, gullible ****in muppets! It’s not about cake it’s about honesty and integrity, unless you’re a tory boot kicker in which case it’s about Kier Starmer making it tough for the police, despite the fact that the police seemed to manage against the actual prime minister and chancellor of the exchequer! and starmer stopped briefly for a take away. ( 80s minutes ) and drank alcohol whilst working on the by election no wonder it went badly not the first man to flop after drinking alcohol
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 10, 2022 22:28:56 GMT 1
Johnson lied and lied and lied again. They thought that if they lied enough people would get bored, forget about it and move on. They treated us with utter contempt. Some on here are ok with that, gullible ****in muppets! It’s not about cake it’s about honesty and integrity, unless you’re a tory boot kicker in which case it’s about Kier Starmer making it tough for the police, despite the fact that the police seemed to manage against the actual prime minister and chancellor of the exchequer! and starmer stopped briefly for a take away. ( 80s minutes ) and drank alcohol whilst working on the by election no wonder it went badly not the first man to flop after drinking alcohol Seeing as you’re now on about drinking at work, let’s just wait for the full Sue Gray report. The redacted one still managed to say there was a drinking culture in the government, and we’ve all heard about the civil servants piling beers into suitcases so I for one am looking forward to the details
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Post by Pilch on May 10, 2022 23:06:08 GMT 1
and starmer stopped briefly for a take away. ( 80s minutes ) and drank alcohol whilst working on the by election no wonder it went badly not the first man to flop after drinking alcohol Seeing as you’re now on about drinking at work, let’s just wait for the full Sue Gray report. The redacted one still managed to say there was a drinking culture in the government, and we’ve all heard about the civil servants piling beers into suitcases so I for one am looking forward to the details why wait ? do you think I'm supporting Boris or something, I said last year he should have been removed from office for breaking the rules and resigning should not even have been an option I also said, I saw no difference whatsoever in what Boris did to what kier did
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Post by davycrockett on May 11, 2022 8:00:28 GMT 1
No offence but I think that’s rubbish. The Met Police said exactly the same when first asked to investigate retrospectively but changed their minds under pressure…Your suggesting Durham police may after investigating retrospectively (which is against their policy) May publicly find him in breach of the rules but not fine him……. Time will tell but think they’ll follow the Met IF they find him guilty… Ive said it before the golden bullet that makes Boris’s birthday party different to Starmer’s working ‘lunch’ was the fact Boris’s wife and decorator were present so difficult to say it was work. It’s all bollox to be honest….BJ and RS have accepted their wrong doing and paid there fines. Focus is on Keir Starmer . Are they guilty of the same most likely…..should they get fined ….because a precedent as already been set then probably. Should Boris and Starmer be resigning, most certainly not because during the pandemic the probably both worked burning the candles at both ends, and the refreshment gatherings are hardly parties ( unlike some close neighbours of ours, Headteacher and assistant head both of different schools who showed a total disregard to lockdown with many visitors and get together at their home), and I am sure did many others, plus let’s not forget this packed beaches and thousands at demonstrations. Hang on. You’ve completely ignored the fact Boris’s wife and interior decorator were at Boris’s party that was supposed to be a work break with refreshments….
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 11, 2022 8:06:48 GMT 1
It’s all bollox to be honest….BJ and RS have accepted their wrong doing and paid there fines. Focus is on Keir Starmer . Are they guilty of the same most likely…..should they get fined ….because a precedent as already been set then probably. Should Boris and Starmer be resigning, most certainly not because during the pandemic the probably both worked burning the candles at both ends, and the refreshment gatherings are hardly parties ( unlike some close neighbours of ours, Headteacher and assistant head both of different schools who showed a total disregard to lockdown with many visitors and get together at their home), and I am sure did many others, plus let’s not forget this packed beaches and thousands at demonstrations. Hang on. You’ve completely ignored the fact Boris’s wife and interior decorator were at Boris’s party that was supposed to be a work break with refreshments…. Well it is their home as well and she does live there, and as for the decorator being there, it could have been the plumber.
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Post by davycrockett on May 11, 2022 8:15:13 GMT 1
Hang on. You’ve completely ignored the fact Boris’s wife and interior decorator were at Boris’s party that was supposed to be a work break with refreshments…. Well it is their home as well and she does live there, and as for the decorator being there, it could have been the plumber. Not so sure about that “From 1997 onwards, Prime Ministers Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson chose to reside for all or part of their term of office at Number 11, as its residential apartment is larger than Number 10.”
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 11, 2022 8:21:30 GMT 1
Additionally I don’t have a problem with Labour having a curry and beer when they were up in Durham campaigning, even though like the Tories have also not been 100% truthful. I suppose that’s what happens when the media are pestering and desperate to find a sensational story.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 11, 2022 9:05:26 GMT 1
Additionally I don’t have a problem with Labour having a curry and beer when they were up in Durham campaigning, even though like the Tories have also not been 100% truthful. I suppose that’s what happens when the media are pestering and desperate to find a sensational story. labour would have done better to just put there hands up and be truthful as soon as the news item came up, the problem for starmer was he had labasted Boris over part gate now we have curry gate, both of which distract from the crisis many familys face spiraling bills , inflation, high levels of personal debt and low income familys and pensioners are have to balance to heat or eat. as much as i hate to say this perhaps it is time to put a two year halt on foreign aid of £14 billion and help the most vunerable, some of which should be spent on 3 to 5 age group 20% of children at this age have a devlopmental problem , if this is not resloved this grop tend to do badly in edcuation , drop out of education ,have mental health problems , or commit crimes that over time end up in prison sentances, cost to services is high fromhealth costs, insurance, police time, impact on society.what is also needed is parneting classes for parents of this group and affordable child care. an Australian campaigner is trying to change this; www.facebook.com/ThriveByFiveCampaign/
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Post by block12massive on May 11, 2022 9:23:52 GMT 1
Additionally I don’t have a problem with Labour having a curry and beer when they were up in Durham campaigning, even though like the Tories have also not been 100% truthful. I suppose that’s what happens when the media are pestering and desperate to find a sensational story. I think it's pure dumbing down of society by the media and this has been going on for a while. No one in their heart of heart really cares if Starmer had a curry and a bottle of beer. Just as I don't think many people were that arsed about the whole 'partygate' thing either - Not that it stopped Starmer and his party politicising members of the public's grief as a way to bash the PM yet leaving himself completely wide open to his own alleged 'misdemeanours'. The tit for tat from both sides is embarrassing.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2022 9:39:28 GMT 1
What nonsense is this, other than a blatant attempt to get votes? Even the Daily Mail says that! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10804317/Whole-streets-veto-built-area.htmlResidents will be able to veto housing projects in new planning rules that were watered down in the Queen's Speech amid concerns they would cause the Tories to lose rural votes by the wheelbarrow-load. Michael Gove's Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill will also allow 'street votes' where most loft conversions, conservatories and extensions can be built without full planning permission as long as a third of neighbours don't object. The Government also plans to raid more of developers' 'astronomical profits' to pay for more schools, roads and GP surgeries as an incentive if locals agree to more new houses in their areas. Residents will also be allowed to decide rules governing the layout and materials used for new developments in new 'local design codes' Ministers had proposed 'renewal zones' in which permission to build some homes would be granted automatically, but it caused uproar on the backbenches and was axed last year amid significant Conservative resistance. Yesterday Robert Jenrick, Mr Gove's predecessor as housing secretary, predicted the government would miss its target of 300,000 new homes a year 'by a country mile'. He of course was sacked after having brought in the original unpopular scheme.
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2022 11:38:22 GMT 1
and starmer stopped briefly for a take away. ( 80s minutes ) and drank alcohol whilst working on the by election no wonder it went badly not the first man to flop after drinking alcohol Seeing as you’re now on about drinking at work, let’s just wait for the full Sue Gray report. The redacted one still managed to say there was a drinking culture in the government, and we’ve all heard about the civil servants piling beers into suitcases so I for one am looking forward to the details Yeah but boris Yeah but boris Zzzzzz I was on about starmer
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Post by Valerioch on May 11, 2022 11:50:59 GMT 1
Seeing as you’re now on about drinking at work, let’s just wait for the full Sue Gray report. The redacted one still managed to say there was a drinking culture in the government, and we’ve all heard about the civil servants piling beers into suitcases so I for one am looking forward to the details Yeah but boris Yeah but boris Zzzzzz I was on about starmer Bit ironic from the master at moving the goalposts in a debate... What's the point in even debating this, nobody knows, lets see what the Rozzers and Ms Gray make of it. I know where my money will be though
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 11, 2022 12:07:06 GMT 1
Seeing as you’re now on about drinking at work, let’s just wait for the full Sue Gray report. The redacted one still managed to say there was a drinking culture in the government, and we’ve all heard about the civil servants piling beers into suitcases so I for one am looking forward to the details Yeah but boris Yeah but boris Zzzzzz I was on about starmer You weren’t specifically on about Starmer, more drinking on the job in general, as per the below post. All I was saying is that if a 10pm bottle of beer at work horrifies you let’s just wait and see what else will be exposed. imagine if you went to hospital and discovered the staff their had just stopped for a few beers imagine if your dentist smelt of alcohol imagine if the police or stewards had a drink for lunch before a football match imagine if a potential prime minister drunk whilst at work and god forgive a current prime minister eating a piece of cake at his home/work location ;-)
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2022 12:11:28 GMT 1
Michael Gove says that the Tories are no longer committed to their manifesto target of 300,000 new homes a year. He has in effect ripped up a target in the Conservative party’s 2019 manifesto for 300,000 new homes a year to be built by the middle of this decade. Not much point in manifestos any more it would seem: 'we will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance'. Broken. 'pensions will continue to increase each by either the cost of inflation, increasing wages or by 2.5%, whichever is highest'. Broken. www.itv.com/news/2021-09-07/pension-triple-lock-to-be-suspended-as-tories-break-another-manifesto-pledgeAnd now this.
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Post by davycrockett on May 11, 2022 12:14:22 GMT 1
Michael Gove says that the Tories are no longer committed to its manifesto target of 300,000 new homes a year. He has in effect ripped up a target in the Conservative party’s 2019 manifesto for 300,000 new homes to be built a year by the middle of this decade. Not much point in manifestos any more it would seem: 'we will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance'. Broken. 'pensions will continue to increase each by either the cost of inflation, increasing wages or by 2.5%, whichever is highest'. Broken. www.itv.com/news/2021-09-07/pension-triple-lock-to-be-suspended-as-tories-break-another-manifesto-pledgeAnd now this. At least we’ve got our 40 new hospital to look forward to and the long awaited ban on furs and fois gras, not before time…….
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2022 12:29:54 GMT 1
Michael Gove says that the Tories are no longer committed to its manifesto target of 300,000 new homes a year. He has in effect ripped up a target in the Conservative party’s 2019 manifesto for 300,000 new homes to be built a year by the middle of this decade. Not much point in manifestos any more it would seem: 'we will not raise the rate of income tax, VAT or National Insurance'. Broken. 'pensions will continue to increase each by either the cost of inflation, increasing wages or by 2.5%, whichever is highest'. Broken. www.itv.com/news/2021-09-07/pension-triple-lock-to-be-suspended-as-tories-break-another-manifesto-pledgeAnd now this. At least we’ve got our 40 new hospital to look forward to and the long awaited ban on furs and fois gras, not before time……. Not according to this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/59372348There won't be 40 more hospitals by 2030. The projects that do involve building entirely new general hospitals are designed to coincide with the closure of old hospitals. And they were both due to open before the government made its hospitals pledge. As for furs and foie gras: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10802023/Has-Carrie-lost-touch-Ministers-drop-plans-stop-imports-fur-foie-gras-Britain.htmlThe Government has confirmed it has dropped plans to ban imports of fur and foie gras.
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Post by servernaside on May 11, 2022 12:46:15 GMT 1
Johnson lied and lied and lied again. They thought that if they lied enough people would get bored, forget about it and move on. They treated us with utter contempt. Some on here are ok with that, gullible ****in muppets! It’s not about cake it’s about honesty and integrity, unless you’re a tory boot kicker in which case it’s about Kier Starmer making it tough for the police, despite the fact that the police seemed to manage against the actual prime minister and chancellor of the exchequer! Most people did get bored.....except you, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 13:27:13 GMT 1
Johnson lied and lied and lied again. They thought that if they lied enough people would get bored, forget about it and move on. They treated us with utter contempt. Some on here are ok with that, gullible ****in muppets! It’s not about cake it’s about honesty and integrity, unless you’re a tory boot kicker in which case it’s about Kier Starmer making it tough for the police, despite the fact that the police seemed to manage against the actual prime minister and chancellor of the exchequer! Most people did get bored.....except you, apparently. And along pop the tory boot lickers!
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2022 14:16:42 GMT 1
Yeah but boris Yeah but boris Zzzzzz I was on about starmer Bit ironic from the master at moving the goalposts in a debate... What's the point in even debating this, nobody knows, lets see what the Rozzers and Ms Gray make of it. I know where my money will be though Oh no , it’s about boris and me now Still no mention of starmer 🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 14:18:15 GMT 1
Who knew that when people were complaining about covidiots and the selfish folk who were ignoring the guidance/rules over the last 2 years, they weren't referring to the great British public but in fact it was the politicians and the people around them.
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Post by davycrockett on May 11, 2022 14:34:52 GMT 1
Bit ironic from the master at moving the goalposts in a debate... What's the point in even debating this, nobody knows, lets see what the Rozzers and Ms Gray make of it. I know where my money will be though Oh no , it’s about boris and me now Still no mention of starmer 🤔 Pilch I’m sure you do understand the difference Boris accused of taking part and denied it. Police investigation found he had and was guilty..but won’t resign Starmer accused of taking part and denied it Police investigation under way but not complete . Starmer’s said he’ll resign if guilty
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Post by block12massive on May 11, 2022 14:54:13 GMT 1
'If' guilty.
Starmer's press conference the other day was a deliberate ploy to put untenable pressure on Durham Police who have now been forced into a position of knowing that if they were to find him guilty that they would be opening themselves up to accusations that they are interfering in politics.
I'd find it very difficult to conceive the idea that a career lawyer and knight of the realm would fall on his sword so willingly if he didn't think he had a watertight case / could somehow prejudice the outcome in his favour.
He's also got the Dominic Cummings lockdown breach in the same police jurisdiction as an ace up his sleeve as well.
To his supporters, a humble man of principle.
To his detractors, a man guilty as sin at least on the charge of hypocrisy.
I know which one I think.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 11, 2022 15:20:13 GMT 1
'If' guilty. Starmer's press conference the other day was a deliberate ploy to put untenable pressure on Durham Police who have now been forced into a position of knowing that if they were to find him guilty that they would be opening themselves up to accusations that they are interfering in politics. I'd find it very difficult to conceive the idea that a career lawyer and knight of the realm would fall on his sword so willingly if he didn't think he had a watertight case / could somehow prejudice the outcome in his favour. He's also got the Dominic Cummings lockdown breach in the same police jurisdiction as an ace up his sleeve as well. To his supporters, a humble man of principle. To his detractors, a man guilty as sin at least on the charge of hypocrisy. I know which one I think. It’s nice defence that the hardened Tories have already got lined up if he isn’t charged - he intimidated the police into not prosecuting.
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Post by northwestman on May 11, 2022 15:53:55 GMT 1
'If' guilty. Starmer's press conference the other day was a deliberate ploy to put untenable pressure on Durham Police who have now been forced into a position of knowing that if they were to find him guilty that they would be opening themselves up to accusations that they are interfering in politics. I'd find it very difficult to conceive the idea that a career lawyer and knight of the realm would fall on his sword so willingly if he didn't think he had a watertight case / could somehow prejudice the outcome in his favour. He's also got the Dominic Cummings lockdown breach in the same police jurisdiction as an ace up his sleeve as well. To his supporters, a humble man of principle. To his detractors, a man guilty as sin at least on the charge of hypocrisy. I know which one I think. And your views on Johnson?
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Post by block12massive on May 11, 2022 16:16:49 GMT 1
'If' guilty. Starmer's press conference the other day was a deliberate ploy to put untenable pressure on Durham Police who have now been forced into a position of knowing that if they were to find him guilty that they would be opening themselves up to accusations that they are interfering in politics. I'd find it very difficult to conceive the idea that a career lawyer and knight of the realm would fall on his sword so willingly if he didn't think he had a watertight case / could somehow prejudice the outcome in his favour. He's also got the Dominic Cummings lockdown breach in the same police jurisdiction as an ace up his sleeve as well. To his supporters, a humble man of principle. To his detractors, a man guilty as sin at least on the charge of hypocrisy. I know which one I think. And your views on Johnson? Should have resigned.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 16:58:01 GMT 1
And your views on Johnson? Should have resigned. So if starmer resigns he’s doing the right thing???
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Post by servernaside on May 11, 2022 18:27:16 GMT 1
Most people did get bored.....except you, apparently. And along pop the tory boot lickers! Not sure about boots, but erhaps you should have been licking up Starmer's late night curry....'before he went back to work "
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Post by shrewsace on May 11, 2022 18:48:07 GMT 1
'If' guilty. Starmer's press conference the other day was a deliberate ploy to put untenable pressure on Durham Police who have now been forced into a position of knowing that if they were to find him guilty that they would be opening themselves up to accusations that they are interfering in politics. I'd find it very difficult to conceive the idea that a career lawyer and knight of the realm would fall on his sword so willingly if he didn't think he had a watertight case / could somehow prejudice the outcome in his favour. He's also got the Dominic Cummings lockdown breach in the same police jurisdiction as an ace up his sleeve as well. To his supporters, a humble man of principle. To his detractors, a man guilty as sin at least on the charge of hypocrisy. I know which one I think. I'm not a massive fan of Starmer. But claiming he's a hypocrite if he doesn't offer to resign, then saying he's putting 'untenable' (intolerable?) pressure on the police when he does is peak Daily Mail 'logic'.
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2022 19:14:40 GMT 1
Oh no , it’s about boris and me now Still no mention of starmer 🤔 Pilch I’m sure you do understand the difference Boris accused of taking part and denied it. Police investigation found he had and was guilty..but won’t resign Starmer accused of taking part and denied it Police investigation under way but not complete . Starmer’s said he’ll resign if guilty Starmer said Boris should resign for the merer fact of being investigated by police ( back when it was announced he was being investigated ) what's the difference now ?
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