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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 28, 2021 15:32:39 GMT 1
Oh I’m sure he will. He will be no better than the rest of them when it comes to extra income and positions. I have no faith whatsoever in him. His appointment was too damn quick for me. At least he is one of the older guard who has held senior appointments previously. I have slightly more faith in him than all these third raters who have largely been appointed thanks to "Get Brexit Done" AND he did fall out with Cummings and resigned...no bad thing. Johnson, Gove and Patel have held other posts before, but it doesn’t mean that they are any good at any of them. |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 28, 2021 15:58:10 GMT 1
The man has no shame, and clearly regards the general public as idiots. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9732933/Boris-Johnson-says-SACKED-Matt-Hancock.htmlBoris Johnson was today accused of 'rewriting history' after he implied he sacked Matt Hancock over his affair despite initially refusing to fire the cheating Health Secretary when he was caught in a passionate embrace with an aide. Mr Johnson's claims ran contrary to No 10's insistence, hours after CCTV footage of the clinch emerged on Thursday night, that Mr Johnson considered the 'matter closed' and had 'full confidence' in Mr Hancock, who would keep his job because he had said sorry. But after 80 Tory MPs told No 10 he had to go after they were deluged with complaints, Mr Hancock gave a video statement on Saturday afternoon that he had quit after he breached social distancing guidance by kissing Gina Coladangelo against his office door. In response Mr Johnson said he was 'sorry to receive' Hancock's resignation. And an extraordinary U-turn was completed on a campaign visit to Batley ahead of Thursday's crucial by-election this afternoon, where the PM suggested he had fired the Health Secretary and replaced him with Sajid Javid, adding that the Government's 'moral compass' is intact. When asked whether Hancock's affair undermined the message about the country being 'all in it together', Mr Johnson said: 'That's right, and that's why when I saw the story on Friday we had a new Secretary of State for Health in on Saturday.' He added: 'I think that's about the right pace to proceed in a pandemic'. Adding to the confusion over Mr Hancock's exit, the Prime Minister's spokesman later said Boris Johnson did not sack Matt Hancock as health secretary, or urge him to quit over the scandal, despite Mr Johnson's implication he acted to remove him. He said: 'You can see that actions that the Prime Minister took. He felt it was the right decision to accept the former health secretary's resignation, and we moved to accept a new health and social care secretary that day.' When asked what had changed between Friday and Saturday he said: 'They discussed it further the next day and he accepted the resignation.' |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 17:00:13 GMT 1
At least he is one of the older guard who has held senior appointments previously. I have slightly more faith in him than all these third raters who have largely been appointed thanks to "Get Brexit Done" AND he did fall out with Cummings and resigned...no bad thing. Johnson, Gove and Patel have held other posts before, but it doesn’t mean that they are any good at any of them. Both Johnson and Patel have previously been sacked and Gove has a history of duplicitousness. Sajid Javid has none of these traits which makes him marginally preferable, plus he supported Remain unlike the previously mentioned n'er do wells. |
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 28, 2021 17:06:36 GMT 1
Johnson, Gove and Patel have held other posts before, but it doesn’t mean that they are any good at any of them. Both Johnson and Patel have previously been sacked and Gove has a history of duplicitousness. Sajid Javid has none of these traits which makes him marginally preferable, plus he supported Remain unlike the previously mentioned n'er do wells. A Tory with a modicum of sense then, but didn’t Hancock also back Remain? |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jun 28, 2021 17:13:27 GMT 1
So now it transpires that the camera in Hancock’s office was not a covert one !! So not only was the man in charger of our pandemic fight back an allegedly dishonest , sleazeball and philanderer but also a bloody idiot !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 17:24:37 GMT 1
Both Johnson and Patel have previously been sacked and Gove has a history of duplicitousness. Sajid Javid has none of these traits which makes him marginally preferable, plus he supported Remain unlike the previously mentioned n'er do wells. A Tory with a modicum of sense then, but didn’t Hancock also back Remain? This is very true but he had been in no end of scrapes before he became Health Secretary which obviously qualified him. Should have pointed out that Sajid Javid had previously held 2 of the big 4 posts so in essence Health Secretary is a promotion from the backbenches but overall a demotion. |
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 28, 2021 19:32:29 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2021 19:51:46 GMT 1
Johnson, Gove and Patel have held other posts before, but it doesn’t mean that they are any good at any of them. Both Johnson and Patel have previously been sacked and Gove has a history of duplicitousness. Sajid Javid has none of these traits which makes him marginally preferable, plus he supported Remain unlike the previously mentioned n'er do wells. Hmm, don't be too hasty. Javid has been working as a paid adviser to the US bank, J P Morgan, which says it sees 'the opportunities that lie ahead' for private healthcare. Having a former adviser appointed Health Secretary doesn't seem likely to get in the way of those 'opportunities'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 20:58:20 GMT 1
Both Johnson and Patel have previously been sacked and Gove has a history of duplicitousness. Sajid Javid has none of these traits which makes him marginally preferable, plus he supported Remain unlike the previously mentioned n'er do wells. Hmm, don't be too hasty. Javid has been working as a paid adviser to the US bank, J P Morgan, which says it sees 'the opportunities that lie ahead' for private healthcare. Having a former adviser appointed Health Secretary doesn't seem likely to get in the way of those 'opportunities'. You are correct but I think that is the general policy of most Tories (despite what they say). I was looking at the best worst situation. We just need someone to guide us through this pandemic and everyone has failed miserably so far (save for the vaccine which is a major bonus) |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 29, 2021 9:28:43 GMT 1
The prime minister’s official spokesman insisted that Hancock and Bethell had behaved properly and “only ever conducted government business through their departmental email addresses.”
But Cummings wrote on Twitter that the spokesman’s remarks were “nonsense”.
He continued: “PM’s PPS [principal private secretary] knows it. Cabinet Secretary knows it. I can prove it with screenshots from my phone. E.g PM/Hancock used WhatsApp to discuss procurement issues viz Tory donor network with no10 officials.” “WhatsApps between PM, [Hancock] and Tory donors which No 10 officials know exist cos they’re copied in to some. So dozens of No 10 officials know No 10 press office openly lying again."
Johnson refused to say yesterday whether he had ever used a personal email account to carry out government business.
Soon after Cummings’s intervention a third minister at the health department was dragged into the row after The Guardian reported that Helen Whately, the social care minister, had used a Gmail account.
The Times.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 29, 2021 12:13:41 GMT 1
Hmm, don't be too hasty. Javid has been working as a paid adviser to the US bank, J P Morgan, which says it sees 'the opportunities that lie ahead' for private healthcare. Having a former adviser appointed Health Secretary doesn't seem likely to get in the way of those 'opportunities'. You are correct but I think that is the general policy of most Tories (despite what they say). I was looking at the best worst situation. We just need someone to guide us through this pandemic and everyone has failed miserably so far (save for the vaccine which is a major bonus) Javid hasn't made a good start. He's come into the job cold and immediately painted himself into a corner with his ridiculous talk of lockdown ending on an arbitrary date (19 July) and that being irreversible. Of course we had this stupidity from Johnson before, but for a barely briefed new Health Secretary to be talking like that tells us that the time for "listening to the science" has now passed and it's time to do the populist thing. The inconsistency and loserous idiocy of this government never ends, regardless of who's doing which job. |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 2, 2021 17:22:00 GMT 1
They can’t until someone has the bottle to change the system. Whew ……….. another pig flies over.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 3, 2021 10:41:33 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 3, 2021 13:09:10 GMT 1
This has a certain ring of truth about it:
'The Sun has known for months about the Gove-Vine separation but chose not to publish it as the Cabinet Minister was a MoM (mate of Murdoch)'. Kelvin MacKenzie.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2021 18:02:55 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/06/watchdog-investigates-lord-bethell-pass-matt-hancock-aideThe health minister James Bethell is under formal investigation for sponsoring the parliamentary pass of Gina Coladangelo, the aide Matt Hancock had an affair with in breach of Covid rules. The House of Lords standards commissioner said they were looking into Lord Bethell’s “use of facilities” – understood to relate to the pass he secured for Coladangelo that gave her unfettered access to parliamentarians and the Palace of Westminster estate.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 7, 2021 12:59:53 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57749408Labour is proposing a change in the law that, if approved, could see Delyn MP Rob Roberts facing a recall petition and possible by-election. He was suspended from Parliament for six weeks in May for sexual misconduct but did not face a petition. This was because sexual harassment and bullying cases are dealt with by an independent panel under Commons rules. If approved, Labour's proposal to end a so-called legal loophole could apply retrospectively to Mr Roberts.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 8, 2021 14:22:32 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 8, 2021 15:03:26 GMT 1
Grant Shapps has been irritating me recently, so I looked up his Wiki Page. His charge sheet is quite lengthy! In 2012, Google blacklisted 19 of the Shapps's business websites for violating rules on copyright infringement related to the web scraping-based TrafficPayMaster software sold by them. Shapps's web marketing business's 20/20 Challenge publication also drew criticism. It cost $497 and promised customers earnings of $20,000 in 20 days. Upon purchase, the "toolkit" was revealed to be an ebook, advising the user to create their own toolkit and recruit 100 "Joint Venture Partners" to resell it for a share of the profits. Shapps's use of the names Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox attracted controversy in 2012. He denied having used a pseudonym after entering parliament and, in 2014, threatened legal action against a constituent who had stated on Facebook that he had. In February 2015 he told LBC Radio presenter Shelagh Fogarty, "Let me get this absolutely clear ... I don't have a second job and have never had a second job while being an MP. End of story." However, in March 2015, Shapps admitted to having had a second job whilst being an MP, and practising business under a pseudonym. In his admission, he stated that he had "over-firmly denied" having a second job. Under the name Michael Green, Shapps had offered customers a "get-rich-quick scheme" costing $497, and promised customers a "toolkit" that would earn them $20,000 in 20 days, provided they followed its instructions. On 28 November 2015, Shapps stood down as minister of state due to allegations of bullying within the Conservative Party. It has been claimed that Shapps, in his previous role as party co-chairman, had ignored repeated allegations of bullying involving Mark Clarke, the then party youth organiser. Baroness Warsi, Shapps's predecessor as co-chair of the Conservative Party, had written to Shapps to raise concerns about Clarke's conduct in January 2015. Shapps had appointed Clarke to head his party's RoadTrip 2015 campaign in January 2015. Clarke denies all allegations. The alleged bullying may have caused a young party member, Elliott Johnson, to commit suicide. In August 2018, the Financial Times reported that it had discovered a "secret pay deal" between Shapps and OpenBrix, a British blockchain property portal company. The story alleged that Shapps would have received a payment in cryptocurrency tokens with a future value of up to £700,000. Shapps resigned from OpenBrix and from his position as chairman of the all-party parliamentary group on blockchain which he had founded. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Shapps |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 17:24:16 GMT 1
At least he had the decency to resign unlike others from both sides. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 8, 2021 18:54:55 GMT 1
Yeah, had the decency to resign after they had failed to isolate and silence the victim. Very decent of him.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 21:02:52 GMT 1
Yeah, had the decency to resign after they had failed to isolate and silence the victim. Very decent of him. All a sorry tale. Was Bridgen politically motivated, I wonder? Bridgen was not so succesful in hounding his fellow Tory MP Dan Poulter. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 8, 2021 21:20:26 GMT 1
Yeah, had the decency to resign after they had failed to isolate and silence the victim. Very decent of him. Was Bridgen politically motivated, I wonder? Yes, I'm sure you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 22:19:40 GMT 1
Was Bridgen politically motivated, I wonder? Yes, I'm sure you do. I wonder if your post concerning Bridgen and attempted cover up was politically motivated. You should be grateful that Hill had the good grace to resign which opened the door for another of Johnson's Brexit Babes. Correct me If I am wrong, but has Hill been found guilty in a Court of Law..no. Just like the Ex Tory MP Roberts who was equally found guilty by committee and not a Court of Law but refused to resign and is free to resume his seat in the House. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 9, 2021 7:04:25 GMT 1
I wonder if your post concerning Bridgen and attempted cover up was politically motivated. You should be grateful that Hill had the good grace to resign which opened the door for another of Johnson's Brexit Babes. Correct me If I am wrong, but has Hill been found guilty in a Court of Law..no. Just like the Ex Tory MP Roberts who was equally found guilty by committee and not a Court of Law but refused to resign and is free to resume his seat in the House. That you talk about " decency" and "good grace" after the guy was found guilty of sexual assault, harassment and then victimization after she had refused his advances.  And Brexit Babes?  Anyhow, by all means you focus and question Bridgen motivation. Meanwhile, I think the majority of us will be focusing on the actions of Hill and Labour and wondering whether if Labour hadn't had treated the victim as bad as they did, if they had not tried to isolate and silence her, perhaps she wouldn't have need to confine in a Conservative MP in the first place. As for Hill and a court of law, we wait and see. From what is reported its suggested the victim will now contact the police about his behavior. So this may yet happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 8:11:58 GMT 1
I wonder if your post concerning Bridgen and attempted cover up was politically motivated. You should be grateful that Hill had the good grace to resign which opened the door for another of Johnson's Brexit Babes. Correct me If I am wrong, but has Hill been found guilty in a Court of Law..no. Just like the Ex Tory MP Roberts who was equally found guilty by committee and not a Court of Law but refused to resign and is free to resume his seat in the House. That you talk about " decency" and "good grace" after the guy was found guilty of sexual assault, harassment and then victimization after she had refused his advances. And Brexit Babes? Anyhow, by all means you focus and question Bridgen motivation. Meanwhile, I think the majority of us will be focusing on the actions of Hill and Labour and wondering whether if Labour hadn't had treated the victim as bad as they did, if they had not tried to isolate and silence her, perhaps she wouldn't have need to confine in a Conservative MP in the first place. As for Hill and a court of law, we wait and see. From what is reported its suggested the victim will now contact the police about his behavior. So this may yet happen. I note you have not commented on Roberts and decency. I wonder why? "Roberts was referred to Parliament's Complaints and Standards Committee in June over allegations of misconduct that resulted in one of the interns being transferred to a different department. In April 2021 the Conservative Party announced that Roberts had been "strongly rebuked", but would not lose the whip" |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 9, 2021 8:17:09 GMT 1
That you talk about " decency" and "good grace" after the guy was found guilty of sexual assault, harassment and then victimization after she had refused his advances. And Brexit Babes? Anyhow, by all means you focus and question Bridgen motivation. Meanwhile, I think the majority of us will be focusing on the actions of Hill and Labour and wondering whether if Labour hadn't had treated the victim as bad as they did, if they had not tried to isolate and silence her, perhaps she wouldn't have need to confine in a Conservative MP in the first place. As for Hill and a court of law, we wait and see. From what is reported its suggested the victim will now contact the police about his behavior. So this may yet happen. I wonder why? Of course you do. But then why would I. Decency isn't something I would associate with him. Unlike you and Hill of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 8:58:00 GMT 1
Of course you do. But then why would I. Decency isn't something I would associate with him. Unlike you and Hill of course. Still no comment on Roberts !!! I wonder why? Just inviting you to compare and contrast the reactions of both Hill and Roberts. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 9, 2021 9:07:52 GMT 1
Of course you do. But then why would I. Decency isn't something I would associate with him. Unlike you and Hill of course. Still no comment on Roberts !!! I wonder why? Just inviting you to compare and contrast the reactions of both Hill and Roberts. I think the good people of Delyn should be given the opportunity to decide whether they would still wish to see Roberts as their MP. He should resign and a by-election should be held. Another "sorry tale". |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 9, 2021 9:54:48 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57734388An MP suspended for sexual harassment has been told to stay away from the House of Commons by the Conservative Party. Delyn MP Rob Roberts received a six-week suspension after an independent panel found he sexually harassed a member of his staff. He can return to Parliament on Thursday, but BBC Wales has been told Tory party figures advised him not to.
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