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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 10:28:11 GMT 1
My daughter had to cancel her second dose due to going into the office and there was a positive case there - back on for next Monday after a week of boring isolation when she could still work and do conference calls from home. Perhaps firms should not be too quick to get people back in the office unless they really need to be there? We have had a lot of conversations about going back to the office and the last few words are key, do you really need to be there? What is the justification being in the office? For the timebeing I think that is fine but longer term I suspect some employers will expect people to come back in and there might be some diffcult conversations, I know a few peoeple who say they don't want to go back, I think they might be in for a shock. As an aside, there was something that actually made me laugh last week which probably shows the surreal situation we are in at the moment. A team in my company wanted to come into the office for a meeting which would have been the first face to face meeting since March last year, one person refused to come into the office and it was accepted as people assumed she was nervous/cautious. It actually turned out that she was going on holiday (abroad) a few days later and didn't want to risk coming into contact with people which might impact her holiday, there is some logic there but it shows how people are playing the system but perhaps being forced to because of the rules in place. On the subject of jabs though, a colleague was telling of a theory from a doctor that he is friends with (in India), the theory being people who are suffering from more severe reactions from the jabs are are ones who have not had covid, whereas those who have little of zero reaction are ones who have had it. No idea on whether it's true but I can understand the theory.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 12, 2021 11:17:33 GMT 1
On the reaction theory, I have not had covid and got no reaction from the jabs. In fact I have never had a reaction to any jab and I’ve had a lot in my time having worked in tropical countries.
Re working from home, all my 3 children are currently doing so and are very keen to get back to the office. Partly for reasons of sociability and partly because they think that the sort of informal interactions you get face to face help stimulate ideas and creativity.
My son started a new job the day of the first lockdown and has never been to his place of work, apart from when he was interviewed.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 12, 2021 11:54:04 GMT 1
I was working from home 3 days a week, as part of my yearly progress review that went 4 days a week, then Covid made it 5 days.
I could not thing of a single thing worse than ever going back into an office.
- Commuting - Costly, bad for environment, takes my time up.
- Getting ill - Nailed on I'll catch something in the office every year
- Lighting & Aircon - Sat under fake lighting all day with an unserviced Aircon machine circulating germs about
- Annoyance - Get pestered relentlessly and get way less work done.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 12, 2021 11:58:56 GMT 1
Can understand someone going abroad on holiday keeping a low profile in the days before going - if any of those tests you have to do return a positive you can end up paying for two weeks hotel quarantine - probably more than the holdiday cost.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 12, 2021 12:09:50 GMT 1
I was working from home 3 days a week, as part of my yearly progress review that went 4 days a week, then Covid made it 5 days. I could not thing of a single thing worse than ever going back into an office. - Commuting - Costly, bad for environment, takes my time up. - Getting ill - Nailed on I'll catch something in the office every year - Lighting & Aircon - Sat under fake lighting all day with an unserviced Aircon machine circulating germs about - Annoyance - Get pestered relentlessly and get way less work done. And for the company:
No heating, lighting or office rental to pay for.
No water cooler wasted time.
No extended lunch breaks shopping or down the pub.
Less stessed workers.
Less absence from catching things in the office.
Provided they can supervise your output - and good management should be able to do that, then it's a win-win.
When I first started the line was drawn on the attendance book and you were late if you signed in after that: Who cares? What does it matter? It's what you do that counts. At that time it was "fashionable" for us young whizz kids to get there late and the old farts to be in much earlier drinking coffee, making toast and, well, let's just say, going to the toilet.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 12, 2021 12:18:15 GMT 1
this will soon be changing to have you had your booster jab for all fans over 50. the loger this pandemic the mor sceptical im about a lot of the data put out but if you look at the data at face value the booster will put you back up to the levels of the protection two jabs had before the indian/delta mutation arrived.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 12, 2021 12:25:58 GMT 1
this will soon be changing to have you had your booster jab for all fans over 50. the loger this pandemic the mor sceptical im about a lot of the data put out but if you look at the data at face value the booster will put you back up to the levels of the protection two jabs had before the indian/delta mutation arrived. Now if I am offered a booster jab it will take some thinking about. Like the AZ boss, I think booster jabs would be better utilised giving jabs in poorer countries - the pandemic ain't over until all countries have reduced the effect of Covid and limited the possibility of a new variant.
I will certainly not be taking up any offer of a booster in one arm and flu vaccine in the other at the same time - that sounds risky.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 12, 2021 16:18:04 GMT 1
this will soon be changing to have you had your booster jab for all fans over 50. the loger this pandemic the mor sceptical im about a lot of the data put out but if you look at the data at face value the booster will put you back up to the levels of the protection two jabs had before the indian/delta mutation arrived. Now if I am offered a booster jab it will take some thinking about. Like the AZ boss, I think booster jabs would be better utilised giving jabs in poorer countries - the pandemic ain't over until all countries have reduced the effect of Covid and limited the possibility of a new variant.
I will certainly not be taking up any offer of a booster in one arm and flu vaccine in the other at the same time - that sounds risky.
iv already booked my flue jab in a chemist to avoid the propsed flue jab in one arm and booster in the other. i think the uk has started sending vaccines to poorer countrys
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 12, 2021 16:24:59 GMT 1
Tomorrow is two weeks since our second jab and when we are finally considered vaccinated. a while but we got there in the end. So from tomorrow we can show our vaccination state when going to the football for example, instead of having to have a negative test result. For the time being anyway.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 12, 2021 18:07:58 GMT 1
this will soon be changing to have you had your booster jab for all fans over 50. the loger this pandemic the mor sceptical im about a lot of the data put out but if you look at the data at face value the booster will put you back up to the levels of the protection two jabs had before the indian/delta mutation arrived. Now if I am offered a booster jab it will take some thinking about. Like the AZ boss, I think booster jabs would be better utilised giving jabs in poorer countries - the pandemic ain't over until all countries have reduced the effect of Covid and limited the possibility of a new variant.
I will certainly not be taking up any offer of a booster in one arm and flu vaccine in the other at the same time - that sounds risky.
Genuinely interested why you think it’s risky. Not wanting to start fresh arguments!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 12, 2021 18:24:40 GMT 1
Tomorrow is two weeks since our second jab and when we are finally considered vaccinated. a while but we got there in the end. So from tomorrow we can show our vaccination state when going to the football for example, instead of having to have a negative test result. For the time being anyway. good news
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 12, 2021 18:51:35 GMT 1
Now if I am offered a booster jab it will take some thinking about. Like the AZ boss, I think booster jabs would be better utilised giving jabs in poorer countries - the pandemic ain't over until all countries have reduced the effect of Covid and limited the possibility of a new variant.
I will certainly not be taking up any offer of a booster in one arm and flu vaccine in the other at the same time - that sounds risky.
Genuinely interested why you think it’s risky. Not wanting to start fresh arguments! Vaccination can cause side effects, double vaccination surely increases the risk of side effects?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 13, 2021 7:15:25 GMT 1
Could say that vaccination protects so double vaccination provides more protection?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 13, 2021 9:23:59 GMT 1
Could say that vaccination protects so double vaccination provides more protection? Well yes, but if I am to have both the flu and a Covid booster I would want them at separate appointments a few days away from each other, as Zen has outlined a few posts back.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 13, 2021 9:30:06 GMT 1
Do wonder quite how many would go with another (3rd) jab tbh. Think the take up would decrease the more times you insist it will benefit you.
Maybe when they can do an annual flu and Covid jab in the autumn for the elderly it will become the norm. That's what they need to aim for.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 13, 2021 9:37:14 GMT 1
Could say that vaccination protects so double vaccination provides more protection? Well yes, but if I am to have both the flu and a Covid booster I would want them at separate appointments a few days away from each other, as Zen has outlined a few posts back. We have been part of the ONS survey for the past twelve months and when it was done last week the man said the thinking at the moment is to do them at least one week apart so that, if there are side effects, they and we will know which one has caused the problem.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 13, 2021 9:38:16 GMT 1
I think anyone getting a flu jab should have a booster, otherwise leave the double vaccinated rest of us to it.
As for the unvaccinated, treat them as they are, morons. (Unless medically advised against vaccination)
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 13, 2021 9:43:19 GMT 1
I think anyone getting a flu jab should have a booster, otherwise leave the double vaccinated rest of us to it. As for the unvaccinated, treat them as they are, morons. (Unless medically advised against vaccination) I agree. And think that proves my point about fewer people would take up another and another jab. Need to get back to normal - in the case of jabs an annual autumn one to cover flu and Covid for those who really could do with it. The younger and fitter just crack on as normal.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 13, 2021 11:48:00 GMT 1
Well yes, but if I am to have both the flu and a Covid booster I would want them at separate appointments a few days away from each other, as Zen has outlined a few posts back. We have been part of the ONS survey for the past twelve months and when it was done last week the man said the thinking at the moment is to do them at least one week apart so that, if there are side effects, they and we will know which one has caused the problem. "the thinking at the moment is to do them at least one week apart so that, if there are side effects, they and we will know which one has caused the problem." which seems sensible to me equally with such large numbers getting a flue jab and covid jab from a logistiic viewpoint you i can why they would like to have them together
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 13, 2021 11:50:55 GMT 1
Research by Nottingham University has shown that a booster increases the immunological response. They also think it gives added protection against new variants.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 13, 2021 12:26:18 GMT 1
Research by Nottingham University has shown that a booster increases the immunological response. They also think it gives added protection against new variants. They may do and it might well be the case, but I think take up will go down with each booster they tell you will help. People will become blade about being re vaccinated.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 13, 2021 12:28:11 GMT 1
Research by Nottingham University has shown that a booster increases the immunological response. They also think it gives added protection against new variants. Now all that needs to be decided is if giving our booster doses as first doses to a poorer country does more good.
If a new variant of concern emerged that might decide things in favour of a booster.
If not, how many of the double jabbed are going to feel the need to up their protection from, say 90%, to perhaps 95%?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2021 17:04:03 GMT 1
Just booked my 17 year old daughter in for her first jab. She has been working in a busy restaurant for the past year as well as going to college. She been tested numerous times for college and unless being in a mood with your dad is a symptom I think she has been lucky not get it.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 13, 2021 17:19:13 GMT 1
Just booked my 17 year old daughter in for her first jab. She has been working in a busy restaurant for the past year as well as going to college. She been tested numerous times for college and unless being in a mood with your dad is a symptom I think she has been lucky not get it. my eldest daughter managed to get it twice, late 20s, she was ill but not too bad
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