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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 11, 2021 21:30:19 GMT 1
I don't doubt staying at United has been good for him in a number of ways, least of all financially. But all the games he's played in have been the least important ones and it can't be helping his chances for wanting to start for England at the euro's, looks like Southgate will pick a keeper thats playing week in week out Probably true, but I don't think even he could have expected to oust De Gea from United's team and get ahead of both Pickford (who was excellent in the derby & is better than some will allow) & Pope for England, all in one season. I might have added especially not when he gets caught in possession to give away a goal at Sheff Utd on one of his first team outings! Pickford still doesn’t convince me - I always think there is a mistake waiting to happen.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 11, 2021 21:35:38 GMT 1
I cant remember England ever having a world class keeper
obviously I cant remember gordon banks, but I can remember as far back as shilton who often failed at the crucial points
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 11, 2021 21:58:42 GMT 1
Going back to the youth system, didnt paul Evan's come through it, was at oswestry boys club first, then signed for shrewsbury, and developed through the youth team/s
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Post by venceremos on Mar 11, 2021 22:27:22 GMT 1
Probably true, but I don't think even he could have expected to oust De Gea from United's team and get ahead of both Pickford (who was excellent in the derby & is better than some will allow) & Pope for England, all in one season. I might have added especially not when he gets caught in possession to give away a goal at Sheff Utd on one of his first team outings! Pickford still doesn’t convince me - I always think there is a mistake waiting to happen. I can't think of a single keeper, English or otherwise, who doesn't make me think that.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 11, 2021 22:32:41 GMT 1
I didn't think Milan's goal was soft. It was a powerful, well directed header and it wasn't so much that Henderson didn't have a strong enough hand as that he just couldn't quite get to it in time.
What a clever goal from Diallo though. Looks quite a prospect if he can do that in European competition at 18.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Mar 11, 2021 23:10:22 GMT 1
Banks of England......no contest
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Post by Pilch on Mar 11, 2021 23:10:48 GMT 1
I didn't think Milan's goal was soft. It was a powerful, well directed header and it wasn't so much that Henderson didn't have a strong enough hand as that he just couldn't quite get to it in time. What a clever goal from Diallo though. Looks quite a prospect if he can do that in European competition at 18. I didnt watch the game and only saw a clip of the Milan goal via a you tuber showing a clip from twitter looked to me like he was trying to make it look spectacular instead of doing the simple thing, just deano getting too big for big boots as usual
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Post by waltonshrew on Mar 11, 2021 23:15:14 GMT 1
Gordon Banks was absolutely world class & by far the best keeper England have ever had. Won FIFA goalkeeper of the year 6 times
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 12, 2021 8:37:13 GMT 1
Man Utd fans already questioning him. Probably the same ones that have been demanding De Gea’s head on a spike for the last three years. If a club legend gets no sympathy a rookie certainly isn’t going to.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 12, 2021 11:16:42 GMT 1
Man Utd fans already questioning him. Probably the same ones that have been demanding De Gea’s head on a spike for the last three years. If a club legend gets no sympathy a rookie certainly isn’t going to. Spanish fans have been critical of de gea for years
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 12, 2021 11:49:47 GMT 1
He's a good keeper and lots of good traits but we know as much as anyone he's always got a clanger in him.
Criticisms always likely when he steps up for Utd but any of their fans expecting him to be at De Geas level obviously haven't watched much of him over the last few years. Plenty of errors or near misses for Sheff Utd but that wouldn't have come under the same scrutiny as he now will have.
And also maybe the fans don't remember De Gea's start. It him a good 2/3 years to establish himself.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 12, 2021 12:12:56 GMT 1
Pickford still doesn’t convince me - I always think there is a mistake waiting to happen. I can't think of a single keeper, English or otherwise, who doesn't make me think that. Obviously true, we all make mistakes no matter what our career paths, but whenever I see Pickford play, I get a mental picture of Calamity James.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Mar 12, 2021 14:12:00 GMT 1
I would have said the Milan goal was more a case of disappointed not to make the save than a clanger. Of all the keepers at the moment for England I would go for Pope - very consistent and that bit physically more imposing than Deano. Bit surprised some United fans are going after Deano as DeGea made far more big mistakes last season though admittedly has been better so far this season. Looking back at England keepers I saw Banks play live many times and never saw him make a mistake - his positioning, reading of the game and safe handling made him incomparable. Of the rest I would say Ray Clemence was the best - I always preferred him to Shilton though of course Shilton was very good.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 12, 2021 14:26:55 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 12, 2021 16:29:06 GMT 1
Give utd burgoyne, and we can have hendo back👍👍😉😉
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 12, 2021 17:08:46 GMT 1
Banks of England......no contest All keepers make bad mistakes, this one of GBs was voted 10 worst GK gaffs despite being disallowed universally agreed wrongly. Dopey Banks or magical Best?
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Post by servernaside on Mar 12, 2021 17:26:16 GMT 1
They say that only madmen ever become goalkeepers and now we know why.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 12, 2021 19:18:21 GMT 1
Banks of England......no contest All keepers make bad mistakes, this one of GBs was voted 10 worst GK gaffs despite being disallowed universally agreed wrongly. Dopey Banks or magical Best? Not sure what the rules were on that day but that’s long been a foul as far as I know , and quite often a yellow card
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Post by venceremos on Mar 12, 2021 19:32:30 GMT 1
It was disallowed for ungentlemanly conduct, apparently. It might be illegal now but the rules were different then.
As I recall, the ball was considered to be in play as soon as it left the keeper's hand. It was a perfectly good goal then and should have stood. I'd go further and say it should be allowed today - keepers in possession have it too easy.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 12, 2021 20:53:07 GMT 1
It was disallowed for ungentlemanly conduct, apparently. It might be illegal now but the rules were different then. As I recall, the ball was considered to be in play as soon as it left the keeper's hand. It was a perfectly good goal then and should have stood. I'd go further and say it should be allowed today - keepers in possession have it too easy. its potentially very dangerous
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Post by MetaShrew on May 11, 2021 17:03:18 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 11, 2021 17:47:29 GMT 1
Anyway, whatever the Hart deal. I still come back to, as we have good people back office to arrange a deal - We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we get ten grand every time they play. The academy is important to us. But are we producing players that are good enough? I get frustrated when young players break through to the 1st team then don’t get much of a chance and are sent out on loan. ... have a successful loan spell and come back to sit on the bench.....Sears, Barnett and Roland spring to mind as the latest 3 yet out managers choose experience perhaps understandably. Who was our last home grown player? We seem to have more success brining young players in and improving them Be interested to know how we compare with other similar clubs with an academy re success rate in getting players to be regular 1st team players. Think much of the problem is that the big clubs sign up any youngster these days with any real potential. 20 years ago they signed up far less than they do today. So the youngsters that we would likely get a chance with back then sit in the top teams under 18s squad, and we get a few of them on a season long loan instead of them being our own youngsters. And therefore our own youngsters are from further down the pecking order than they were 20 years ago, and therefore less likely to be up to the standard required. I think Sam had the right idea in developing a B squad to pick up the cast off youngsters from the top teams. But ultimately that can only be developed as long as your first team is doing the business and keeping you in a job.
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Post by Pilch on May 11, 2021 18:05:30 GMT 1
I see united are playing their 2nd XI in tonights must lose game
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 13, 2021 21:21:30 GMT 1
He won’t have enjoyed that one...
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2021 21:29:49 GMT 1
He won’t have enjoyed that one... doesnt really matter, dead rubber and all that
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 13, 2021 21:33:57 GMT 1
He won’t have enjoyed that one... doesnt really matter, dead rubber and all that I suspect it might’ve mattered to the watching Gareth Southgate.
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 13, 2021 22:32:12 GMT 1
He won’t have enjoyed that one... doesnt really matter, dead rubber and all that You wouldn’t have said that if result went other way. Not one of Deano’s best games.
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2021 22:50:56 GMT 1
doesnt really matter, dead rubber and all that You wouldn’t have said that if result went other way. Not one of Deano’s best games. what does it matter to me ? Bizarre or what Pm me your address , I’ll post you a packet of sparklers
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Post by Mortgagehound on May 14, 2021 6:53:30 GMT 1
Mr Henderson will want to forget his performance in last nights game.
Needs to stop trying to copy De Geas style of keeping
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Post by cabanas2017 on May 14, 2021 7:33:54 GMT 1
In the meantime After a poor start to the season Jordon Pickford’s form has been outstanding and he is easily England number one.
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