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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 28, 2021 20:02:39 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9308897/Manchester-United-pay-Carlisle-10-000-time-Dean-Henderson-plays-Red-Devils.html" dean Henderson joined Manchester United from Carlisle when he was 14 It's reported that the League Two outfit earn £10,000 each time he plays They didn't earn anything however when Henderson was out on loan spells United's No 2 goalkeeper has made 13 appearances for the Red Devils ,Carlisle did not receive any funds for appearances he made while he was away on loan." "However, the goalkeeper is becoming increasingly frustrated at having to play second-fiddle to the veteran Spaniard. The 23-year-old has been linked with a move away from the club in the summer in his search for regular football. However his manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has said recently that it is becoming 'increasingly harder' to leave him out. He said: 'It's about your performances and what you give to the team. It was a conscious decision to bring Dean back to have real competition in and Dean has made it harder and harder for me to leave him out because whenever he plays he does really well. 'It's not about who's got the most trophies, it is about what you give to the team here and now, if you are right-back, left-back, left wing, right wing.'"
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2021 20:12:41 GMT 1
we could do with him back in the towns side, i'd start him at right back ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 28, 2021 20:28:46 GMT 1
We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we got ten grand every time they play.
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Post by Exkeeper on Feb 28, 2021 23:31:11 GMT 1
We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we got ten grand every time they play. I was told that part of the Hart to City deal, was £400k once he had played 40 League games. So, that’s £10k per game.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 28, 2021 23:37:20 GMT 1
We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we got ten grand every time they play. I was told that part of the Hart to City deal, was £400k once he had played 40 League games. So, that’s £10k per game. But is that the cut off? So 39 games would have been no payment, 80 games would still have been 400K?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2021 23:43:23 GMT 1
We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we got ten grand every time they play. I was told that part of the Hart to City deal, was £400k once he had played 40 League games. So, that’s £10k per game. im sure it was 5K a game whatever the deal was taking us up to 500k, and then a decent chunk 500k ? again when he started for england, city robbed us really but you cant blame them it was before they were rich cant remember to be honest
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2021 9:27:47 GMT 1
Anyway, whatever the Hart deal. I still come back to, as we have good people back office to arrange a deal - We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we get ten grand every time they play.
The academy is important to us.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 9:45:28 GMT 1
Anyway, whatever the Hart deal. I still come back to, as we have good people back office to arrange a deal - We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we get ten grand every time they play. The academy is important to us. But are we producing players that are good enough? I get frustrated when young players break through to the 1st team then don’t get much of a chance and are sent out on loan. ... have a successful loan spell and come back to sit on the bench.....Sears, Barnett and Roland spring to mind as the latest 3 yet out managers choose experience perhaps understandably. Who was our last home grown player? We seem to have more success brining young players in and improving them Be interested to know how we compare with other similar clubs with an academy re success rate in getting players to be regular 1st team players.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 1, 2021 10:31:53 GMT 1
Anyway, whatever the Hart deal. I still come back to, as we have good people back office to arrange a deal - We could do with some of our home grown players at clubs where we get ten grand every time they play. The academy is important to us. But are we producing players that are good enough? I get frustrated when young players break through to the 1st team then don’t get much of a chance and are sent out on loan. ... have a successful loan spell and come back to sit on the bench.....Sears, Barnett and Roland spring to mind as the latest 3 yet out managers choose experience perhaps understandably. Who was our last home grown player? We seem to have more success brining young players in and improving them Be interested to know how we compare with other similar clubs with an academy re success rate in getting players to be regular 1st team players. historically this is the way crewe have done it , a few years ago they played one game and 10 out of the 11 playing that day were from there academy
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 1, 2021 10:59:23 GMT 1
Haven't had any through youth system to play consistently for ages have we?
Had a crop a while back - Woods, Goldson, Taylor, Bradshaw etc
But can't think of much at all since then. Some have had a few games to never progress and moved on, usually a lot lower down. Josh Ginnelly isn't doing too badly though. And what happened to John McAtee, he was rumoured all over the place last year?
Shame to see Sears and Barnett not being used. Thought they might have been the next ones. But both now in their early twenties and can't see being offered new deals at this point
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 1, 2021 11:12:07 GMT 1
I was told that part of the Hart to City deal, was £400k once he had played 40 League games. So, that’s £10k per game. But is that the cut off? So 39 games would have been no payment, 80 games would still have been 400K? Would depend on what the deal was. Both could be options. Dunno what it was for Hart, and feel that there was lots of different things chucked out at the time
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 11:57:21 GMT 1
Haven't had any through youth system to play consistently for ages have we? Had a crop a while back - Woods, Goldson, Taylor, Bradshaw etc But can't think of much at all since then. Some have had a few games to never progress and moved on, usually a lot lower down. Josh Ginnelly isn't doing too badly though. And what happened to John McAtee, he was rumoured all over the place last year? Shame to see Sears and Barnett not being used. Thought they might have been the next ones. But both now in their early twenties and can't see being offered new deals at this point It may be that they’re not good enough but you have to be given a chance to prove yourself and since Hurst left ge managers always been under too much pressure to risk inexperience. Out of the three players you mention only one came through our youth scheme with Woods, Taylor and Bradshaw joining from other clubs academies at 16/17.... Maybe it’s the recruitments / regime at the academy ? When did a local lad last play for Salop? Kevin Seabury or Pete Wilding maybe Jamie Tolley although from Ludlow.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Mar 1, 2021 12:21:23 GMT 1
It was obvious to everyone that if he stayed at United he wasn't going to be first choice for a couple of seasons, if he wants to waste away years of his career then fair enough he'll probably eventually get the number 1 shirt but think the best thing for him to do if he wants to play is leave.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 1, 2021 12:32:26 GMT 1
Trouble is that De Gea still has 2 years to run on a contract worth £350k a week, so they'd have to pay most of his wages even if he did sign for another Club.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2021 12:33:58 GMT 1
isnt our academy still furloughed ?
we might produce a decent esportsplayer lol
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2021 12:34:36 GMT 1
Trouble is that De Gea still has 2 years to run on a contract worth £350k a week, so they'd have to pay most of his wages even if he did sign for another Club. not to mention he was uniteds best player yesterday
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Post by northwestman on Mar 1, 2021 12:40:20 GMT 1
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Post by supermac11 on Mar 1, 2021 12:44:40 GMT 1
Maybe it’s the recruitments / regime at the academy ? When did a local lad last play for Salop? Kevin Seabury or Pete Wilding maybe Jamie Tolley although from Ludlow. Isn't there some bloke called Edwards still hanging around?
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 12:56:08 GMT 1
Maybe it’s the recruitments / regime at the academy ? When did a local lad last play for Salop? Kevin Seabury or Pete Wilding maybe Jamie Tolley although from Ludlow. Isn't there some bloke called Edwards still hanging around? Your right 👍 but he joined 18 years ago I’m trying to think of more recent ones
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 1, 2021 13:08:36 GMT 1
Steve Leslie
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2021 13:13:04 GMT 1
I’ll give you that although he’s Scottish 👍
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Post by supermac11 on Mar 1, 2021 14:06:07 GMT 1
Burgoyne's from Craven Arms although didn't come through the Academy
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 1, 2021 14:24:36 GMT 1
Fair few have been local haven't they. just not lasted too long. Sears and Barnett both are local aren't they? And Dom Smith was. He played a good handful of games. But properly embedded in first team probably last ones are Hart and Edwards really.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 1, 2021 14:25:35 GMT 1
Ooh yes forgot about him. He probably is last one then
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2021 14:29:04 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9308897/Manchester-United-pay-Carlisle-10-000-time-Dean-Henderson-plays-Red-Devils.html" dean Henderson joined Manchester United from Carlisle when he was 14 It's reported that the League Two outfit earn £10,000 each time he plays They didn't earn anything however when Henderson was out on loan spells United's No 2 goalkeeper has made 13 appearances for the Red Devils ,Carlisle did not receive any funds for appearances he made while he was away on loan." "However, the goalkeeper is becoming increasingly frustrated at having to play second-fiddle to the veteran Spaniard. The 23-year-old has been linked with a move away from the club in the summer in his search for regular football. However his manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer has said recently that it is becoming 'increasingly harder' to leave him out. He said: 'It's about your performances and what you give to the team. It was a conscious decision to bring Dean back to have real competition in and Dean has made it harder and harder for me to leave him out because whenever he plays he does really well. 'It's not about who's got the most trophies, it is about what you give to the team here and now, if you are right-back, left-back, left wing, right wing.'" "..... the veteran Spaniard". David de Gea is 30.
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Post by scooter on Mar 1, 2021 14:31:20 GMT 1
Sears and Barnett are both local, certainly from within Shropshire if not Shrewsbury, but it doesn’t seem they are trusted for first team action
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2021 14:38:05 GMT 1
It was obvious to everyone that if he stayed at United he wasn't going to be first choice for a couple of seasons, if he wants to waste away years of his career then fair enough he'll probably eventually get the number 1 shirt but think the best thing for him to do if he wants to play is leave. His impatience could damage his career. He's played 13 games for United so far this season, including 3 European games. Not bad for a 23 year old goalkeeper. How many clubs would guarantee him a starting place, regular European football and the high profile and salary that goes with that? Perhaps if Lloris leaves Spurs for PSG, but would they rely on Henderson alone as their number one? Maybe not. A move abroad might work for him and the national team could certainly benefit from more English players playing in European leagues. He certainly backs his own ability, which is fair enough, but I can understand why the rumours about United going after Donnarumma (who's a couple of years younger than Henderson) have resurfaced.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Mar 1, 2021 17:28:15 GMT 1
It was obvious to everyone that if he stayed at United he wasn't going to be first choice for a couple of seasons, if he wants to waste away years of his career then fair enough he'll probably eventually get the number 1 shirt but think the best thing for him to do if he wants to play is leave. His impatience could damage his career. He's played 13 games for United so far this season, including 3 European games. Not bad for a 23 year old goalkeeper. How many clubs would guarantee him a starting place, regular European football and the high profile and salary that goes with that? Perhaps if Lloris leaves Spurs for PSG, but would they rely on Henderson alone as their number one? Maybe not. A move abroad might work for him and the national team could certainly benefit from more English players playing in European leagues. He certainly backs his own ability, which is fair enough, but I can understand why the rumours about United going after Donnarumma (who's a couple of years younger than Henderson) have resurfaced. I don't doubt staying at United has been good for him in a number of ways, least of all financially. But all the games he's played in have been the least important ones and it can't be helping his chances for wanting to start for England at the euro's, looks like Southgate will pick a keeper thats playing week in week out
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Post by venceremos on Mar 1, 2021 18:51:01 GMT 1
His impatience could damage his career. He's played 13 games for United so far this season, including 3 European games. Not bad for a 23 year old goalkeeper. How many clubs would guarantee him a starting place, regular European football and the high profile and salary that goes with that? Perhaps if Lloris leaves Spurs for PSG, but would they rely on Henderson alone as their number one? Maybe not. A move abroad might work for him and the national team could certainly benefit from more English players playing in European leagues. He certainly backs his own ability, which is fair enough, but I can understand why the rumours about United going after Donnarumma (who's a couple of years younger than Henderson) have resurfaced. I don't doubt staying at United has been good for him in a number of ways, least of all financially. But all the games he's played in have been the least important ones and it can't be helping his chances for wanting to start for England at the euro's, looks like Southgate will pick a keeper thats playing week in week out Probably true, but I don't think even he could have expected to oust De Gea from United's team and get ahead of both Pickford (who was excellent in the derby & is better than some will allow) & Pope for England, all in one season. I might have added especially not when he gets caught in possession to give away a goal at Sheff Utd on one of his first team outings!
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Post by Pilch on Mar 11, 2021 20:51:17 GMT 1
just saw Milans goal, all deanos good work just undone in a second
very soft goal
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