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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2021 9:54:15 GMT 1
as the comittee state "The committee found this is a potential breach of the ministerial code but added that Mr Hamilton’s report was the “most appropriate place” to address the question of whether Ms Sturgeon had breached the ministerial code." as that has cleard her she will not resign. however the comittee findings is not flatering and does not put her in a good light but i doubt she will have any sleepless nights about it. as a voter would you wont her as the leader of your country no matter how able and astute she may be, this whole case does not reflect well on the SNP or the scottish parliment www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2021/03/23/sturgeon-misled-holyrood-committee-over-salmond-investigation-report-finds/"Nicola Sturgeon misled a Scottish Parliament committee, an investigation into the Scottish Government’s unlawful handling of harassment allegations against Alex Salmond has concluded. The findings are separate from those of James Hamilton, who reported on Monday that there had been no breach of the ministerial code by the First Minister over her role in the saga. The Committee on the Scottish Government Handling of Harassment Complaints found a “fundamental contradiction” in her evidence on whether she agreed to intervene in a Scottish Government investigation into complaints by two woman against the former first minister. It said that, in a meeting at her Glasgow home on April 2 2018, Ms Sturgeon “did in fact leave Mr Salmond with the impression that she would, if necessary, intervene”. "The report continued: “Her written evidence is therefore an inaccurate account of what happened, and she has misled the committee on this matter.” The committee found this is a potential breach of the ministerial code but added that Mr Hamilton’s report was the “most appropriate place” to address the question of whether Ms Sturgeon had breached the ministerial code. The four SNP committee members did not agree with the finding that she misled the committee. The report states the committee “find it hard to believe” Ms Sturgeon had “no knowledge of any concerns about inappropriate behaviour on the part of Mr Salmond prior to November 2017”. It continues: “If she did have such knowledge, then she should have acted upon it. If she did have such knowledge, then she has misled the committee.” The four SNP committee members again disagreed with this statement, saying it “does not distinguish between bullying behaviour and sexual harassment”. They claimed “some evidence to the inquiry indicated that the former first minister could display bullying behaviour” but “there has been no suggestion the First Minister was aware of sexual harassment”. The committee found this is a potential breach of the ministerial code but added that Mr Hamilton’s report was the “most appropriate place” to address the question of whether Ms Sturgeon had breached the ministerial code."
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 23, 2021 10:26:47 GMT 1
I suppose the question will be whether those within the SNP see Sturgeon as a help or a hindrance when it comes to the ultimate aim of independence. As I doubt all this is helping the cause.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2021 10:39:05 GMT 1
I suppose the question will be whether those within the SNP see Sturgeon as a help or a hindrance when it comes to the ultimate aim of independence. As I doubt all this is helping the cause. i dont see the SNP throwing her under the bus, she is there best chance of independence, only time will tell what the public think of her. from a perspective of a leader who is a statesperson a person of integrity it does not say much about this country that we have sturegeon and boris at the helm .
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 23, 2021 11:17:03 GMT 1
I suppose the question will be whether those within the SNP see Sturgeon as a help or a hindrance when it comes to the ultimate aim of independence. As I doubt all this is helping the cause. i dont see the SNP throwing her under the bus, she is there best chance of independence, only time will tell what the public think of her. from a perspective of a leader who is a statesperson a person of integrity it does not say much about this country that we have sturegeon and boris at the helm . True. I think you are right. I don't think she would be forced out its whether she decided to resign. Perhaps the more pertinent question is whether Sturgeon herself now feels she is a help or a hindrance to seeking independence. I think the jury is most certainly out now on whether she is their best chance for independence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 11:41:06 GMT 1
She is a great talker, and hits the right notes, she is an astute politician, Give her her due's, the fact she is Anti British is neither here nor there. She is the best they have by a country mile, Blackford is just a tit....
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 23, 2021 11:53:06 GMT 1
She is a great talker, and hits the right notes, she is an astute politician, Give her her due's, the fact she is Anti British is neither here nor there. She is the best they have by a country mile, Blackford is just a tit.... I think the fact that Mr Hamilton found no evidence of "guilt" will save her, from the opposition from outside the SNP, but whether or not its leadership can keep the lid on the internal SNP divisions is another matter..
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2021 12:30:44 GMT 1
She is a great talker, and hits the right notes, she is an astute politician, Give her her due's, the fact she is Anti British is neither here nor there. She is the best they have by a country mile, Blackford is just a tit.... I think the fact that Mr Hamilton found no evidence of "guilt" will save her, from the opposition from outside the SNP, but whether or not its leadership can keep the lid on the internal SNP divisions is another matter.. untill recently the SNP machine is very organized and tightly controlled , whilst there seems to have been some internal fighting i can only base this on trying to find a range of views and asking my scottish friends who are SNP voter. as she is there more astute and articulate representative i cant see her going anywere untill she gets scotland independenace.i think they will get it but if they dont she may go then. when a committee highlights searious failings and still no one resigns how does that reflect on the scottish parliment, www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2021/mar/23/sturgeon-set-for-criticism-from-holyrood-committee-after-being-cleared-by-independent-adviser-of-breaking-ministerial-code-politics-live
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2021 18:05:18 GMT 1
no suprise by the result i dont have the details of how the partys have voted, the only suprise was how few of them voted against her. www.heraldscotland.com/news/19181524.nicola-sturgeon-survives-no-confidence-vote-holyrood-salmond-affair/NICOLA Sturgeon has survived a vote of no confidence in Holyrood over her role in the Alex Salmond affair. The First Minister accused the Scottish Conservatives, who tabled the motion, of a " desperate attempt" to claim her scalp. She said: "If you think you think you can bully me out of office, you are mistaken and you misjudge me. "If you want to remove me as First Minister, do it in an election." The motion of no confidence was brought forward by the Tories after a Holyrood inquiry concluded Ms Sturgeon has misled parliament. MSPs on the cross-party investigation ruled Ms Sturgeon gave "an inaccurate account" of what happened at a meeting with Mr Salmond in April 2018. The findings are separate from those of Irish lawyer James Hamilton, who reported on Monday that there had been no breach of the ministerial code by the First Minister over her role in the saga. The motion of no confidence was defeated by 65 votes to 31, with 27 abstentions. Speaking in Holyrood, Scottish Tory Holyrood leader Ruth Davidson said: "No First Minister who truly wanted to live up to the ideals of this Parliament should feel able to continue in post after having been judged guilty of misleading it. "How can Parliament have confidence in the words of a First Minister when those words have been found to be false? "The honourable thing would be to resign. Whether the First Minister has that sense of honour is now between her and her conscience." But Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar criticised both the Scottish Government and the Tories. "He said: "On one side, a litany of failings from a government that let down two women. "On the other side, an opposition guilty of playing grubby party politics on an issue as serious as sexual harassment. "This is a day of shame for our Parliament. "Scotland deserves a better Government. And it deserves a better opposition"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 24, 2021 13:40:58 GMT 1
the view of my scottish friends who vote for labour and the snp a clear need to review The role of Lord Advocate should be split so that his political and prosecutorial functions are entirely separate little faith in westminster to help scotland and a scottish goverment should have more powers and more autonamy view are split between staying in the union or independance to do that ( the pandemic and mishandling by uk goverment has merely amplified that very negative about brexit very strong dislike of Boris and even the labour voter did not like Starmer they felt both sturegon and salmond lied and that is hte norm in modern politics sturegon is by far the best leader to guide scotland even the labour voter felt the scottish labour party was in a mess also saw a channel 4 news report the further north they went the more support for sturegeon, most did not seem bothered that she had mislead parliment www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/23/nicola-sturgeon-salmond-crisis-holyrood-first-ministerNicola Sturgeon has survived the Salmond crisis, but it casts a shadow over Holyrood
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Post by servernaside on Mar 26, 2021 15:54:34 GMT 1
Alex Salmond is forming a new 'Alba Party" to fight the forthcoming elections and pursue Scottish independence.
He's obviously never heard of the concept of splitting the vote.
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Post by Dancin on Mar 26, 2021 15:59:03 GMT 1
Alex Salmond is forming a new 'Alba Party" to fight the forthcoming elections and pursue Scottish independence. He's obviously never heard of the concept of splitting the vote. Let them get on with it and with Labour in decline the Tories will be rubbing their hands.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 26, 2021 17:49:18 GMT 1
Alex Salmond is forming a new 'Alba Party" to fight the forthcoming elections and pursue Scottish independence. He's obviously never heard of the concept of splitting the vote. Let them get on with it and with Labour in decline the Tories will be rubbing their hands. there is also the Restore Scotland party that is pro independence but does not wont to rejoin the EU ( which iv never understood you wont to leave the union to have more control of your affairs but then promtly rejoin the eu and lose control of your affairs) www.scotsman.com/news/politics/restore-scotland-new-pro-brexit-scottish-independence-party-launches-holyrood-campaign-with-attack-on-snp-record-3168756the scottish green party is alo pro independence and an ally of the SNP they have a form of proptional represenation were the SNP normally pick up a lot of seats, so this could spread the vote.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 26, 2021 19:14:07 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 26, 2021 22:18:40 GMT 1
Salmond, Scotland's version of Nigel F, a canny politician or just a very bitter man? I certainly won't be voting for him, but that's not surprising as I don't have a vote.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 27, 2021 13:09:59 GMT 1
One defection in the Westminster parliament.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2021 14:42:40 GMT 1
Boris is not liked in Scotland so trading on Sturegeons leadership makes sense, it depends on how many scots are bothered that she mislead parliment if polls are to belived not many www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2021/03/28/snp-closer-than-ever-to-independence-dream-depute-leader-keith-brown-claims/SNP closer than ever to independence ‘dream’, depute leader Keith Brown claims ,The SNP is closer then ever to achieving the “dream” of an independent Scotland, the party’s depute leader has said. Keith Brown made the claim following opinion polls showing more than half of Scots are in favour of leaving the UK – although some more recent polls have shown a drop in support. But he insisted: “Never before in our history have so many Scots shared our belief that independence is the right path for our country.” He used his speech to contrast the “optimism” and “experienced leadership” of the SNP under Nicola Sturgeon with the Westminster Government, led by the “deeply untrustworthy Boris Johnson”. Mr Brown said the vote on May 6 would “ask the people of Scotland one simple question – should Scotland’s recovery be in Scotland’s hands, or that of Westminster Tories like the deeply untrustworthy Boris Johnson? “Now is the time for experienced leadership in government as we continue with the most important dual task – keeping Scotland safe and rebuilding towards a fairer future for all.” He argued: “To achieve a better future, we believe Scotland’s recovery should be in Scotland’s hands, not Boris Johnson’s.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 29, 2021 9:51:45 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Brown should acquaint himself with a few facts. Scotland's 'recovery' is due to a vaccine developed in England and financed by Boris Johnston's UK government.
God help Scotland if it chooses the path to independence led by the SNP cabal.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2021 10:06:41 GMT 1
the SNP are the dominant force in scotland and they will get independence sooner than later,i love scotland and have a number of scottish friends ,whilst i would preffer scotland to be in the union many in scotland dont i just hope when they do become independent we can be good and friendly neighbours and have a much better relationship htan with the current one with the EU. it is in scotlands own intrests to be a good neighbour as most of the trade is with england and most of the tourists are english.
from wiki "Scotland still conducts the majority of its trade within the UK: in 2017, Scotland's exports totalled £81.4 billion, of which £48.9 billion (60%) was with constituent nations of the UK, £14.9 billion with the rest of the European Union (EU), and £17.6 billion with other parts of the world."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 11:38:59 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Brown should acquaint himself with a few facts. Scotland's 'recovery' is due to a vaccine developed in England and financed by Boris Johnston's UK government. God help Scotland if it chooses the path to independence led by the SNP cabal. It is widely acknowledged by any fair minded individual that Nicola Sturgeon's leadership during the pandemic has been much more successful than Boris Johnson's. God help England with this proven liar and cheat in command.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2021 12:06:42 GMT 1
the SNP is a very well run party and are heading for another majhority as they push for independence, im not sure how wise it is to continue to attack Salmond, she has nothing to be worried about its not like half her party have defected, two councillors and two mps wont even make a dent ? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9413823/Nicola-Sturgeons-SNP-rocked-defections-Alex-Salmonds-Alba-party.html"Nicola Sturgeon takes aim at Alex Salmond with attack on politicians 'who treat politics like a game' as the SNP is rocked by MORE defections to ex-first minister's new Alba party ahead of May elections Two senior councillors have quit to line up alongside the former First Minister Defections come after two Westminster SNP MPs joined Alba at the weekendSalmond launched party in shock Friday announcement ahead of May elections "
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Post by servernaside on Mar 29, 2021 12:56:26 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Brown should acquaint himself with a few facts. Scotland's 'recovery' is due to a vaccine developed in England and financed by Boris Johnston's UK government. God help Scotland if it chooses the path to independence led by the SNP cabal. It is widely acknowledged by any fair minded individual that Nicola Sturgeon's leadership during the pandemic has been much more successful than Boris Johnson's. God help England with this proven liar and cheat in command. Which 'fair-minded' individuals...and on what basis?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 15:16:55 GMT 1
It is widely acknowledged by any fair minded individual that Nicola Sturgeon's leadership during the pandemic has been much more successful than Boris Johnson's. God help England with this proven liar and cheat in command. Which 'fair-minded' individuals...and on what basis? I'm afraid you shouldn't need to be prompted.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 29, 2021 23:36:23 GMT 1
Which 'fair-minded' individuals...and on what basis? I'm afraid you shouldn't need to be prompted. I'm afraid you need to come up with a better response than that. What we're likely to see is another of your unfounded political rants.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 7:48:55 GMT 1
I'm afraid you shouldn't need to be prompted. I'm afraid you need to come up with a better response than that. What we're likely to see is another of your unfounded political rants. You will have to come up with a better response than that. Give me an example of one of my "unfounded political rants" if you can!!. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else which probably says a lot and comes from someone who insists on calling people t**ts.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 30, 2021 8:37:14 GMT 1
As I suspected, not a shred of evidence for your hypothesis.
As regards your unfounded political rant, this is in response to it, or had you ....like Queen Nicola....simply forgotten.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:23:49 GMT 1
Perhaps Mr Brown should acquaint himself with a few facts. Scotland's 'recovery' is due to a vaccine developed in England and financed by Boris Johnston's UK government. God help Scotland if it chooses the path to independence led by the SNP cabal. It is widely acknowledged by any fair minded individual that Nicola Sturgeon's leadership during the pandemic has been much more successful than Boris Johnson's. God help England with this proven liar and cheat in command. Err no it’s not. It is believed she has communicated better, rather than handle the pandemic better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:33:23 GMT 1
As I suspected, not a shred of evidence for your hypothesis. As regards your unfounded political rant, this is in response to it, or had you ....like Queen Nicola....simply forgotten. You obviously don't know what a rant is !!! This is a rant:- "Corbyn 'unelectable mainly due to the negative press'. Nothing to do with the fact he is an utter t**t and Marxist to boot" Copyright Severnaside and one of many. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt about you being fair minded but in the minority over Sturgeon. This proves that you are not !!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:36:33 GMT 1
It is widely acknowledged by any fair minded individual that Nicola Sturgeon's leadership during the pandemic has been much more successful than Boris Johnson's. God help England with this proven liar and cheat in command. Err no it’s not. It is believed she has communicated better, rather than handle the pandemic better. Well, if she has communicated better, which is/was vitally important, she must have handled it better. Boris' mixed messages have caused no end of problems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:39:09 GMT 1
Err no it’s not. It is believed she has communicated better, rather than handle the pandemic better. Well, if she has communicated better, which is/was vitally important, she must have handled it better. Boris' mixed messages have caused no end of problems. If thats your level of thinking then its obvious to you she has handled it better, others though just think that if she says the sun shines out of her arse, does not actually means it does. Its always easy to sit a communicate, then go ask big brother to pay for it eh!!
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Post by servernaside on Mar 30, 2021 11:00:27 GMT 1
As I suspected, not a shred of evidence for your hypothesis. As regards your unfounded political rant, this is in response to it, or had you ....like Queen Nicola....simply forgotten. You obviously don't know what a rant is !!! This is a rant:- "Corbyn 'unelectable mainly due to the negative press'. Nothing to do with the fact he is an utter t**t and Marxist to boot" Copyright Severnaside and one of many. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt about you being fair minded but in the minority over Sturgeon. This proves that you are not !!! You certainly never put forward any logical or reasoned points.
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