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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 20, 2021 9:12:36 GMT 1
Urban density? As in the population density in urban areas? What stats are you looking at when you state that? This information is from 2011 however, I suspect it still holds true when looking to net migration to the UK and where most of those who come to live and work in the UK settle... List of urban areas in the United KingdomGlasgow is listed 5th but no way are those numbers roughly similar to that of London (and they are a good way off those of the West Midlands and Greater Manchester). London of course being the most densely populated and with a population greater than Scotland and Wales combined. Numbers of densely populated areas and their size of population has nothing to do with it. A quick guide is published every day on the BBC News website of the effect that covid has in areas of Scotland that are densely populated in relation to sparsely populated areas and it is a quite stark reminder how lucky people who live in rural areas are. Over the course of the pandemic you could see how strikingly urban areas of England have been more affected. It stands to reason that their is a greater risk in those areas and that has nothing to do with how many areas or their individual total populations. Hence urban population density has everything to do with it not total popoulation density. What you say there seems to contradict the point you are trying to make. Anyhow, I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. I think population density whether urban or otherwise most certainly impacts the spread of any virus and on that front, when looking to the countries of the UK, England has many more urban areas, with much higher populations and with much higher population densities. And for for me that most certainly plays its part.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 20, 2021 11:27:24 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on Mar 20, 2021 13:46:14 GMT 1
Urban density? As in the population density in urban areas? What stats are you looking at when you state that? This information is from 2011 however, I suspect it still holds true when looking to net migration to the UK and where most of those who come to live and work in the UK settle... List of urban areas in the United KingdomGlasgow is listed 5th but no way are those numbers roughly similar to that of London (and they are a good way off those of the West Midlands and Greater Manchester). London of course being the most densely populated and with a population greater than Scotland and Wales combined. Numbers of densely populated areas and their size of population has nothing to do with it. A quick guide is published every day on the BBC News website of the effect that covid has in areas of Scotland that are densely populated in relation to sparsely populated areas and it is a quite stark reminder how lucky people who live in rural areas are. Over the course of the pandemic you could see how strikingly urban areas of England have been more affected. It stands to reason that their is a greater risk in those areas and that has nothing to do with how many areas or their individual total populations. Hence urban population density has everything to do with it not total popoulation density. Ever heard of the old saying - 'when you're in a hole, stop digging' ?
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 20, 2021 13:57:28 GMT 1
Interestingly, Mr Neil echoes, when referring to political tactics, the very point I made in a response I gave to Wookeywombat yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 14:13:37 GMT 1
Interestingly, Mr Neil echoes, when referring to political tactics, the very point I made in a response I gave to Wookeywombat yesterday. I always thought Neil was a good interviewer and certainly one that Boris was scared of. This article reflects his true bias which remains from his Times days and fits in with the leanings of the Spectator. No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories. Then we have a long list of the downside of Scottish politics without any mention of the good that has been enacted by Scotland. If you need a list I will give you one but you are savvy enough to know these yourself. Any road up, it is the very height of hypocrisy for a Tory to call for her resignation for misleading parliament.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 20, 2021 14:58:42 GMT 1
Interestingly, Mr Neil echoes, when referring to political tactics, the very point I made in a response I gave to Wookeywombat yesterday. I always thought Neil was a good interviewer and certainly one that Boris was scared of. This article reflects his true bias which remains from his Times days and fits in with the leanings of the Spectator. No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories. Then we have a long list of the downside of Scottish politics without any mention of, the good that has been enacted by Scotland. If you need a list I will give you one but you are savvy enough to know these yourself. Any road up, it is the very height of hypocrisy for a Tory to call for her resignation for misleading parliament. The make-up of the Committee was given, however, and was not at all "weighted in favour of the Tories" who were a minority on the Committee. Equally, as Mr Neil points out, it was approved by Ms Sturgeon herself, so to now claim "foul" is the political equivalent of a decidedly late tackle; whether she gets red-carded for it is, I agree, another matter... Tactically, it may well serve the opposition parties - Labour included - better to let her stew slowly, but whether that would be good for Scottish politics generally is debatable.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 20, 2021 16:01:28 GMT 1
Interestingly, Mr Neil echoes, when referring to political tactics, the very point I made in a response I gave to Wookeywombat yesterday. I always thought Neil was a good interviewer and certainly one that Boris was scared of. This article reflects his true bias which remains from his Times days and fits in with the leanings of the Spectator. No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories. Then we have a long list of the downside of Scottish politics without any mention of the good that has been enacted by Scotland. If you need a list I will give you one but you are savvy enough to know these yourself. Any road up, it is the very height of hypocrisy for a Tory to call for her resignation for misleading parliament. "No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories." 9 memebers of hte committe 4 SNP and a scottish green party politicaly share SNP wish for indepence , and in the recent vote of no confidence saved SNP Deputy first minister John Swinney with two conservatives in the committe so not sure how that is weighted in favour of the tories ? if anything it was weighted in favour of the SNP and there green party ally committe members SNP: Linda Fabiani (convener), Alasdair Allen, Stuart McMillan, Maureen Watt Conservative: Margaret Mitchell (deputy convener), Murdo Fraser Labour: Jackie Baillie Liberal Democrat: Alex Cole-Hamilton Green: Alison Johnstone
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 20, 2021 16:11:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2021 18:30:16 GMT 1
I always thought Neil was a good interviewer and certainly one that Boris was scared of. This article reflects his true bias which remains from his Times days and fits in with the leanings of the Spectator. No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories. Then we have a long list of the downside of Scottish politics without any mention of the good that has been enacted by Scotland. If you need a list I will give you one but you are savvy enough to know these yourself. Any road up, it is the very height of hypocrisy for a Tory to call for her resignation for misleading parliament. "No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories." 9 memebers of hte committe 4 SNP and a scottish green party politicaly share SNP wish for indepence , and in the recent vote of no confidence saved SNP Deputy first minister John Swinney with two conservatives in the committe so not sure how that is weighted in favour of the tories ? if anything it was weighted in favour of the SNP and there green party ally committe members SNP: Linda Fabiani (convener), Alasdair Allen, Stuart McMillan, Maureen Watt Conservative: Margaret Mitchell (deputy convener), Murdo Fraser Labour: Jackie Baillie Liberal Democrat: Alex Cole-Hamilton Green: Alison Johnstone I accept that I did not phrase that correctly. It should be that the majority were anti independence. I don't know where you got that list from but Andy Whiteman sits as an independent and had the casting vote. There was no Green Party member. It remains a fact that it would be the height of hypocrisy for any Tory MSP to move a motion of no confidence.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 20, 2021 18:59:17 GMT 1
"No mention of the fact that the committee was weighted in favour of the Tories." 9 memebers of hte committe 4 SNP and a scottish green party politicaly share SNP wish for indepence , and in the recent vote of no confidence saved SNP Deputy first minister John Swinney with two conservatives in the committe so not sure how that is weighted in favour of the tories ? if anything it was weighted in favour of the SNP and there green party ally committe members SNP: Linda Fabiani (convener), Alasdair Allen, Stuart McMillan, Maureen Watt Conservative: Margaret Mitchell (deputy convener), Murdo Fraser Labour: Jackie Baillie Liberal Democrat: Alex Cole-Hamilton Green: Alison Johnstone I accept that I did not phrase that correctly. It should be that the majority were anti independence. I don't know where you got that list from but Andy Whiteman was the Convener and sits as an independent and had the casting vote. There was no Green Party member. It remains a fact that it would be the height of hypocrisy for any Tory MSP to move a motion of no confidence. im sorry if iv got that wrong im trying to find it
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 20, 2021 19:04:42 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 22, 2021 17:44:21 GMT 1
Some very good news for Sturgeon just come through.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 18:07:46 GMT 1
there is a thin line between misleading parliment and knowingly misleading the parliment however the latter has been looked at by a QC so that is that ,what damage this has done to her reputation is another thing. www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html"Nicola Sturgeon is CLEARED by QC of breaching the ministerial code in Alex Salmond scandal despite MSPs' report expected tomorrow to find that she DID"
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Post by servernaside on Mar 22, 2021 18:09:07 GMT 1
If you ever want two different opinions...just ask two lawyers.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 22, 2021 18:16:19 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Mar 22, 2021 18:40:57 GMT 1
Nicola Sturgeon’s own adviser to her government has concluded that she did not break the ministerial code in statements to the Scottish Parliament.
Daily Telegraph.
Independent report?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 19:24:07 GMT 1
Nicola Sturgeon’s own adviser to her government has concluded that she did not break the ministerial code in statements to the Scottish Parliament. Daily Telegraph. Independent report? is there not a conflict of intrests ?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 19:31:14 GMT 1
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Post by highlandshrew on Mar 22, 2021 19:42:44 GMT 1
Nicola Sturgeon’s own adviser to her government has concluded that she did not break the ministerial code in statements to the Scottish Parliament. Daily Telegraph. Independent report? is there not a conflict of intrests ? Hardly, he's an Irish QC who was actually first appointed by Alex Salmond.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 19:46:14 GMT 1
is there not a conflict of intrests ? Hardly, he's an Irish QC who was actually first appointed by Alex Salmond. Gutted by this.... but if she is not guilty then it’s the end of the matter....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 19:54:54 GMT 1
Hardly, he's an Irish QC who was actually first appointed by Alex Salmond. Gutted by this.... but if she is not guilty then it’s the end of the matter.... Dya know, I’m sure I could hear your teeth grinding as you typed that!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 20:35:01 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 20:36:48 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 20:43:24 GMT 1
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/insight-nicola-sturgeon-will-be-tried-in-court-of-public-opinion-3157142an intresting overivew she has been cleard by hamilton that will trump the comitteee's findings, if a vote of no confidence does go ahead she will win as the greens will back her. how this pans out in the court of public opinion is another matter,if polls are to be belived the majority of SNP voters wont her in powere regardless of the verdict. only time will tell what damage this has done to her and her reputation.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 22, 2021 20:52:57 GMT 1
There will be constant pressure on Sturgeon until she steps down and the SNP is reduced as a force for Scottish independence.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 22, 2021 21:35:59 GMT 1
Hardly, he's an Irish QC who was actually first appointed by Alex Salmond. Gutted by this.... but if she is not guilty then it’s the end of the matter.... Not really. The parliamentary inquiry will issue its findings shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 21:37:27 GMT 1
Gutted by this.... but if she is not guilty then it’s the end of the matter.... Not really. The parliamentary inquiry will issue its findings shortly. That’s irrelevant, she has already pointed out that it is 5/4 with the 4 being SNP so politically she would never win!
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Post by servernaside on Mar 22, 2021 21:38:32 GMT 1
Not really. The parliamentary inquiry will issue its findings shortly. That’s irrelevant, she has already pointed out that it is 5/4 with the 4 being SNP so politically she would never win! She's not out of the woods yet.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 22, 2021 21:53:49 GMT 1
That’s irrelevant, she has already pointed out that it is 5/4 with the 4 being SNP so politically she would never win! She's not out of the woods yet. she has already ignored the comittee regardles of what the final decsion is, hamilton clearing gives her the legal clearence for not knowingly misleading parliment, the green party will protect her in the vote of no confidence.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 23, 2021 8:34:42 GMT 1
is there not a conflict of intrests ? Hardly, he's an Irish QC who was actually first appointed by Alex Salmond. the point i was making in even though he was an independet advisor and clearly an expert in the scottish constitution , he still has links to the goverment and for it to be truley independent it should have been a QC with no links to the snp or the goverment or to have had any role within or for the goverment.. www.scotsman.com/news/politics/who-is-james-hamilton-and-why-is-his-report-so-important-to-first-minister-nicola-sturgeons-future-3174136"His position is to enable transparency and an independent viewpoint in matters which are perhaps sensitive or need to be handled without the interference of political leanings. As an advisor on the Ministerial Code, he has been investigating whether there has been a breach, and his conclusions are to be handed to the Scottish Government."
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