rayh
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Post by rayh on Apr 11, 2021 12:05:11 GMT 1
Cant believe how ph.career has plummeted since leaving stfc. Just glad he did not return to us! As for Payne just a stupid fool Sunday league awaits.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Apr 11, 2021 13:54:01 GMT 1
A red seems like a pretty harsh penalty for the actual act, don't think that would have been given as one if it was two opposing players.
No sympathy for Payne though, a really stupid thing to do - didn't like him even when he was scoring lots of goals for us in a successful team, which is quite an impressive achievement really.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 11, 2021 16:27:56 GMT 1
Games left -
Colchester - Walsall H Southend H Cheltenham A Salford H Tranmere A.
Southend - Exeter A Colchester A Leyton Orient H Barrow A Newport H.
Grimsby - Bolton H Morecambe H Oldham A Exeter A Port Vale H Cambridge A.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2021 17:24:56 GMT 1
So how long has Hurst got until the sack then?
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Post by rayh on Apr 11, 2021 17:34:44 GMT 1
Mon morning 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 11, 2021 17:52:29 GMT 1
Games left - Colchester - Walsall H Southend H Cheltenham A Salford H Tranmere A. Southend - Exeter A Colchester A Leyton Orient H Barrow A Newport H. Grimsby - Bolton H Morecambe H Oldham A Exeter A Port Vale H Cambridge A. Grimsby got probably the hardest run in. Think their only glimmer if home is that the other 2 are playing teams down around the bottom so points will get shared around.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 11, 2021 18:18:53 GMT 1
Cant believe how ph.career has plummeted since leaving stfc. Just glad he did not return to us! As for Payne just a stupid fool Sunday league awaits. It does beg the question though, was he right to take the big pay day as he knew he had struck lucky with that squad or was it a case of too much too early and it has started the downward spiral his career has taken.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 11, 2021 18:29:26 GMT 1
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 12, 2021 10:58:30 GMT 1
Cant believe how ph.career has plummeted since leaving stfc. Just glad he did not return to us! As for Payne just a stupid fool Sunday league awaits. It does beg the question though, was he right to take the big pay day as he knew he had struck lucky with that squad or was it a case of too much too early and it has started the downward spiral his career has taken. I think in reality most of us would have done the same. Just possibly not in the same way. As you say that season was an anamoly - a team that all gelled together and became very skilled at grinding out 1-0 wins. The squad was always going to be torn apart and so if I was PH I would have jumped ship too to a big payday. Although at the time Ipswich seemed like an odd choice and it proved to come true. It was a club in chaos and probably destined for exactly what happened. Mick McCarthy was the only thing holding the club together
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Post by venceremos on Apr 12, 2021 11:34:17 GMT 1
It does beg the question though, was he right to take the big pay day as he knew he had struck lucky with that squad or was it a case of too much too early and it has started the downward spiral his career has taken. I think in reality most of us would have done the same. Just possibly not in the same way. As you say that season was an anamoly - a team that all gelled together and became very skilled at grinding out 1-0 wins. The squad was always going to be torn apart and so if I was PH I would have jumped ship too to a big payday. Although at the time Ipswich seemed like an odd choice and it proved to come true. It was a club in chaos and probably destined for exactly what happened. Mick McCarthy was the only thing holding the club together Yes. Objectively, he almost certainly did the right thing in moving on when his stock was so high, as the manager of a small club almost achieving big things. We'd have been cherry picked for players whether he stayed or left and Henderson, Godfrey and Morris were always going to leave. Trying to follow up that season with a rebuilt squad would have been a huge gamble for him, and the odds are he'd have been managing a less successful, and much less eye catching, team next season. Take your opportunities when they're there because they might never be there again. But ..... try not to burn your bridges as you do it, and hope that you choose the right upward move. Hurst failed on both counts, and now he is where he is, needing to start all over again to prove he's not one of the big bunch of failed lower league managers.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 12, 2021 11:53:57 GMT 1
Hurst’s biggest mistake was how appallingly he did at Ipswich. He literally tarnished his reputation within a fortnight and was back in league two for his next job.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 12, 2021 12:23:23 GMT 1
Hurst’s biggest mistake was how appallingly he did at Ipswich. He literally tarnished his reputation within a fortnight and was back in league two for his next job. To be fair it was always a gamble for virtually any manager to go there and turn a club like Ipswich had become around. Thing is PH had had nothing but success in his managerial career up till he went there. I would actualky feel quite sorry for him but for the underhanded way he chose to go about it.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 12, 2021 12:49:02 GMT 1
Hurst’s biggest mistake was how appallingly he did at Ipswich. He literally tarnished his reputation within a fortnight and was back in league two for his next job. To be fair it was always a gamble for virtually any manager to go there and turn a club like Ipswich had become around. Thing is PH had had nothing but success in his managerial career up till he went there. I would actualky feel quite sorry for him but for the underhanded way he chose to go about it. It was a dreadful choice, but he does seem a typical lower league manager in that he wants to run the entire club himself in the way he wants. The higher up you go the harder that is. Feels similar for say the Cowleys. Biggest surprise for me was how limited his impact was at Sc***horpe - that to me feels exactly like the sort of club he would excel at, but my knowledge of league two clubs is definitely not what it once was. It always feels like such a shame, as that season will live long in the memory and would have been great for Hurst to maintain a nice link to the club. But whilst I look back fondly for the players, Hurst sullied his legacy with the way he left.
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Post by blamber on Apr 12, 2021 14:41:29 GMT 1
The Ipswich job came too quickly for him. But he must have thought that it was his best chance to move up the ladder. Hurst said himself that Town fans should not expect to mount another promotion challenge in 2018/19 season. But, had he stayed, even an average season in 2018/19 would have been enough for him to have had a drip feed of other good offers, I'd have thought.
Whilst you can berate him for behaving in the way he did towards us (quite rightly), I can see why he decided to go to Ipswich. But it has seemed like a curse has been put on him since he made that fateful decision to leave Shrewsbury. Whatever Brian said to himself when PH walked out, it certainly had its desired effect!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 15:30:35 GMT 1
The Ipswich job came too quickly for him. But he must have thought that it was his best chance to move up the ladder. Hurst said himself that Town fans should not expect to mount another promotion challenge in 2018/19 season. But, had he stayed, even an average season in 2018/19 would have been enough for him to have had a drip feed of other good offers, I'd have thought. Whilst you can berate him for behaving in the way he did towards us (quite rightly), I can see why he decided to go to Ipswich. But it has seemed like a curse has been put on him since he made that fateful decision to leave Shrewsbury. Whatever Brian said to himself when PH walked out, it certainly had its desired effect! This is what Brian said . . . "Humanum quis sustulit Verionis palliolum sive res illius, qui illius minus fecit, ut illius mentes, memorias deiectas sive mulierem sive eas, cuius Verionis res minus fecit, ut illius manus, caput, pedes vermes, cancer, vermitudo interet, membra medullas illius interet."
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Post by northwestman on Apr 12, 2021 16:03:28 GMT 1
The Ipswich job came too quickly for him. But he must have thought that it was his best chance to move up the ladder. Hurst said himself that Town fans should not expect to mount another promotion challenge in 2018/19 season. But, had he stayed, even an average season in 2018/19 would have been enough for him to have had a drip feed of other good offers, I'd have thought. Whilst you can berate him for behaving in the way he did towards us (quite rightly), I can see why he decided to go to Ipswich. But it has seemed like a curse has been put on him since he made that fateful decision to leave Shrewsbury. Whatever Brian said to himself when PH walked out, it certainly had its desired effect! This is what Brian said . . . "Humanum quis sustulit Verionis palliolum sive res illius, qui illius minus fecit, ut illius mentes, memorias deiectas sive mulierem sive eas, cuius Verionis res minus fecit, ut illius manus, caput, pedes vermes, cancer, vermitudo interet, membra medullas illius interet." "The human who stole Verio’s cloak or his things, who deprived him of his property, may he be bereft of his mind and memory, be it a woman or those who deprived Verio of his property, may the worms, cancer, and maggots penetrate his hands, head, feet, as well as his limbs and marrows."
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2021 23:37:09 GMT 1
This is what Brian said . . . "Humanum quis sustulit Verionis palliolum sive res illius, qui illius minus fecit, ut illius mentes, memorias deiectas sive mulierem sive eas, cuius Verionis res minus fecit, ut illius manus, caput, pedes vermes, cancer, vermitudo interet, membra medullas illius interet." "The human who stole Verio’s cloak or his things, who deprived him of his property, may he be bereft of his mind and memory, be it a woman or those who deprived Verio of his property, may the worms, cancer, and maggots penetrate his hands, head, feet, as well as his limbs and marrows." Thanks NWM, I never did understand Scottish.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 13, 2021 19:50:30 GMT 1
I think in reality most of us would have done the same. Just possibly not in the same way. As you say that season was an anamoly - a team that all gelled together and became very skilled at grinding out 1-0 wins. The squad was always going to be torn apart and so if I was PH I would have jumped ship too to a big payday. Although at the time Ipswich seemed like an odd choice and it proved to come true. It was a club in chaos and probably destined for exactly what happened. Mick McCarthy was the only thing holding the club together Yes. Objectively, he almost certainly did the right thing in moving on when his stock was so high, as the manager of a small club almost achieving big things. We'd have been cherry picked for players whether he stayed or left and Henderson, Godfrey and Morris were always going to leave. Trying to follow up that season with a rebuilt squad would have been a huge gamble for him, and the odds are he'd have been managing a less successful, and much less eye catching, team next season. Take your opportunities when they're there because they might never be there again. But ..... try not to burn your bridges as you do it, and hope that you choose the right upward move. Hurst failed on both counts, and now he is where he is, needing to start all over again to prove he's not one of the big bunch of failed lower league managers.   I think that's the biggest point. If he left in the proper manner he would have probably back over here by now.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 13, 2021 21:09:50 GMT 1
Well done to Barrow on their win over Exeter tonight. 46 points means they are pretty much safe now.
Any 2 from 3 to go down now, with Colchester probably just needing 1 more win to condemn Grimsby and Southend.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 13, 2021 21:20:54 GMT 1
Well done to Barrow on their win over Exeter tonight. 46 points means they are pretty much safe now. Any 2 from 3 to go down now, with Colchester probably just needing 1 more win to condemn Grimsby and Southend. Colchester's Home game against Southend is a real 6 pointer!
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 13, 2021 21:26:02 GMT 1
Well done to Barrow on their win over Exeter tonight. 46 points means they are pretty much safe now. Any 2 from 3 to go down now, with Colchester probably just needing 1 more win to condemn Grimsby and Southend. Colchester's Home game against Southend is a real 6 pointer! Would have been a very tasty local derby if fans were there!
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Post by Dale on Apr 16, 2021 10:23:29 GMT 1
According to a Grimsby source on Twitter, Hursty has confirmed that Payne won’t play again for the club this season, along with Filipe Morais who was the other player involved in the altercation.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 16, 2021 10:53:00 GMT 1
According to a Grimsby source on Twitter, Hursty has confirmed that Payne won’t play again for the club this season, along with Filipe Morais who was the other player involved in the altercation. Starting place for the Shop then!
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Post by northwestman on Apr 16, 2021 10:57:05 GMT 1
Grimsby have come a long way downhill since the days of Batch, the Moore brothers, Ford, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund etc.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 16, 2021 11:03:19 GMT 1
According to a Grimsby source on Twitter, Hursty has confirmed that Payne won’t play again for the club this season, along with Filipe Morais who was the other player involved in the altercation. Not really a decision any manager would want to have to make just as you are about to drop out of the FL. If it was any other manager I would feel sorry for him but as its...........😅😅😅
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 16, 2021 11:04:11 GMT 1
Grimsby have come a long way downhill since the days of Batch, the Moore brothers, Ford, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund etc. Back in the days when we were playing each other in what is now the Championship.
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Post by edgmond on Apr 16, 2021 13:54:35 GMT 1
Grimsby have come a long way downhill since the days of Batch, the Moore brothers, Ford, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund etc. Back in the days when we were playing each other in what is now the Championship. I was looking at an old Arsenal programme recently (1937 I think) and was surprised to see Grimsby in the old First Division. I think they had a few seasons at that level. I suppose the whole Cleethorpes/Grimsby area was thriving in those days with the seaside resort and fishing industry. I would say how the mighty have fallen, but that might be stretching it a bit! For those too young to remember, this means they were in the equivalent of the Premier League.
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Post by Dale on Apr 16, 2021 16:13:20 GMT 1
Back in the days when we were playing each other in what is now the Championship. I was looking at an old Arsenal programme recently (1937 I think) and was surprised to see Grimsby in the old First Division. I think they had a few seasons at that level. I suppose the whole Cleethorpes/Grimsby area was thriving in those days with the seaside resort and fishing industry. I would say how the mighty have fallen, but that might be stretching it a bit! For those too young to remember, this means they were in the equivalent of the Premier League. Also I think it was around that time when Grimsby Town played their part in front of a record attendance at Old Trafford which I think still stands today, a FA Cup semi final against Wolves.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Apr 17, 2021 14:17:53 GMT 1
Grimsby 2-0 Bolton. 87 mins.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 17, 2021 14:53:40 GMT 1
Grimsby 2-0 Bolton. 87 mins. Surprised at that result. Colchester will need to beat Walsall later this afternoon. 22 Colchester United 41 8 17 16 39 59 -20 41 23 Southend United 42 8 14 20 24 53 -29 38 24 Grimsby Town 41 8 13 20 32 59 -27 37
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