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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:53:09 GMT 1
Yeah, I think that's fair. And from what is being reported now it looks as though the EU are working on new rules which might include the power to block exports. If used then effectively, in order to get out of the mess created, the EU will be jumping the queue if those vaccines are contracted to be delivered to someone other than the EU. However, we wait and see what happens, hopefully it won't need to come to that. Seems to have gone very public this, mind. Calls now for the contact between the EU and AZ to be published. hindsight is a wonderfull thing but this could have been handled very differnetly with less finger pointing and we would not be viewing this unfold in the way it is.i really hope the EU dont block exports that have already been contractualy agreed with various countrys as this will lead to diplomatic problems with a number of countrys not just just britain. From what is reported I think the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance that I mentioned above had already negotiated a contract with AZ way back in June/July last year. We were good to go. But it is what it is, lets see how it pans out...
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2021 18:54:41 GMT 1
My mum has been offered the jab ! Must be one of the last over 80s according to what I'm seeing - have to go to Telford though. Does anyone know if it is worth waiting 'til the Shrewsbury site opens ? get it done asap, theres no regrets then
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 27, 2021 20:16:59 GMT 1
My mum has been offered the jab ! Must be one of the last over 80s according to what I'm seeing - have to go to Telford though. Does anyone know if it is worth waiting 'til the Shrewsbury site opens ? If you can get your lovely Mum to Telford, do it. Give her a head start with immunity.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2021 21:08:55 GMT 1
My mum has been offered the jab ! Must be one of the last over 80s according to what I'm seeing - have to go to Telford though. Does anyone know if it is worth waiting 'til the Shrewsbury site opens ? If you can get your lovely Mum to Telford, do it. Give her a head start with immunity. thats exactly what i said, but you've put it a lot better, any sign of yours JT ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 27, 2021 21:13:26 GMT 1
My mum has been offered the jab ! Must be one of the last over 80s according to what I'm seeing - have to go to Telford though. Does anyone know if it is worth waiting 'til the Shrewsbury site opens ? Weather's ok for driving A little warmer for getting your over 80's mum out in the cold. An excuse for a lockdown drive.
I'd do it.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 27, 2021 22:06:03 GMT 1
Me mother had jab this afternoon in chirk, onwards and upwards๐๐
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 7:28:28 GMT 1
hindsight is a wonderfull thing but this could have been handled very differnetly with less finger pointing and we would not be viewing this unfold in the way it is.i really hope the EU dont block exports that have already been contractualy agreed with various countrys as this will lead to diplomatic problems with a number of countrys not just just britain. From what is reported I think the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance that I mentioned above had already negotiated a contract with AZ way back in June/July last year. We were good to go. But it is what it is, lets see how it pans out... it is and let us hope things get sorted out so evryone gets the vaccine asap and countrys have not fallen out over it.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 9:31:52 GMT 1
I watched a programme on you tube from the economist about what the world will need to vaccinate the world, it is a huge logistical challenge and this is compounded by two of the vaccines that requier specalist storage facilities. the comenator felt the oxford vaccine would be the esiest logistically to reach large numbers around the world as the other two would be logistically esier in wealthy countrys. you then face the reality of rich countrys snapping up most of the vaccines, however (Covax) is a multilateral initiative aimed at ensuring that all countries have โfair and equitable accessโ to covid-19 vaccines. covax are trying there best. www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/18/who-just-25-covid-vaccine-doses-administered-in-low-income-countries"A global vaccine-sharing fund, Covax, says it is preparing to deliver its first doses in February but is competing with nations striking their own, often more lucrative deals with manufacturers to secure limited supplies of vaccines." countrys that take part in vaccination trials for chinese vaccines in return for the vaccines have all signed non disclosuer agreements, so the WHO and reserchers are unable to look at hte data from there trials to see how clincally effective they are, russia has signed similar deals with supplys of there vaccine. www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/covid-vaccine-boosts-chinas-soft-power-around-world/โIn a way yes, China is conducting vaccine diplomacy, but to some extent China is also helping itself because if all the neighbouring countries get out of this pandemic, then China will be safer.โ China's early success quashing the coronavirus outbreak, which first emerged in Wuhan, has also left vaccine developers with the problem of needing to conduct efficacy trials in countries where volunteers stand a chance of catching the disease. Trials of Chinese vaccines are underway in Pakistan - where officials have said they will in return receive millions of doses on a priority basis - as well as Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Saudi Arabia."
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 28, 2021 9:45:49 GMT 1
If you can get your lovely Mum to Telford, do it. Give her a head start with immunity. thats exactly what i said, but you've put it a lot better, any sign of yours JT ? I'm a frayed knot. A nineties something neighbour had a call to book her in for hers. That's the best of a local tightknit community, we've got volunteers offering to help out people who need it, so her transport to the local surgery where they've just started doing the jabs is all fixed up. At 38, I'm not expecting the call just yet.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 28, 2021 10:00:36 GMT 1
Thought our local surgery in Worcester was very efficient when my wife and I had our jabs yesterday. We are both 71 . We had a designated seated waiting area indoors, with social distancing. Seen exactly on time. Joint appointment of about 10 minutes, with questionnaire and comprehensive information. Was Oxford jab and totally painless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 10:25:53 GMT 1
If anyone has issues getting to their appointment for a jab, let me know, and see how i can help, even if i have to drive them myself. (to show my tolerance, i will even extend this to the work shy lefties.... )
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:16:33 GMT 1
can do without this but let us be gratful no one was injured and the production of hte vaccine was not disrupted. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55822838"Production of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine has resumed at a plant after it was suspended when a suspicious package was received.The Wockhardt UK plant on Wrexham Industrial Estate was evacuated and the Army sent a bomb disposal unit.Police said the package had been made safe and its contents would be "taken away for analysis". "Forensic police officers were seen examining items on the road outside the plant, which remained closed after the cordon had been lifted. Wockhardt UK said: "We can confirm that the investigation on the suspicious package received today has been concluded. "Given that staff safety is our main priority, manufacturing was temporarily paused whilst this place safely. "We can now confirm that the package was made safe and staff are now being allowed back into the facility. "This temporary suspension of manufacturing has in no way affected our production schedule and we are grateful to the authorities and experts for their swift response and resolution of the incident."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:17:07 GMT 1
Thought our local surgery in Worcester was very efficient when my wife and I had our jabs yesterday. We are both 71 . We had a designated seated waiting area indoors, with social distancing. Seen exactly on time. Joint appointment of about 10 minutes, with questionnaire and comprehensive information. Was Oxford jab and totally painless. glad it all whent well
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:17:35 GMT 1
If anyone has issues getting to their appointment for a jab, let me know, and see how i can help, even if i have to drive them myself. (to show my tolerance, i will even extend this to the work shy lefties.... ) that is very kind and thoughtfull of you
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 28, 2021 11:18:56 GMT 1
Me mother had jab this afternoon in chirk, onwards and upwards๐๐ good news
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 28, 2021 14:22:41 GMT 1
If anyone has issues getting to their appointment for a jab, let me know, and see how i can help, even if i have to drive them myself. (to show my tolerance, i will even extend this to the work shy lefties.... ) Good stuff, Downie. To carry on in the spirit of selflessness and Salop fans helping each other out I'll happily extend a similar offer of a lift if people are struggling. Probably a bit late now given we're a year into this but would it be worth doing a bit of a B and A mutual aid sticky? Lifts to jabs, picking up shopping etc.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 28, 2021 14:25:43 GMT 1
If anyone has issues getting to their appointment for a jab, let me know, and see how i can help, even if i have to drive them myself. (to show my tolerance, i will even extend this to the work shy lefties.... ) Good stuff, Downie. To carry on in the spirit of selflessness and Salop fans helping each other out I'll happily extend a similar offer of a lift if people are struggling. Probably a bit late now given we're a year into this but would it be worth doing a bit of a B and A mutual aid sticky? Lifts to jabs, picking up shopping etc. i suppose its the thought that counts
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 29, 2021 10:24:21 GMT 1
hindsight is a wonderfull thing but this could have been handled very differnetly with less finger pointing and we would not be viewing this unfold in the way it is.i really hope the EU dont block exports that have already been contractualy agreed with various countrys as this will lead to diplomatic problems with a number of countrys not just just britain. From what is reported I think the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance that I mentioned above had already negotiated a contract with AZ way back in June/July last year. We were good to go. But it is what it is, lets see how it pans out... in the papers today indicate the EU are going down the route of having the power block exports of vaccines, there is a big difference between having the power and using it. let us hope they allow pfizer to honour existing contracts and then prioratise the EU.
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Post by servernaside on Jan 29, 2021 10:35:58 GMT 1
From what is reported I think the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance that I mentioned above had already negotiated a contract with AZ way back in June/July last year. We were good to go. But it is what it is, lets see how it pans out... in the papers today indicate the EU are going down the route of having the power block exports of vaccines, there is a big difference between having the power and using it. let us hope they allow pfizer to honour existing contracts and then prioratise the EU. They are showing the true nature of the bully....especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 29, 2021 10:51:26 GMT 1
From what is reported I think the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance that I mentioned above had already negotiated a contract with AZ way back in June/July last year. We were good to go. But it is what it is, lets see how it pans out... in the papers today indicate the EU are going down the route of having the power block exports of vaccines, there is a big difference between having the power and using it. let us hope they allow pfizer to honour existing contracts and then prioratise the EU. Yes, seems that those powers have been requested and maybe granted today. Perhaps level heads will prevail and some agreement can be sought and agreed that would stop the EU deploying these powers. As Johnson, to his credit, was keen to emphasize in the Commons during the last PMQ; it is a global issue, it's going to take a coordinated global response and effort to get us all through this. If the pandemic isn't addressed globally then it isn't addressed at all. Everyone should be well aware of that considering the new strains that have been discovered of late.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 29, 2021 11:25:50 GMT 1
very good news but also shown to work against new mutations at 89% and 96% against first covid strain.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 29, 2021 11:27:23 GMT 1
in the papers today indicate the EU are going down the route of having the power block exports of vaccines, there is a big difference between having the power and using it. let us hope they allow pfizer to honour existing contracts and then prioratise the EU. They are showing the true nature of the bully....especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia. ."especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia." that sounds like any goverment.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 29, 2021 11:29:33 GMT 1
in the papers today indicate the EU are going down the route of having the power block exports of vaccines, there is a big difference between having the power and using it. let us hope they allow pfizer to honour existing contracts and then prioratise the EU. Yes, seems that those powers have been requested and maybe granted today. Perhaps level heads will prevail and some agreement can be sought and agreed that would stop the EU deploying these powers. As Johnson, to his credit, was keen to emphasize in the Commons during the last PMQ; it is a global issue, it's going to take a coordinated global response and effort to get us all through this. If the pandemic isn't addressed globally then it isn't addressed at all. Everyone should be well aware of that considering the new strains that have been discovered of late. "If the pandemic isn't addressed globally then it isn't addressed at all. Everyone should be well aware of that considering the new strains that have been discovered of late." very true and as i have posted on this thread internationally the poor countrys are struggling to get a share of the vaccines, (Covax) is a multilateral initiative aimed at ensuring that all countries have โfair and equitable accessโ to covid-19 vaccines.) this article breaks down the % of vaccines hte richer countrys have bought www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4809A spokesman for Health Canada, when asked about its large vaccine orders, noted that the country had invested C$440m (ยฃ262m; โฌ284m; US$345m) in Covax, most of which would go to vaccines used in other countries. Most experts believe that rich countries will eventually also donate their unneeded doses directly to Covax, although that was not how the programme was meant to work. But those countries will first wait to see how each vaccine performs and for how long they confer immunity. The likely result is that many poor countries will not see mass immunisation until 2022 or 2023. if this article is accurate by 2022 /23 the poorer countrys will merely be a breeding ground for more mutations. although china through soft power has done deals with some countrys.
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Post by servernaside on Jan 29, 2021 11:50:09 GMT 1
They are showing the true nature of the bully....especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia. ."especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia." that sounds like any goverment. Not ours apparently when it comes to ordering vaccines. Did you miss that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 12:54:16 GMT 1
If anyone has issues getting to their appointment for a jab, let me know, and see how i can help, even if i have to drive them myself. (to show my tolerance, i will even extend this to the work shy lefties.... ) that is very kind and thoughtfull of you Downies Scale of Charges 21/22 : Right Wing Zealots โ Free . Work Shy Lefties โ- A Lot . Seriously a brilliant gesture , extremely kind Downie . Iโm beginning to see you in a new light ๐๐๐๐
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 29, 2021 13:57:38 GMT 1
."especially one who has been found wanting and now wishes to blame others for their own inertia." that sounds like any goverment. Not ours apparently when it comes to ordering vaccines. Did you miss that? no i did not and i did say any goverment
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 29, 2021 14:14:25 GMT 1
I watched a programme on you tube from the economist about what the world will need to vaccinate the world, it is a huge logistical challenge and this is compounded by two of the vaccines that requier specalist storage facilities. the comenator felt the oxford vaccine would be the esiest logistically to reach large numbers around the world as the other two would be logistically esier in wealthy countrys. you then face the reality of rich countrys snapping up most of the vaccines, however (Covax) is a multilateral initiative aimed at ensuring that all countries have โfair and equitable accessโ to covid-19 vaccines. covax are trying there best. www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/18/who-just-25-covid-vaccine-doses-administered-in-low-income-countries"A global vaccine-sharing fund, Covax, says it is preparing to deliver its first doses in February but is competing with nations striking their own, often more lucrative deals with manufacturers to secure limited supplies of vaccines." countrys that take part in vaccination trials for chinese vaccines in return for the vaccines have all signed non disclosuer agreements, so the WHO and reserchers are unable to look at hte data from there trials to see how clincally effective they are, russia has signed similar deals with supplys of there vaccine. www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/covid-vaccine-boosts-chinas-soft-power-around-world/โIn a way yes, China is conducting vaccine diplomacy, but to some extent China is also helping itself because if all the neighbouring countries get out of this pandemic, then China will be safer.โ China's early success quashing the coronavirus outbreak, which first emerged in Wuhan, has also left vaccine developers with the problem of needing to conduct efficacy trials in countries where volunteers stand a chance of catching the disease. Trials of Chinese vaccines are underway in Pakistan - where officials have said they will in return receive millions of doses on a priority basis - as well as Brazil, Russia, Mexico and Saudi Arabia." Even countries like India are using their ability to help. They don't have the money to invest in somewhere like Bangladesh, but they do have vaccine factories, so are agreeing to supply their neighbours. Hopefully, as delivery matches the rate at which vaccine rich countries are able to administer them, they will be only too willing to help. Imagine the kudos, for example, if Great Britain was able to deliver the rest of europes daily requirements.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 29, 2021 14:20:15 GMT 1
that is very kind and thoughtfull of you Downies Scale of Charges 21/22 : Right Wing Zealots โ Free . Work Shy Lefties โ- A Lot . Seriously a brilliant gesture , extremely kind Downie . Iโm beginning to see you in a new light ๐๐๐๐ I wondered if it was a free ride to get your vaccine, but lefties had to walk back?
He has a heart of gold, talks sense, would have made a good Labour member. What went wrong?
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Post by northwestman on Jan 29, 2021 14:27:43 GMT 1
I've had my NHS letter, but all the venues listed on the NHS website are miles away, even though I know that The Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital in Gobowen is a vaccination centre.
The letter then says that if the venues listed are not suitable, then I have to wait to be contacted by my local GP surgery for something more local to be arranged.
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