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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 26, 2021 14:04:44 GMT 1
I see politics is now being played on the vaccine front. EU threatening to block vaccine exports and stories emerging from Germany about the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine. And then questions being asked as to how the UK is still getting the full orders but the EU aren't. Good to see the world pulling together in these times i saw this i really hope this is a fake story, i also cant see how they could do this we have a contract with the company for specific amounts, if they do do this then are they not breaking intenational law ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 14:09:00 GMT 1
I see politics is now being played on the vaccine front. EU threatening to block vaccine exports and stories emerging from Germany about the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine. And then questions being asked as to how the UK is still getting the full orders but the EU aren't. Good to see the world pulling together in these times They dont want it, fine, and if they do, those tariffs can be a bit steep.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 14:30:05 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 26, 2021 14:43:33 GMT 1
Aren’t you outside all day? No safer place some might say Certainly the science suggests it’s highly unlikely to be transmissible outside on average the first 3 hours of the day are spent indoors preparing my round, 2 meters ? 2 feet if you are lucky, i handle a couple of 1000 items touched in the last 24 hours by as many people, and then i pop them through 500-1000 letterboxes , whilst i'm out i take covid test kits to those who have symptoms and have requested one, and collect the same kits from those who have done the test, we're into double figures of confirmed cases in our office most postmen are young kids, unlikely to have any symptoms unlike pharmacists we dont have ANY tests how many of you grab the mail from your letter box the second it arrives and immediatly open it ? just saying I haven't taken time to check the figures but just noticed this on Twitter and thought about your post. Not sure if the figures are accurate and what the real split is within the occupations grouped, mind. But even so...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 26, 2021 14:50:13 GMT 1
Its been a crazy few hours that's for sure as that Handelsblatt article really did set alarm bells ringing. To read that last night and you're like "oh no". Thankfully, as subsequently reported, a misunderstanding.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 26, 2021 14:57:18 GMT 1
I see politics is now being played on the vaccine front. EU threatening to block vaccine exports and stories emerging from Germany about the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine. And then questions being asked as to how the UK is still getting the full orders but the EU aren't. Good to see the world pulling together in these times i saw this i really hope this is a fake story, i also cant see how they could do this we have a contract with the company for specific amounts, if they do do this then are they not breaking intenational law ? We picked this up yesterday evening and when you think about the importance of this vaccine (due to the cost, due to how it can be stored and transported) it was a tad concerning reading that it was only 8% efficient in people over 65. AZ already released a statement last night about this, refuting the findings. Thankfully the newspaper who made the claims seems to have got their figures mixed up. Phew. Although rumors are that Handelsblatt got those figures from some ministers over this way. So either the ministers got things wrong or the newspaper didn't quite understand the information provided. But a bit of a mess all-round anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 15:36:36 GMT 1
My mum (back home in Wales) is having hers tomorrow.
She's in the priority 2, over 80s group.
It's been slow going in parts of Wales.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 26, 2021 16:04:39 GMT 1
My mum (back home in Wales) is having hers tomorrow. She's in the priority 2, over 80s group. It's been slow going in parts of Wales. glad to hear it . The welsh news online reported that wales had been slow to roll it out but Wales seem have to have sorted things out in the last few days. www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-vaccine-rates-wales-england-19693704"Wales is on track to vaccinate nearly three quarters of a million people by mid-February after a surge in vaccines delivered in the past four days. Since the ambitious targets were set and the rollout began in earnest on But in just the three days between Thursday and Sunday, a tenth of that number were given their jabs and Wales is now on target. In total 8.7% of the Welsh population have now received their first jabs" Speaking on Monday, the health minister Vaughan Gething, said there had been a "sharp acceleration" as supplies of the vaccine had increased. The vaccination effort in Wales has been given a massive boost by GPs over the last few days. In Powys, all 60 of its GPs are now offering the vaccine to patients. Mr Gething said Wales now has 329 GP practices offering vaccines and this will increase again this week. In addition, the first three community vaccine centres opened in north Wales and Bridgend on the weekend."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 26, 2021 16:14:32 GMT 1
Aren’t you outside all day? No safer place some might say Certainly the science suggests it’s highly unlikely to be transmissible outside on average the first 3 hours of the day are spent indoors preparing my round, 2 meters ? 2 feet if you are lucky, i handle a couple of 1000 items touched in the last 24 hours by as many people, and then i pop them through 500-1000 letterboxes , whilst i'm out i take covid test kits to those who have symptoms and have requested one, and collect the same kits from those who have done the test, we're into double figures of confirmed cases in our office most postmen are young kids, unlikely to have any symptoms unlike pharmacists we dont have ANY tests how many of you grab the mail from your letter box the second it arrives and immediatly open it ? just saying sine the lockdown iv bought a lot online than i ever did before and i thought about transmission from parcels and post , so all mail arrives in our porch the i opene there packaging/envelopes they go straight out for recycling, hand sanitiser used for letters or goods put in box for 72 hours then wash hands. i fully understand your concerns about your safety and your workplace and if i was working there i would have the same concerns.
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 26, 2021 16:43:37 GMT 1
My mum (back home in Wales) is having hers tomorrow. She's in the priority 2, over 80s group. It's been slow going in parts of Wales. Looks like Shrewsbury is a bit behind that - my mum has not received a notification yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 16:45:41 GMT 1
My mum (back home in Wales) is having hers tomorrow. She's in the priority 2, over 80s group. It's been slow going in parts of Wales. Looks like Shrewsbury is a bit behind that - my mum has not received a notification yet. Hopefully it wont be too long before she gets an appointment.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 26, 2021 17:07:50 GMT 1
My mum (back home in Wales) is having hers tomorrow. She's in the priority 2, over 80s group. It's been slow going in parts of Wales. Looks like Shrewsbury is a bit behind that - my mum has not received a notification yet. Hopefully sorted soon for your mum. We are in group 4 , so pleasantly surprised here in Worcester we are having ours tomorrow .
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Post by Pilch on Jan 26, 2021 17:11:27 GMT 1
on average the first 3 hours of the day are spent indoors preparing my round, 2 meters ? 2 feet if you are lucky, i handle a couple of 1000 items touched in the last 24 hours by as many people, and then i pop them through 500-1000 letterboxes , whilst i'm out i take covid test kits to those who have symptoms and have requested one, and collect the same kits from those who have done the test, we're into double figures of confirmed cases in our office most postmen are young kids, unlikely to have any symptoms unlike pharmacists we dont have ANY tests how many of you grab the mail from your letter box the second it arrives and immediatly open it ? just saying I haven't taken time to check the figures but just noticed this on Twitter and thought about your post. Not sure if the figures are accurate and what the real split is within the occupations grouped, mind. But even so... good spot, and someone hoped i was joking about it
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 9:02:06 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 27, 2021 10:08:41 GMT 1
I haven't taken time to check the figures but just noticed this on Twitter and thought about your post. Not sure if the figures are accurate and what the real split is within the occupations grouped, mind. But even so... good spot, and someone hoped i was joking about it Postmen and others performing elementary tasks? What’s that mean... Seriously despite the pandemic it’s employers who still have to provide a safe working environment. They have to change working practices to make them Covid safe. Very surprised the CWU isn’t all over this especially the way the sortings being done still in cramped conditions. Has anything changed
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Post by Pilch on Jan 27, 2021 10:21:14 GMT 1
good spot, and someone hoped i was joking about it Postmen and others performing elementary tasks? What’s that mean... doctors from baker street ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 27, 2021 10:37:44 GMT 1
We are in lockdown, but infection rates are still high. It's about time the workplace was monitored for any improvements that could be made.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 11:05:06 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 27, 2021 11:16:06 GMT 1
We are in lockdown, but infection rates are still high. It's about time the workplace was monitored for any improvements that could be made. They already are and have been since the start. Some seem to just carry on but all have to be classified ‘Covid safe’ ..... My sister in law works for Land Registry in Telford. They had to work from home during the initial lockdown then when asked to return assessments were made, changes implemented BUT they couldn’t maintain 2 meters safe distance so the decision was made (with union help) to work from home permanently. land Registry weren’t pleased but the employees were and are safe. oh and more productive....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 11:29:46 GMT 1
We are in lockdown, but infection rates are still high. It's about time the workplace was monitored for any improvements that could be made. They are high but they are starting from a ridiculously high level and are reducing. The ZOE app has cases under 30,000 per day which is down from 70,000 at the beginning of the month and we've seen the number of cases announced by the government at around 20,000 for the last couple of days, lets hope that continues rather than it being a data anomaly. Deaths & hospitalisations are far too high but hopefully as cases reduce then that will see reductions here too, it will just take longer due to the lag What will be interesting to see is the impact on the groups who have had the vaccine. Israel have apparently seen a 60% drop in hospitalisations for over 60s after only 3 weeks of the first dose
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 27, 2021 11:38:34 GMT 1
thanks for that; complicated it is! mind boogling that each plant has different yield issues and the australian plant that has a long history of vaccine production had the same problem, as a lay person you would think the australian plant would not have them but new plants in the uk would, however it took 3 months for them to sort out hte problems with the uk plants which explains the supply problems for the uk. you would hope the EU would see why, if you are late to the game then you are going to have a catch up period and yield issues are out of the companies hands as it seems each plant may have slightly different problems. equally you would hope the EU will allow PIFZER to honour its contracts to the uk and not intefere or block future supplys. i may be wrong but did the EU with going down the centralized EU wide purchase contract delay things whilst it got its ducks in a row? from the link; "So Europe signed the contract too late, instead of the UK? “I will not pass judgment on this. But I can only tell you the facts and the facts are that we basically signed an agreement with the UK three months before we did have it with Europe. Now, part of this can be easily explained. When we entered the agreement with Oxford, they had already been working with the UK government on this. So they had a head start. We were able to quite quickly take the UK supply chain and improve it. We had to modify the formula in the process, because Oxford gave us a process that needed to be modified to enable manufacturing at scale. Just think about, we've done all of this in months. Usually, it takes years. We got a manufacturing process that Oxford gave us, which was producing a good vaccine, but not at an industrial scale. It was just able to produce quantities for clinical trials. So then we had to modify the process to turn it into a process that could manufacture billions of doses. At a cost that is reasonable and at a speed that is reasonable".
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Post by wakemanender on Jan 27, 2021 11:58:14 GMT 1
Pontesbury medical practice have been sending out invitations to the over 70s this week.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 27, 2021 12:46:30 GMT 1
I gather (from people with far greater understanding of this than me) there's a possible "both right" (well, one right, one half right) scenario. If I understand correctly, the issue is that Oxford didn't think it ethical to put some of their older test subjects at risk by actually risking infecting them with the virus so there is a much more limited amount of data on those in the older age category in the phase 3 trial. The UK regulator, Oxford and AZ themselves made their judgement on the presence of antibodies in older subjects in phase 2 trials combined with efficacy in other age groups in the phase 3 trial and reasoned that it was unlikely that it wouldn't be as effective in over 65s and, given the emergency, approval should be given. AZ certainly aren't claiming a different number, they're just sayimg there's no evidence the 8% is right abd based on everything else it's unlikely to be the case. There seems to be widespread support for this as a course of action but it's also notable that AZ didn't seek FDA approval, essentially on the grounds that the US regulator would want more data and it's possible that this is the issue the EMA (and German Health Ministry) has. Basically a technicality that the UK regulator was willing to overlook given the urgency of the situation. Either way, it seems likely that the actual claim of 8% efficacy in over 65s is nonsensical given technically nobody knows what the number is but also there would be no reason for efficacy to suddenly drop off a cliff the minute someone turns 65 as there is no debate about efficacy in the other age groups.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 12:59:13 GMT 1
I may be wrong but did the EU with going down the centralized EU wide purchase contract delay things whilst it got its ducks in a row? Yeah. As I see it the UK got their approval and order in earlier meaning that AZ/Oxford were already fixing (or indeed had already fixed) the issues (mentioned in the article) in production and in the supply chain in the UK setup by the time the EU got around to submitting their order. It seems the EU now thinks that they should be receiving the amounts they ordered in full because the UK's order is being fulfilled in full. However, from that article the problem is that the AZ/Oxford EU setup is now working on the issues that have already been fixed in the UK setup. And the UK setup is obliged (as agreed contractually) to provide for and deliver to the UK. He is right, people are going to be frustrated and angry but as far as I can see, the EU brought about the delay from switching the process from individual countries or say the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance (Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands) to the EU Commission.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 13:06:29 GMT 1
If I understand correctly, the issue is that Oxford didn't think it ethical to put some of their older test subjects at risk by actually risking infecting them with the virus so there is a much more limited amount of data on those in the older age category in the phase 3 trial. Good post. And yes, the section above is also what I have read this morning. I suppose considering the importance and dependency we are placing on this vaccine such numbers being announced is going to cause headlines and some concern. Hopefully in that last paragraph you have it spot on.👍
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Post by venceremos on Jan 27, 2021 14:00:39 GMT 1
We are in lockdown, but infection rates are still high. It's about time the workplace was monitored for any improvements that could be made. They already are and have been since the start. Some seem to just carry on but all have to be classified ‘Covid safe’ ..... My sister in law works for Land Registry in Telford. They had to work from home during the initial lockdown then when asked to return assessments were made, changes implemented BUT they couldn’t maintain 2 meters safe distance so the decision was made (with union help) to work from home permanently. land Registry weren’t pleased but the employees were and are safe. oh and more productive.... It's a pity the same didn't happen with the DVLA, with its 500 reported cases of Covid-19 and stories of workers having been told to ignore test and trace notifications and even symptoms. I heard that it's assumed in Swansea that anyone working at DVLA will be infectious - anecdotal but appallingly irresponsible mismanagement if true. Not that the Transport Minister would take responsibility for it of course; government ministers aren't responsible for anything any more, they're untouchable.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 27, 2021 14:12:47 GMT 1
I may be wrong but did the EU with going down the centralized EU wide purchase contract delay things whilst it got its ducks in a row? Yeah. As I see it the UK got their approval and order in earlier meaning that AZ/Oxford were already fixing (or indeed had already fixed) the issues (mentioned in the article) in production and in the supply chain in the UK setup by the time the EU got around to submitting their order. It seems the EU now thinks that they should be receiving the amounts they ordered in full because the UK's order is being fulfilled in full. However, from that article the problem is that the AZ/Oxford EU setup is now working on the issues that have already been fixed in the UK setup. And the UK setup is obliged (as agreed contractually) to provide for and deliver to the UK. He is right, people are going to be frustrated and angry but as far as I can see, the EU brought about the delay from switching the process from individual countries or say the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance (Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands) to the EU Commission. thanks for clarifying this, then i assume since the EU cant admit they made a mistake it is easier to blame the drug companies.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 27, 2021 17:22:06 GMT 1
Yeah. As I see it the UK got their approval and order in earlier meaning that AZ/Oxford were already fixing (or indeed had already fixed) the issues (mentioned in the article) in production and in the supply chain in the UK setup by the time the EU got around to submitting their order. It seems the EU now thinks that they should be receiving the amounts they ordered in full because the UK's order is being fulfilled in full. However, from that article the problem is that the AZ/Oxford EU setup is now working on the issues that have already been fixed in the UK setup. And the UK setup is obliged (as agreed contractually) to provide for and deliver to the UK. He is right, people are going to be frustrated and angry but as far as I can see, the EU brought about the delay from switching the process from individual countries or say the Inclusive Vaccines Alliance (Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands) to the EU Commission. thanks for clarifying this, then i assume since the EU cant admit they made a mistake it is easier to blame the drug companies. Yeah, I think that's fair. And from what is being reported now it looks as though the EU are working on new rules which might include the power to block exports. If used then effectively, in order to get out of the mess created, the EU will be jumping the queue if those vaccines are contracted to be delivered to someone other than the EU. However, we wait and see what happens, hopefully it won't need to come to that. Seems to have gone very public this, mind. Calls now for the contact between the EU and AZ to be published.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 27, 2021 18:34:41 GMT 1
thanks for clarifying this, then i assume since the EU cant admit they made a mistake it is easier to blame the drug companies. Yeah, I think that's fair. And from what is being reported now it looks as though the EU are working on new rules which might include the power to block exports. If used then effectively, in order to get out of the mess created, the EU will be jumping the queue if those vaccines are contracted to be delivered to someone other than the EU. However, we wait and see what happens, hopefully it won't need to come to that. Seems to have gone very public this, mind. Calls now for the contact between the EU and AZ to be published. hindsight is a wonderfull thing but this could have been handled very differnetly with less finger pointing and we would not be viewing this unfold in the way it is.i really hope the EU dont block exports that have already been contractualy agreed with various countrys as this will lead to diplomatic problems with a number of countrys not just just britain.
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:48:30 GMT 1
My mum has been offered the jab ! Must be one of the last over 80s according to what I'm seeing - have to go to Telford though. Does anyone know if it is worth waiting 'til the Shrewsbury site opens ?
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