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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Jan 2, 2021 12:32:14 GMT 1
So let’s be honest...SC is a rubber stamped nomination when they are revealed next week.
Question is if he wins do we all believe it’s a curse and a poisoned chalice or just a great recognition of what he’s done since coming in?
Personally I’d like to see Whalley or Norburn recognised in the player category but possibly unlikely.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 2, 2021 12:43:44 GMT 1
So let’s be honest...SC is a rubber stamped nomination when they are revealed next week. Question is if he wins do we all believe it’s a curse and a poisoned chalice or just a great recognition of what he’s done since coming in? Personally I’d like to see Whalley or Norburn recognised in the player category but possibly unlikely. The 'curse' is nothing other than the law of averages, that says that the longer you go unbeaten the more likely it is that you'll lose the next game. Bring it on I say, and of course we'll lose soon enough, but that won't be because of or despite any awards. But agree that Whalley surely deserved a nomination as well.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 12:52:25 GMT 1
So let’s be honest...SC is a rubber stamped nomination when they are revealed next week. Question is if he wins do we all believe it’s a curse and a poisoned chalice or just a great recognition of what he’s done since coming in? Personally I’d like to see Whalley or Norburn recognised in the player category but possibly unlikely. if a player should be nominated it has to be sarkik
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 2, 2021 14:09:03 GMT 1
Did anyone ever dream the club may be in contention for Manager of the Month award any month this season........just throw that comment in 😉
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 14:20:08 GMT 1
Did anyone ever dream the club may be in contention for Manager of the Month award any month this season........just throw that comment in 😉 we only lost once in november due to a dodgy injury time goalkeeper flap, if sarkik had been fit ricketts might be picking up the award for the 2nd month running
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 2, 2021 14:26:41 GMT 1
Did anyone ever dream the club may be in contention for Manager of the Month award any month this season........just throw that comment in 😉 we only lost once in november due to a dodgy injury time goalkeeper flap, if sarkik had been fit ricketts might be picking up the award for the 2nd month running 😃😃😃You didnt let me down did you ?😃😃😃 "Just throw that comment in" was just for you to react to. It took less that 10 mins. At least you are on the ball, well done.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 2, 2021 14:44:11 GMT 1
Would be amazed if he doesn't win it.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jan 2, 2021 16:29:26 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 16:34:42 GMT 1
we only lost once in november due to a dodgy injury time goalkeeper flap, if sarkik had been fit ricketts might be picking up the award for the 2nd month running 😃😃😃You didnt let me down did you ?😃😃😃 "Just throw that comment in" was just for you to react to. It took less that 10 mins. At least you are on the ball, well done. pal i know exactly what you did so i thought i'd reply to amuse you , hope it helped i know exactly how certain people work on this board, in fact not too very long ago we had a thread about the death of an ex liverpool manager and i just sensed a couple were itching for me to tell one of the jokes going round about it so they could publically lynch me so much so the same evening one of the suspects out of character started a thread inviting jokes to be told the lengths some people will go to
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 2, 2021 16:44:43 GMT 1
😃😃😃You didnt let me down did you ?😃😃😃 "Just throw that comment in" was just for you to react to. It took less that 10 mins. At least you are on the ball, well done. pal i know exactly what you did so i thought i'd reply to amuse you , hope it helped i know exactly how certain people work on this board, in fact not too very long ago we had a thread about the death of an ex liverpool manager and i just sensed a couple were itching for me to tell one of the jokes going round about it so they could publically lynch me so much so the same evening one of the suspects out of character started a thread inviting jokes to be told the lengths some people will go to It’s like the first bite wasn’t enough... Massive chomp that SC for MOTM
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 16:54:13 GMT 1
pal i know exactly what you did so i thought i'd reply to amuse you , hope it helped i know exactly how certain people work on this board, in fact not too very long ago we had a thread about the death of an ex liverpool manager and i just sensed a couple were itching for me to tell one of the jokes going round about it so they could publically lynch me so much so the same evening one of the suspects out of character started a thread inviting jokes to be told the lengths some people will go to It’s like the first bite wasn’t enough... Massive chomp that SC for MOTM i can play this game wow i got a bite and it only took 10 minutes zzzzzzzzzz
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Post by returnofthehype on Jan 2, 2021 17:04:56 GMT 1
It’s like the first bite wasn’t enough... Massive chomp that SC for MOTM i can play this game wow i got a bite and it only took 10 minutes zzzzzzzzzz Stardate 2021...The world (board) Vs Pilch episode 1773
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 2, 2021 17:18:55 GMT 1
😃😃😃You didnt let me down did you ?😃😃😃 "Just throw that comment in" was just for you to react to. It took less that 10 mins. At least you are on the ball, well done. pal i know exactly what you did so i thought i'd reply to amuse you , hope it helped i know exactly how certain people work on this board, in fact not too very long ago we had a thread about the death of an ex liverpool manager and i just sensed a couple were itching for me to tell one of the jokes going round about it so they could publically lynch me so much so the same evening one of the suspects out of character started a thread inviting jokes to be told the lengths some people will go to You could’ve just said Rest in Peace? Back on topic, the manager of the month ‘curse’ is utter b******s, and the award itself counts for little.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 17:20:56 GMT 1
i can play this game wow i got a bite and it only took 10 minutes zzzzzzzzzz Stardate 2021...The world (board) Vs Pilch episode 1773 stardate 2004 episode 2, return of the hype, A no hope ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 2, 2021 20:17:24 GMT 1
Did anyone ever dream the club may be in contention for Manager of the Month award any month this season........just throw that comment in 😉 we only lost once in november due to a dodgy injury time goalkeeper flap, if sarkik had been fit ricketts might be picking up the award for the 2nd month running Sam was dealt a very cool hand. So much of what he did was good, but no luck. His major fault, a lack of nouse during the game. to switch things around. Before his next appointment he should watch all the games where Steve has made in game changes. Though the comparison is with probably the best hit the ground running manager we have ever had.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 21:33:59 GMT 1
we only lost once in november due to a dodgy injury time goalkeeper flap, if sarkik had been fit ricketts might be picking up the award for the 2nd month running Sam was dealt a very cool hand. So much of what he did was good, but no luck. His major fault, a lack of nouse during the game. to switch things around. Before his next appointment he should watch all the games where Steve has made in game changes. Though the comparison is with probably the best hit the ground running manager we have ever had. every tactical change that ricketts ever did got ripped to shreds instantly, from the bizarre taking a forward off and putting a defender on whilst 2-0 down at stoke to starting with no forwards at MKD in his last game, he was on a loser from day 1 because of a combination or not being hurst or coyne to coming from wrexham, he didnt have a chance, as i hinted the other day , not one person has dared to question golbourne appearing to be left winger last week, no one has started a thread demanding to know why pugh isnt playing, no one has mentioned the possible right back problem, the good thing about that is we are behind the manager like we always should have been, had we been that way right from the start of ricketts than maybe things might have been different, the same happened to askey, maybe even worse with him, looking back at hurst, no one really got behind him early on, well not until he won a few games running, like i've always said, to be a town manager the is only one qualification required, its not goals, entertainment or attacking football, its a 1 goal win ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 2, 2021 21:43:58 GMT 1
Sam was dealt a very cool hand. So much of what he did was good, but no luck. His major fault, a lack of nouse during the game. to switch things around. Before his next appointment he should watch all the games where Steve has made in game changes. Though the comparison is with probably the best hit the ground running manager we have ever had. every tactical change that ricketts ever did got ripped to shreds instantly, from the bizarre taking a forward off and putting a defender on whilst 2-0 down at stoke to starting with no forwards at MKD in his last game, he was on a loser from day 1 because of a combination or not being hurst or coyne to coming from wrexham, he didnt have a chance, as i hinted the other day , not one person has dared to question golbourne appearing to be left winger last week, no one has started a thread demanding to know why pugh isnt playing, no one has mentioned the possible right back problem, the good thing about that is we are behind the manager like we always should have been, had we been that way right from the start of ricketts than maybe things might have been different, the same happened to askey, maybe even worse with him, looking back at hurst, no one really got behind him early on, well not until he won a few games running, like i've always said, to be a town manager the is only one qualification required, its not goals, entertainment or attacking football, its a 1 goal win ;-) All the same. though, I hope Sam watches and learns what a different puppetmaster can do with his team. I hope and expect that Sam will find success as a manager.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 2, 2021 22:21:20 GMT 1
Sam was dealt a very cool hand. So much of what he did was good, but no luck. His major fault, a lack of nouse during the game. to switch things around. Before his next appointment he should watch all the games where Steve has made in game changes. Though the comparison is with probably the best hit the ground running manager we have ever had. every tactical change that ricketts ever did got ripped to shreds instantly, from the bizarre taking a forward off and putting a defender on whilst 2-0 down at stoke to starting with no forwards at MKD in his last game, he was on a loser from day 1 because of a combination or not being hurst or coyne to coming from wrexham, he didnt have a chance, as i hinted the other day , not one person has dared to question golbourne appearing to be left winger last week, no one has started a thread demanding to know why pugh isnt playing, no one has mentioned the possible right back problem, the good thing about that is we are behind the manager like we always should have been, had we been that way right from the start of ricketts than maybe things might have been different, the same happened to askey, maybe even worse with him, looking back at hurst, no one really got behind him early on, well not until he won a few games running, like i've always said, to be a town manager the is only one qualification required, its not goals, entertainment or attacking football, its a 1 goal win ;-) I actually think Ricketts didnt help himself very much by not actually winning games on a regular basis tbh but hey ho......... Hurst on the other hand (until his last month or so), and Cotterill so far have proved without doubt that winning games is the important thing in the life of football clubs and supporters and they will back a winning manager. I desperately wanted Ricketts to stay and turn the corner, but the club just couldn't wait any longer before it happened.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 2, 2021 22:27:37 GMT 1
Why would you question bringing Golbourne on as a left winger when you’re defending a one goal lead and into the 5 minutes?
Why would you question lack of Mark Pugh when the players that are being selected over him are doing the job?
They’re the sort of questions that would be asked if we hadn’t turned the corner, but there’s many ways to skin a cat, as long as it does get skinned most will be happy.
Similarly, nobody seems to care that SC doesn’t applaud the fans after every game, when Sam did it win draw or lose, fans used it as an opportunity to yell abuse at him, and when Askey didn’t do it at all it was seen as a disgrace.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 23:28:50 GMT 1
Why would you question bringing Golbourne on as a left winger when you’re defending a one goal lead and into the 5 minutes? Why would you question lack of Mark Pugh when the players that are being selected over him are doing the job? They’re the sort of questions that would be asked if we hadn’t turned the corner, but there’s many ways to skin a cat, as long as it does get skinned most will be happy. Similarly, nobody seems to care that SC doesn’t applaud the fans after every game, when Sam did it win draw or lose, fans used it as an opportunity to yell abuse at him, and when Askey didn’t do it at all it was seen as a disgrace. i almost forgot, sitting back and defending a 1 goal lead is only acceptable if you win i just glad ricketts didnt pop golbourn on the wing, i'm not sure if i could have defended him
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 2, 2021 23:34:24 GMT 1
Why would you question bringing Golbourne on as a left winger when you’re defending a one goal lead and into the 5 minutes? Why would you question lack of Mark Pugh when the players that are being selected over him are doing the job? They’re the sort of questions that would be asked if we hadn’t turned the corner, but there’s many ways to skin a cat, as long as it does get skinned most will be happy. Similarly, nobody seems to care that SC doesn’t applaud the fans after every game, when Sam did it win draw or lose, fans used it as an opportunity to yell abuse at him, and when Askey didn’t do it at all it was seen as a disgrace. i almost forgot, sitting back and defending a 1 goal lead is only acceptable if you win i just glad ricketts didnt pop golbourn on the wing, i'm not sure if i could have defended him It’s almost like an experienced manager of over 20 years in management might actually know what he’s doing right?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 2, 2021 23:47:14 GMT 1
i almost forgot, sitting back and defending a 1 goal lead is only acceptable if you win i just glad ricketts didnt pop golbourn on the wing, i'm not sure if i could have defended him It’s almost like an experienced manager of over 20 years in management might actually know what he’s doing right? you may well be right and i hope you are , all im doing is having fun reminding some of our more fickle fans that some of the things they previously found totally unacceptable still happen ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 0:30:41 GMT 1
Pilch, the fickleness is not far away, just look at reaction of the Wigan result
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Post by Pilch on Jan 3, 2021 0:49:26 GMT 1
Pilch, the fickleness is not far away, just look at reaction of the Wigan result you should have been at the lincoln cup game, i thought cotterill was going to be dumped in the river severn and sent floating back to bristol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 9:23:38 GMT 1
Pilch, you can try and claim to be this sole voice of reason but we all know football fans are fickle, this is nothing new and nothing exclusive to Shrewsbury.
You are right that things happen under Cotterill which go unnoticed but Ricketts would have been crucified for. As I've explained to you on several occasions, this is known as a honeymoon period where the new manager receives goodwill, the fact that Cotterill has come in and turned results around means there will be buckets of goodwill and lots of mistakes/questionable decisions will be overlooked by fans (for now). I know you claim everyone had it in for Ricketts from day 1 but that is utter nonsense, there were a minority but the majority supported him. But crucially with him we didn't have an instant improvement so therefore he didn't get the same messiah like reaction as what Cotterill is getting.
There will come a time when results aren't great and sadly there will be fans who quickly turn, its a nature of the game/supporters that I really don't like. And when that time comes, all those things that are currently being ignored/overlooked or even praised by fans will now be picked up and criticised. Why is he starting one up front? Why bring on a left back? Why not start the ex Premiership player? And then they will pick up on ridiculous things like whether he is vocal on the bench, applauds the fans, the way he is with Stuart Dunn etc. Initially it will be a minority of fans and the majority will defend thr manager, however the longer the poor run goes, the more fans will 'change sides'. We know all this because it happens with every manager
As for the entertainment versus success debate, it's been done and we know fans want success, ideally they would want both. I always remember under Peters people were complaining about the style of football we were playing at the end, he said himself the style hadn't changed, but the results had. That could well happen with us as we are having great results at the moment but not exactly playing free flowing, easy on the eye football. But alas, the results are going our way so that can be overlooked.
But the thing with Ricketts is we had neither so the debate was irrelevant anyway.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jan 3, 2021 9:55:35 GMT 1
Whoa if that was posted a few days ago that would be post of the year.
Problem is, Pilch just caught the biggest fish there is.
Congrats all round
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 10:11:57 GMT 1
Whoa if that was posted a few days ago that would be post of the year. Problem is, Pilch just caught the biggest fish there is. Congrats all round I nearly nibbled on a few posts over the last few days but managed to escape. Its ok though, I'll put it down to 'lockdown' boredom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 10:26:32 GMT 1
There is only two people who have won this as Shrewsbury managers since 2004, that's Graham Turner and Paul Hurst. I for one think that if he does win the award its good exposure for the club, bit like I say to the Mrs good exposure, for our club even if its a 30 second mention on the national radio/TV station its a good thing.
"i almost forgot, sitting back and defending a 1 goal lead is only acceptable if you win"
if that is the case it looks like this wins you manager of the month then i am sure most managers would take this all day long. Football/Humans fans are very fickle, its like anything people change there minds very quickly, do I dare mention Brexit or the Tory government? People like to moan its human nature, there is always something to moan about, this will pass in a months when people find something else to moan about.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 3, 2021 10:30:50 GMT 1
There’s also a difference to trying to defend a one goal lead against an in form team, who’ve just made a quadruple substitution and were already starting to get on top, and scoring in the first ten minutes against a bottom half team and inviting pressure for the rest of the game.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 3, 2021 12:35:13 GMT 1
There’s also a difference to trying to defend a one goal lead against an in form team, who’ve just made a quadruple substitution and were already starting to get on top, and scoring in the first ten minutes against a bottom half team and inviting pressure for the rest of the game. yeah, if you win
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