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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 16:02:15 GMT 1
Same old England....it's like jobs for the boys... Bairstow straight in despite no red ball cricket this summer. Yes, let’s just drop proven world class players because they’ve not bothered to play a few meaningless matches against first class trundlers and pie-throwers. Spot on once again from the selectors and it’s already paid off not just in spadefuls but in JCB-fuls. I could comment but I wont 😅 I will leave Michael Vaughan to have the final say!
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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2022 16:24:50 GMT 1
It was wonderful to watch a Test Match with not a single dressed up idiot in evidence. No rowdy behaviour, chanting or Mexican waves. No beer snakes to be seen. A proper well behaved Test Match crowd which was very much a throwback to the past. Perhaps charging £100 for tickets does have its benefits. I'm sure there are other people who share a similar view but they are an ever reducing minority and frankly cricket will not survive if this were to become the normal again (not that it will). Headingley at least restricts fancy dress devotees to certain designated areas. Though I remember in either the late 60's or early 70's they refused admission to such characters. "Fancy dress (including headgear), novelty, branded or promotional clothing is not permitted at the Headingley Cricket Ground with the exceptions of sections A&B (Fanzone) of the Western Terrace. However, any fancy dress which could be deemed liable to cause offence to any other supporters will not be permitted inside the Ground".
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 4, 2022 19:27:06 GMT 1
Yes, let’s just drop proven world class players because they’ve not bothered to play a few meaningless matches against first class trundlers and pie-throwers. Spot on once again from the selectors and it’s already paid off not just in spadefuls but in JCB-fuls. I could comment but I wont 😅 I will leave Michael Vaughan to have the final say! I think Bairstow has done enough this match to merit his place; likely scored more runs than a ‘high flyer’ from the County Championship would have, plus his fantastic catches plus world class dressing room intangibles. Anyway, a satisfying days play. England literally can’t lose now. Either we chase down a formidable total and claim a deserved victory or a freak event happens and we get skittled out and claim a moral victory anyway. Here’s hoping it’s the former, I expect only you, I and northwestman on this thread would be truly happy if so. The others will either be downright dejected or preferring to focus on shortcomings in victory.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 4, 2022 19:44:40 GMT 1
It was wonderful to watch a Test Match with not a single dressed up idiot in evidence. No rowdy behaviour, chanting or Mexican waves. No beer snakes to be seen. A proper well behaved Test Match crowd which was very much a throwback to the past. Perhaps charging £100 for tickets does have its benefits. To charge £100 per ticket is not acceptable given the poor standards of cricket on show. On a pitch that is relatively tame we have been served up some very below par batting from 2 so called international teams. Albeit entertaining for those who like to see wickets regularly tumbling, the graceful art of batting leaves alot to be desired, so not worth half that amount in my opinion.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 5, 2022 9:08:03 GMT 1
Weather forecast for today isn't great, but they should get enough play in the afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 11:33:40 GMT 1
Weather forecast for today isn't great, but they should get enough play in the afternoon. Weather holding up and so far so good....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 11:58:41 GMT 1
CONGRATULATIONS to Joe Root, 10,000 test runs and another test century to boot (26 in total).
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 5, 2022 12:10:57 GMT 1
A simply stunning win. Let us not forget this is the third best test side in the world we’re talking about here.
Superb, just superb. I look forward to seeing others delight in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 15:28:45 GMT 1
Well done England, never easy chasing on final innings but the assured and unbroken partnership between Root and Foakes proved to be a match winner.
Excellent start to the summer.
Next stop, Trent Bridge.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 5, 2022 16:23:11 GMT 1
A special congratulations to Ben Foakes. Had he got out earlier, a tail of Potts, Broad, Anderson and Parkinson doesn't inspire much confidence.
England can't continue to get away with such a long tail. Assuming Potts, Broad and Anderson are pencilled in for Trent Bridge, their number 8 needs to be a spinner who can bat. Moeen Ali is the obvious selection so long as he can be persuaded to return to red ball cricket. But if not, even Leach or Bess are a better bet than Parkinson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 16:36:28 GMT 1
A special congratulations to Ben Foakes. Had he got out earlier, a tail of Potts, Broad, Anderson and Parkinson doesn't inspire much confidence. England can't continue to get away with such a long tail. Assuming Potts, Broad and Anderson are pencilled in for Trent Bridge, their number 8 needs to be a spinner who can bat. Moeen Ali is the obvious selection so long as he can be persuaded to return to red ball cricket. But if not, even Leach or Bess are a better bet than Parkinson. From the BBC: "Leach will now undergo a "graduated return to play" over a minimum seven-day period, meaning he is a doubt to be fit for the second Test at Trent Bridge, starting next Friday".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 17:17:20 GMT 1
A special congratulations to Ben Foakes. Had he got out earlier, a tail of Potts, Broad, Anderson and Parkinson doesn't inspire much confidence. England can't continue to get away with such a long tail. Assuming Potts, Broad and Anderson are pencilled in for Trent Bridge, their number 8 needs to be a spinner who can bat. Moeen Ali is the obvious selection so long as he can be persuaded to return to red ball cricket. But if not, even Leach or Bess are a better bet than Parkinson. That number 8 position is indeed a problem but it also comes down to the fact that our top order is not exactly pulling up trees.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:26:30 GMT 1
I'm sure there are other people who share a similar view but they are an ever reducing minority and frankly cricket will not survive if this were to become the normal again (not that it will). Headingley at least restricts fancy dress devotees to certain designated areas. Though I remember in either the late 60's or early 70's they refused admission to such characters. "Fancy dress (including headgear), novelty, branded or promotional clothing is not permitted at the Headingley Cricket Ground with the exceptions of sections A&B (Fanzone) of the Western Terrace. However, any fancy dress which could be deemed liable to cause offence to any other supporters will not be permitted inside the Ground". I can understand why some elements of the modern day are not popular with some fans/traditionalists, it's the same as other sports who have modernised/sold out (depending on your point of view) to appeal to fans. My view is test cricket should always be the pinnacle but I'm certainly not in the camp that the fans should sit in silence apart from a ripple of applause for a decent drive through the covers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 20:28:42 GMT 1
Anyway, it was an excellent win, although from a batting sense we are still very reliant on Root & Stokes. Bowling wise, it was pleasing to see us bowl them out twice when you consider how many bowlers we are missing.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 5, 2022 22:04:58 GMT 1
Was working at the Warickshire v Notts T20 game today. Turned into an 8 over aside game. Good entertainment. Anyway, Carlos Braithwaite was in for home team with an over left and then just trotted of the pitch. Thought he must have pulled a hammy but then wicket column ticks over. Seems he retired himself out. He wasn't seeing the ball that well so effectively gave up. Never seen it before in a competitive match. In Notts innings they need 3 runs of the last ball and ex England player Patel does exactly the same, just trots off. Retired out and let's someone come on who is a faster runner. So two in one game. For me that's simply not cricket.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 11:49:06 GMT 1
Was working at the Warickshire v Notts T20 game today. Turned into an 8 over aside game. Good entertainment. Anyway, Carlos Braithwaite was in for home team with an over left and then just trotted of the pitch. Thought he must have pulled a hammy but then wicket column ticks over. Seems he retired himself out. He wasn't seeing the ball that well so effectively gave up. Never seen it before in a competitive match. In Notts innings they need 3 runs of the last ball and ex England player Patel does exactly the same, just trots off. Retired out and let's someone come on who is a faster runner. So two in one game. For me that's simply not cricket. It happened in the IPL too... timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ipl-2022-explained-r-ashwins-sensational-retired-out-decision-heres-what-the-rules-say/articleshow/90776202.cmsand the laws of cricket allow it!
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Post by supermac11 on Jun 6, 2022 12:11:14 GMT 1
enjoyable though it was, I'm not sure that match told us very much we don't already know. Root is an all time great, Anderson and Broad are still top notch in English conditions and Stokes is crucial to the team. However, four of our main batsman still don't look up to test standard. I really hope that Foakes can kick on from here.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 6, 2022 12:57:46 GMT 1
enjoyable though it was, I'm not sure that match told us very much we don't already know. Root is an all time great, Anderson and Broad are still top notch in English conditions and Stokes is crucial to the team. However, four of our main batsman still don't look up to test standard. I really hope that Foakes can kick on from here. Absolutely spot-on, and the batting remains the main, though far from only, problem; given the absence of Archer, Woakes and Wood, and now probably Leach, from our bowling attack, the fact that NZ were bowled out twice is a glimmer of hope, but oh that tail....I agree that somehow Moeen needs to have another try at Test Match cricket, both to give a bit of balance to the attack, and to shorten that tail....
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Post by supermac11 on Jun 6, 2022 13:28:45 GMT 1
enjoyable though it was, I'm not sure that match told us very much we don't already know. Root is an all time great, Anderson and Broad are still top notch in English conditions and Stokes is crucial to the team. However, four of our main batsman still don't look up to test standard. I really hope that Foakes can kick on from here. Absolutely spot-on, and the batting remains the main, though far from only, problem; given the absence of Archer, Woakes and Wood, and now probably Leach, from our bowling attack, the fact that NZ were bowled out twice is a glimmer of hope, but oh that tail....I agree that somehow Moeen needs to have another try at Test Match cricket, both to give a bit of balance to the attack, and to shorten that tail.... Of course we're back to trying to pick bowlers for their batting ability to make up for the failures of the top order again. The only name I'll throw out as possible all round spinner is Liam Patterson-White but it's probably too early for him. Other than that do you pick a batsman who can fiddle a few overs of spin e.g. Liam Livingstone (but suspect his red ball days are behind him which is a pity).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 13:58:09 GMT 1
enjoyable though it was, I'm not sure that match told us very much we don't already know. Root is an all time great, Anderson and Broad are still top notch in English conditions and Stokes is crucial to the team. However, four of our main batsman still don't look up to test standard. I really hope that Foakes can kick on from here. Encouraging debut from Matty Potts too. Harry Brook must come into the reckoning too in terms of our batting line up.
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 6, 2022 17:51:37 GMT 1
Absolutely spot-on, and the batting remains the main, though far from only, problem; given the absence of Archer, Woakes and Wood, and now probably Leach, from our bowling attack, the fact that NZ were bowled out twice is a glimmer of hope, but oh that tail....I agree that somehow Moeen needs to have another try at Test Match cricket, both to give a bit of balance to the attack, and to shorten that tail.... Of course we're back to trying to pick bowlers for their batting ability to make up for the failures of the top order again. The only name I'll throw out as possible all round spinner is Liam Patterson-White but it's probably too early for him. Other than that do you pick a batsman who can fiddle a few overs of spin e.g. Liam Livingstone (but suspect his red ball days are behind him which is a pity). Nothing new in that approach.... it goes back decades - I well remember the days when Jim Parkes was selected above better specialist keepers purely on the strength of his batting; yes, I know it was 50+ years ago, but the same principle was being applied: I think it was only once a proper opening bat (Mr G.Boycott) came along that things improved.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 6, 2022 23:06:37 GMT 1
Headingley at least restricts fancy dress devotees to certain designated areas. Though I remember in either the late 60's or early 70's they refused admission to such characters. "Fancy dress (including headgear), novelty, branded or promotional clothing is not permitted at the Headingley Cricket Ground with the exceptions of sections A&B (Fanzone) of the Western Terrace. However, any fancy dress which could be deemed liable to cause offence to any other supporters will not be permitted inside the Ground". I can understand why some elements of the modern day are not popular with some fans/traditionalists, it's the same as other sports who have modernised/sold out (depending on your point of view) to appeal to fans. My view is test cricket should always be the pinnacle but I'm certainly not in the camp that the fans should sit in silence apart from a ripple of applause for a decent drive through the covers. Isn't this the sort of atmosphere some posters on here would prefer at the MWM, perhaps with a pre approved song sheet handed out prior to the game?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 7, 2022 19:37:26 GMT 1
I can understand why some elements of the modern day are not popular with some fans/traditionalists, it's the same as other sports who have modernised/sold out (depending on your point of view) to appeal to fans. My view is test cricket should always be the pinnacle but I'm certainly not in the camp that the fans should sit in silence apart from a ripple of applause for a decent drive through the covers. Isn't this the sort of atmosphere some posters on here would prefer at the MWM, perhaps with a pre approved song sheet handed out prior to the game? Not quite, but I've always been of the opinion that drums should be banned.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 7, 2022 20:04:09 GMT 1
Isn't this the sort of atmosphere some posters on here would prefer at the MWM, perhaps with a pre approved song sheet handed out prior to the game? Not quite, but I've always been of the opinion that drums should be banned. I don't mind the drum when it drowns out the constant ill informed shouts of "get it forward" usually shouted regardless of where the players are on the pitch, and then start moaning when we lose possession, you can't make it up sometimes.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 7, 2022 21:30:50 GMT 1
Anyway we are digressing away from the cricket thread here so I will shut up
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 7, 2022 21:55:59 GMT 1
Great to have some atmosphere at the cricket. Lords is sterile and for the elite, not the working man. Whilst it’s a must go to as a cricket fan, I certainly won’t rush back. Give me raucous Hollies stand any day
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jun 8, 2022 19:22:11 GMT 1
For those on the thread calling for the return of Keaton Jennings, he just made a nice 40-something in the T20 Blast. I’m personally not convinced by him at Test level but I know he has his fans on here.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 10, 2022 12:38:43 GMT 1
New Zealand fightback like World No.1, because they are.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 10, 2022 12:43:53 GMT 1
New Zealand fightback like World No.1, because they are. Hahahahahaha keep qiuet
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