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Post by AlisonS on Nov 5, 2021 17:34:32 GMT 1
Yorkshire would throw Headingley's cat under the bus if it meant getting back their Tests, 1 day internationals, the Hundred and their sponsors. I expect Gary Ballance to be sacked. Vaughans media career looks over as well Well that would be a silver lining...
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 5, 2021 20:03:53 GMT 1
Vaughans media career looks over as well Well that would be a silver lining... I am not sure at all about the Michael Vaughan aspect; I think that the BBC statement said "We take all such ALLEGATIONS seriously...." So, it seems that in this crazy world, anyone can be sacked/suspended or otherwise disciplined for being the subject of ALLEGATIONS....what on earth happened to innocent until proven guilty? A totally disgraceful action on the part of Auntie!
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 5, 2021 20:20:03 GMT 1
Well that would be a silver lining... I am not sure at all about the Michael Vaughan aspect; I think that the BBC statement said "We take all such ALLEGATIONS seriously...." So, it seems that in this crazy world, anyone can be sacked/suspended or otherwise disciplined for being the subject of ALLEGATIONS....what on earth happened to innocent until proven guilty? A totally disgraceful action on the part of Auntie! Surely investigating allegations involves suspending, on full pay no doubt, until the allegations have been investigated. Isn't that the right and proper way to proceed?
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 5, 2021 20:33:49 GMT 1
I am not sure at all about the Michael Vaughan aspect; I think that the BBC statement said "We take all such ALLEGATIONS seriously...." So, it seems that in this crazy world, anyone can be sacked/suspended or otherwise disciplined for being the subject of ALLEGATIONS....what on earth happened to innocent until proven guilty? A totally disgraceful action on the part of Auntie! Surely investigating allegations involves suspending, on full pay no doubt, until the allegations have been investigated. Isn't that the right and proper way to proceed?
Such may, or may not be, the case, but to what investigation and WHOSE investigation do you refer?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2021 20:52:09 GMT 1
The BBC said in a statement:
“(We) take any allegations of racism extremely seriously. The allegation against Michael Vaughan pre-dates his time working for the BBC, we were not part of the investigation conducted by Yorkshire County Cricket Club and we have had no access to the subsequent report.”
“However, we were made aware of a single allegation which Michael strongly denies and we have been monitoring the situation closely.”
“We have made the editorial decision that Michael won’t appear as a presenter on 5 Live’s Tuffers and Vaughan Show on Monday.”
So at the moment he is missing one show next Monday.
To say therefore that "...anyone can be sacked/suspended or otherwise disciplined for being the subject of ALLEGATIONS....what on earth happened to innocent until proven guilty..."
Is somewhat premature.
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Post by servernaside on Nov 6, 2021 1:01:21 GMT 1
From what I can gather from this momentous world event which the BBC seems to think is more important than COP26, Covid and the economy combined, it seems that some Yorkshire cricketers referred to Azeem Rafiq as a 'Paki'. This term, as most of us know, is a foreshortening of the word 'Pakistani' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Pakistan in the Asian sub-continent.
When many of us are called 'Brits' by some foreigners, a foreshortening of the world 'British' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Great Britain, a nation in Europe, I suppose we should now consider this as racist abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 11:53:37 GMT 1
From what I can gather from this momentous world event which the BBC seems to think is more important than COP26, Covid and the economy combined, it seems that some Yorkshire cricketers referred to Azeem Rafiq as a 'Paki'. This term, as most of us know, is a foreshortening of the word 'Pakistani' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Pakistan in the Asian sub-continent. When many of us are called 'Brits' by some foreigners, a foreshortening of the world 'British' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Great Britain, a nation in Europe, I suppose we should now consider this as racist abuse. It is so disappointing to read such a post, that in all honesty belongs back in the 70s. Clearly yourself and certain elements of Yorkshire CCC sadly still belong in that era. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59186071
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Post by servernaside on Nov 6, 2021 11:55:52 GMT 1
From what I can gather from this momentous world event which the BBC seems to think is more important than COP26, Covid and the economy combined, it seems that some Yorkshire cricketers referred to Azeem Rafiq as a 'Paki'. This term, as most of us know, is a foreshortening of the word 'Pakistani' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Pakistan in the Asian sub-continent. When many of us are called 'Brits' by some foreigners, a foreshortening of the world 'British' which refers to someone who lives in, or originated from the nation of Great Britain, a nation in Europe, I suppose we should now consider this as racist abuse. It is so disappointing to read such a post, that in all honesty belongs back in the 70s. Clearly yourself and certain elements of Yorkshire CCC sadly still belong in that era. I find your post equally disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 12:00:24 GMT 1
It is so disappointing to read such a post, that in all honesty belongs back in the 70s. Clearly yourself and certain elements of Yorkshire CCC sadly still belong in that era. I find your post equally disappointing. Perhaps you should take time out to read the latest on this sorry saga.... If you think that what has taken place is acceptable then I pity you. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59186071
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Post by servernaside on Nov 6, 2021 12:13:24 GMT 1
My earlier comment merely referred to use of the term 'Paki'
Other issues of abuse mentioned in the article are of course unacceptable, whether racially motivated or not.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 6, 2021 20:21:44 GMT 1
England lose by 10 runs to S.A. but qualify for semi finals.
Roy injured and out of tournament.
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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 6, 2021 20:54:22 GMT 1
Bairstow will open batting with buttler now
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Post by northwestman on Nov 6, 2021 20:59:30 GMT 1
Bairstow will open batting with buttler now Yes, and Billings to be brought into the middle order.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Nov 6, 2021 20:59:54 GMT 1
I find your post equally disappointing. Perhaps you should take time out to read the latest on this sorry saga.... If you think that what has taken place is acceptable then I pity you. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59186071Keep fighting the good fight, sir. I saw on another thread that you were attending a house warming party this weekend. I hope it was / is a splendid do and a good time had by all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 22:37:22 GMT 1
Keep fighting the good fight, sir. I saw on another thread that you were attending a house warming party this weekend. I hope it was / is a splendid do and a good time had by all. We have all had a very enjoyable time, thank you 😊
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Post by northwestman on Nov 10, 2021 18:54:07 GMT 1
Appalling 17th over by Jordan opened the door for NZ. 23 runs conceded with 2 wides.
Rashid then goes for 14 and Woakes for 20, and NZ win by 5 wickets with an over to spare.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 19:49:45 GMT 1
Appalling 17th over by Jordan opened the door for NZ. 23 runs conceded with 2 wides. Rashid then goes for 14 and Woakes for 20, and NZ win by 5 wickets with an over to spare. Ah well, back to the proper cricket and the Ashes to come
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Post by northwestman on Nov 10, 2021 20:12:22 GMT 1
Appalling 17th over by Jordan opened the door for NZ. 23 runs conceded with 2 wides. Rashid then goes for 14 and Woakes for 20, and NZ win by 5 wickets with an over to spare. Ah well, back to the proper cricket and the Ashes to come Yes, but alas I don't have BT Sport, so it will have to be listening to TMS.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Nov 10, 2021 20:17:29 GMT 1
Well, the bowlers certainly bottled the last three overs !! But then again NZ are a very good side in all formats & don't get the recognition they deserve. Roll on the Ashes. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 20:51:04 GMT 1
India might have the IPL and now we have the 100 but neither team will be in the final.
NZ are indeed a very good side, they don't always get the credit and respect they deserve, for example they warrant a 5 test series against us but the powers that be wont have it.
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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 10, 2021 22:29:16 GMT 1
Can't understand why jordan bowls at the 'death', can't ever remember him doing much, can someone tell me different???
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Nov 12, 2021 8:28:10 GMT 1
Not a massive fan of shorter format but I have to admit that those were two cracking semi finals. As for the death bowling.... It isn't just Jordan is it. All of them get a pasting from time to time. No matter what they bowl the batsmen have become so good that they will all get punished. As the pro's on TV said, both the best batters & bowlers get very nervy on these big occasions when the entire outcome for the team is on their shoulders.
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Post by Dancin on Nov 15, 2021 12:29:19 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Nov 15, 2021 12:56:04 GMT 1
Well, that's Vaughan's career finished then. That's 3 Asian players who heard the remark, and Rashid's testimony will surely tip the balance. And talking about tipping the Bal(l)ance, can't see him remaining at Yorkshire, though amazingly they recently gave him a new 3 year contract whilst being fully aware of the remarks he made. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/yorkshire-ballance-rafiq-hutton-racism-25391002
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Post by Dancin on Nov 15, 2021 13:07:42 GMT 1
Well, that's Vaughan's career finished then. That's 3 Asian players who heard the remark, and Rashid's testimony will surely tip the balance. That's what I thought I bet Tuffers is miffed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 13:16:44 GMT 1
And the Parliamentary Select Committee to come...
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 15, 2021 14:10:21 GMT 1
I would be surprised if Yorkshire was the only county where this sort of ‘banter’ occurred.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 15:17:21 GMT 1
The claim against Vaughan (comment of 'too many of you lot') is an interesting one because he mentions this game (v Notts) in his autobiography as he stated it was the first time Yorkshire had featured 4 players of Asian heritage and was a sign of things to come, but this was a positive comment as he pointed out many promising players came from the Asian community and it was a good thing for cricket. Obviously this doesn't prove whether he said it either way, just coincidental that he refers to this in his book.
The Essex chairman has been forced to resign over a different incident and I suspect there will be more things like this happening as people will come forward as they feel they might actually be listened to now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 16:58:43 GMT 1
I really hope that what has happened (sadly) at Yorkshire CCC is the catalyst for positive change.
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