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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 14:04:34 GMT 1
Nothing better to do than watch the 2nd Womens' ODI against NZ at Worcester. There are some absolutely shocking shots being played. It's lucky they are not playing up my way! The heavens opened up an hour ago and it's still chucking it down. Rain wasn't in the forecast today when I looked this morning
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 19:22:46 GMT 1
Nothing better to do than watch the 2nd Womens' ODI against NZ at Worcester. There are some absolutely shocking shots being played. Exciting finish in the end 😊
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Post by northwestman on Sept 20, 2021 11:36:46 GMT 1
p**sed me off to see a number of the Indian Test Players running around in the meaningless IPL.
Meaningless apart from the money involved of course. Hence the fact that The Hundred will be fouling up our own cricket schedules for years to come.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Sept 20, 2021 11:58:09 GMT 1
Nothing better to do than watch the 2nd Womens' ODI against NZ at Worcester. There are some absolutely shocking shots being played. Exciting finish in the end 😊 I went down and cricket-wise it was quite an entertaining day really. Apart from those awfully loud speakers and terrible music being played during every 'slight' stoppage of play. Didn't even get a 'Sweet Caroline'. Funny old pitch though and quite a few couldn't get to grips with the pace. Most of them onto the shot too early. Impressed with Wyatt & Dean though !!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 20, 2021 15:43:08 GMT 1
p**sed me off to see a number of the Indian Test Players running around in the meaningless IPL. Meaningless apart from the money involved of course. Hence the fact that The Hundred will be fouling up our own cricket schedules for years to come. I’ve enjoyed the IPL being on Sky in recent years, but am boycotting this current tournament due to the mockery it made of the test series. I very much doubt that my one man boycott will send shockwaves through the sport, what with its hundreds of millions viewing every match, but at least I can go to sleep at night with a clear conscience.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 12:02:16 GMT 1
www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1279003.html?ex_cid=OTC-RSSThe MCC has adopted the gender-neutral "batter" and "batters" in place of "batsman" and "batsmen" in the laws of the game, with the change effective immediately after being approved by the MCC committee. The MCC, custodians of the laws of cricket, called the amendments "an essential part of MCC's global responsibility to the sport".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 17:29:16 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2021 17:35:02 GMT 1
I'm looking at what's referred to as the "County Championship Table" on the BBC website and what on earth is that all about!? Three divisions of 6 teams playing 10 matches , then 3 more divisions of 6 teams playing 5? matches, including the ability to have half a win, loss or draw? And half bonus points? What!? For the love of God do they want the sport to be accessible to people or not???
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 17:36:01 GMT 1
Hants and Lancs involved in a real dogfight, but the key game is at Warwick, where if they get maximum bowling points against Somerset and then go on to win the game they will win the Championship, whatever the other two do.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 17:41:45 GMT 1
I'm looking at what's referred to as the "County Championship Table" on the BBC website and what on earth is that all about!? Three divisions of 6 teams playing 10 matches , then 3 more divisions of 6 teams playing 5? matches, including the ability to have half a win, loss or draw? And half bonus points? What!? For the love of God do they want the sport to be accessible to people or not??? Agree 100%. Why they can't revert to 17 4 day games with everyone playing each other once I've no idea. That's only 3 more games than they're playing already. Then make the Royal London Cup a straight knockout.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 17:46:14 GMT 1
I'm looking at what's referred to as the "County Championship Table" on the BBC website and what on earth is that all about!? Three divisions of 6 teams playing 10 matches , then 3 more divisions of 6 teams playing 5? matches, including the ability to have half a win, loss or draw? And half bonus points? What!? For the love of God do they want the sport to be accessible to people or not??? I've just been looking up the tournament rules myself after I had read that Essex had won division 2 but wouldn't be promoted. It's like some super 6 tournament where you carry forward your results from the earlier group games. All very confusing 😕
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Post by venceremos on Sept 22, 2021 17:50:35 GMT 1
And the half win/loss that can't be a draw because you can also have half a draw!? Any ideas?
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 18:13:42 GMT 1
I'm looking at what's referred to as the "County Championship Table" on the BBC website and what on earth is that all about!? Three divisions of 6 teams playing 10 matches , then 3 more divisions of 6 teams playing 5? matches, including the ability to have half a win, loss or draw? And half bonus points? What!? For the love of God do they want the sport to be accessible to people or not??? I've just been looking up the tournament rules myself after I had read that Essex had won division 2 but wouldn't be promoted. It's like some super 6 tournament where you carry forward your results from the earlier group games. All very confusing 😕 The crazy thing is that they are planning to continue with this nonsense set up next season.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 18:17:25 GMT 1
Some of the Counties in Divisions 2 and 3 have been selecting 2nd 11 players, as unless you are in Division 1, the whole thing is pointless.
Some of the scores in these late season games also suggest a certain lack of application, though I guess the pitches aren't the greatest at this time of year.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 22, 2021 18:49:47 GMT 1
I'm looking at what's referred to as the "County Championship Table" on the BBC website and what on earth is that all about!? Three divisions of 6 teams playing 10 matches , then 3 more divisions of 6 teams playing 5? matches, including the ability to have half a win, loss or draw? And half bonus points? What!? For the love of God do they want the sport to be accessible to people or not??? Agree 100%. Why they can't revert to 17 4 day games with everyone playing each other once I've no idea. That's only 3 more games than they're playing already. Then make the Royal London Cup a straight knockout. 3 Championship games per month between April and September shouldn’t be too hard to organise. But instead, the Blast will get priority through June/July and the Hundred through the school holidays, so the Championship will be marginalised once again.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 18:53:45 GMT 1
'No part of the history of the great game of cricket is any longer sacrosanct. In the interests of what the MCC calls reinforcing "cricket’s status as an inclusive game for all", the ancient term ‘batsman’ is to be replaced in the laws (of which MCC is supposedly ‘custodian’) by the revolting word ‘batter’.
It is not just that this noun is more usually associated with the stuff fish is fried in, or with which one makes Yorkshire pudding – or, worse, that the verb has associations with horrible people who beat their wives and children, driving them to refuges for their own protection. One wouldn’t expect MCC’s tin ear to pick that up. It is that women have happily played organised cricket since Victorian times and have, having embraced a game begun by men, accepted its terminology quite willingly, and without apparent harm.
If any woman felt upset about her gender being compromised or ignored (though I was under the impression that we were all supposed to be ‘fluid’ these days) then no one would object to the use of the specific noun ‘batswoman’ in women’s cricket. Oddly, in the theatre, the people we used to call ‘actresses’ are now often called ‘actors’, without being forced to undergo gender reassignment, and something similar can happily apply to cricket.
There is a more sinister point here. Just as MCC has lately prostituted itself by pretending, for purely financial reasons, that The Hundred is really cricket, it now seeks to show how in tune it is with the modern world by adopting this revolting word where a perfectly serviceable and universally understood one had long existed. This, too, we must imagine, is to keep its masters at the England and Wales Cricket Board happy, and because the MCC Committee is under the mistaken belief that this degree of ultra-woke grandstanding impresses people and entices them into cricket. Also, as if we needed a lesson in where the obsession with money takes cricket, we need simply recall the non-event of the Old Trafford Test. It is as if the game is becoming entirely unmanageable, and it increasingly gives the impression it is run by idiots'.
Simon Heffer. Daily Telegraph.
So what about 'maiden over' (sexist), 'third man' (sexist), 'night watchman' (sexist) or 'short leg' (disability)?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 22, 2021 19:45:07 GMT 1
As I stated when objections to 'batter' were first raised, that's a term I first heard commonly used 50 years ago when I moved to the north west and started playing league cricket.
I sympathise with Simon Heffer who is a Southerner, went to Cambridge and probably never got to play hard cricket.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 6:31:17 GMT 1
I've seen a lot of people finding it funny that some people are getting worked up about it, its only a few words, does it really matter, etc. Whilst that is true, surely it applies the other way around, if its a fairly insignificant thing, then why bother changing it? Just strikes me as another thing where someone changes something trying to show how modern & progressive they are, yet no one thought there was an issue in the first place (plus I suspect there are some real issues/practices at the MCC that do want modernising but they are conveniently ignored).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 9:41:52 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Sept 23, 2021 10:16:30 GMT 1
I've seen a lot of people finding it funny that some people are getting worked up about it, its only a few words, does it really matter, etc. Whilst that is true, surely it applies the other way around, if its a fairly insignificant thing, then why bother changing it? Just strikes me as another thing where someone changes something trying to show how modern & progressive they are, yet no one thought there was an issue in the first place (plus I suspect there are some real issues/practices at the MCC that do want modernising but they are conveniently ignored). Fair comment but must things only be changed when enough people ask for it to happen? Those who want to say 'batsman' will carry on saying 'batsman'. Nobody's stopping them. More importantly, the neutral term 'batter' won't put anyone off playing cricket by giving the impression that it's a sport for men. If you think that's trivial and wouldn't make a difference to anyone, imagine yourself to be, say, a 13 year old boy with an interest in playing cricket and discovering you'd be called a 'batswoman'. We've always had bowlers, not 'bowlmen'. I agree it's a small thing, but small things often make a difference.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 23, 2021 10:21:59 GMT 1
The ECBs decision is nothing short of a disgrace, and it’s heartening to see it called out as such by both the media and fans alike. It’s indefensible in my opinion.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 23, 2021 10:59:59 GMT 1
I've seen a lot of people finding it funny that some people are getting worked up about it, its only a few words, does it really matter, etc. Whilst that is true, surely it applies the other way around, if its a fairly insignificant thing, then why bother changing it? Just strikes me as another thing where someone changes something trying to show how modern & progressive they are, yet no one thought there was an issue in the first place (plus I suspect there are some real issues/practices at the MCC that do want modernising but they are conveniently ignored). Fair comment but must things only be changed when enough people ask for it to happen? Those who want to say 'batsman' will carry on saying 'batsman'. Nobody's stopping them. More importantly, the neutral term 'batter' won't put anyone off playing cricket by giving the impression that it's a sport for men. If you think that's trivial and wouldn't make a difference to anyone, imagine yourself to be, say, a 13 year old boy with an interest in playing cricket and discovering you'd be called a 'batswoman'. We've always had bowlers, not 'bowlmen'. I agree it's a small thing, but small things often make a difference. You beat me to it, I was going to suggest we go for consistency and have fieldsmen and bowlsmen.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Sept 23, 2021 12:24:50 GMT 1
And apparently the ECB number crunchers don't quite get it, The Hundred Income £40,000,000 (allegedly), Costs (Bribes included) £50,000,000, so a loss of £10,000,000 but in ECB speak that is a success oh just f**k off.
And nice Bonuses as well especially after getting rid of 60+ Employees last year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 12:28:52 GMT 1
And the half win/loss that can't be a draw because you can also have half a draw!? Any ideas? I just came across this explanation: Points carried forward Each county plays four games in the Division stage. They will not play against the team in their Division that was in their Group for the Group Stage. Instead, they carry forward into the Division stage half the total points they scored in the two matches played against that team in the group stage, that is, the average points they scored from their two matches against that opponent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 12:27:08 GMT 1
Some of the Counties in Divisions 2 and 3 have been selecting 2nd 11 players, as unless you are in Division 1, the whole thing is pointless. Some of the scores in these late season games also suggest a certain lack of application, though I guess the pitches aren't the greatest at this time of year. The Oval pitch must be a road and a half.... 1,223 runs so far for just 8 wickets (Surrey vs Glamorgan) Glamorgan have so far used 10 bowlers! They might as well shake hands now and call it a draw.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 17:11:28 GMT 1
Some of the Counties in Divisions 2 and 3 have been selecting 2nd 11 players, as unless you are in Division 1, the whole thing is pointless. Some of the scores in these late season games also suggest a certain lack of application, though I guess the pitches aren't the greatest at this time of year. The Oval pitch must be a road and a half.... 1,223 runs so far for just 8 wickets (Surrey vs Glamorgan) Glamorgan have so far used 10 bowlers! They might as well shake hands now and call it a draw. They decided to plod on to the bitter end! All eleven Glamorgan players got an opportunity to bowl, not that Ollie Pope was complaining! Meanwhile, congratulations to Warwickshire, County Champions for 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 12:57:52 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 15:15:06 GMT 1
I am disappointed to note his retirement from Test cricket, citing the "intensity", but by way of a contra-distinction, I am reminded of the comment of the great Keith Miller, in response to Michael Parkinson's enquiry about the pressures of Test cricket...."pressure is a Messerschmitt up your arse"....A lovely perspective!
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Post by northwestman on Sept 27, 2021 16:07:43 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 16:20:25 GMT 1
Looks like he may not play any domestic red ball cricket from now on. He will certainly continue to make a good living with all the global franchised cricket that's now out there.
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