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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 14:03:30 GMT 1
I was going to suggest the pitch isn't as bad as some are making out but when Root is taking 5-8 on day 2 then questions have to be asked
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 14:03:42 GMT 1
the commentary team are questioning if 47 might actually be enough and england have a chance of winning
i think radio shropshire should sign them up, they have lost the plot
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 25, 2021 14:15:13 GMT 1
Might as well let Leach and Root take the new ball ... go all in!
Everyone assuming they would take dinner but no back out for 2 overs!
India 2nd Innings
2 overs - Dinner - India 11-0
7.4 overs - India 49-0 win by 10 wickets. Rohit 25* Gill 15*
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Post by Pilch on Feb 25, 2021 14:20:21 GMT 1
just need a few early wickets they say
i agree, just 10 of them
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Post by venceremos on Feb 25, 2021 14:25:19 GMT 1
What odds on India by 10 wickets? Bit of a disaster this, for England. Superb bowling from the Indian spinners though - destroyed England psychologically. It'll be very hard for them to recover for the final Test.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 25, 2021 14:54:41 GMT 1
Pitch not fit for purpose
England all out for 112 and India all out for 145
something not right
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 25, 2021 15:46:09 GMT 1
Terrible but one of those games that will be talked about for years to come.
Personally, as a lover of test cricket I think to have a match done in just over five sessions is a farce. Yes we can’t play spin bowling but when Joe Root’s taking 5-8 on day 2 suggests to me the pitch is unacceptable.
Changes for the next match which begins next Thursday (longer rest than they might have expected!)? I’d don’t think it’ll happen, but I’d axe Bairstow, Pope, Broad and Archer and bring in Burns, Lawrence, Bess and Wood:
Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Root, Lawrence, Stokes, Foakes, Bess, Leach, Wood, Anderson.
Can’t see anything other than 3-1 now though.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 25, 2021 15:58:58 GMT 1
Providing India don't lose 4th test that should qualify them for the World Test Championship final v New Zealand at Lords .... if we win to tie series the Australia will play NZ
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Post by northwestman on Feb 25, 2021 16:27:47 GMT 1
Providing India don't lose 4th test that should qualify them for the World Test Championship final v New Zealand at Lords .... if we win to tie series the Australia will play NZ Well, that guarantees another turning wicket then!
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 25, 2021 19:49:00 GMT 1
Providing India don't lose 4th test that should qualify them for the World Test Championship final v New Zealand at Lords .... if we win to tie series the Australia will play NZ Well, that guarantees another turning wicket then! Indeed. India needed win 2-1 or better and we needed 3-1 or better any other permutations and it was Australia in the final
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2021 20:09:23 GMT 1
Apparently the pitch for the 4th and final test is expected to spin even more!
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2021 20:18:35 GMT 1
Apparently the pitch for the 4th and final test is expected to spin even more! I simply KNEW that winning the 1st Test on a test match strip would cost us... Congratulations to India for preparing a "bunsen, and capitalising....
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 9:30:32 GMT 1
Apparently the pitch for the 4th and final test is expected to spin even more! Selecting 4 seamers when it was fairly obvious that 2 spinners were required and completely destroying Bess's confidence didn't help much either. It was clear that had Moeen been available he'd have played.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 9:54:16 GMT 1
Moeen - £750k for playing in the IPL, Over £100k for being a captain in the Hundred, white ball England contract is worth £170k, no central contract for Tests which would have been worth £700k. A single Test appearance pays about £15k. Such is the influence of white ball cricket! www.sportingfree.com/cricket/england-players-salary/
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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 26, 2021 10:43:36 GMT 1
Pitch not fit for purpose England all out for 112 and India all out for 145 something not right Alternatively India were 114 for 3 and 49 for no wicket, so India had a collapse , teams do But as for England, sorry Jofra Archer batting going in at 8
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 11:14:03 GMT 1
Pitch not fit for purpose England all out for 112 and India all out for 145 something not right Alternatively India were 114 for 3 and 49 for no wicket, so India had a collapse , teams do But as for England, sorry Jofra Archer batting going in at 8 Archer isn't worth his place for his bowling at the moment. He's rarely been at full pace. Woakes would at least strengthen the batting. And a number 8 batsman Archer certainly isn't. He batted at number 10 for Sussex when I saw him at Colwyn Bay. If we have the 2 walking wickets of Broad and Anderson at 10 and 11, we do need some degree of competency at 8, even more so when Leach has to be factored into the equation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 11:55:32 GMT 1
Alternatively India were 114 for 3 and 49 for no wicket, so India had a collapse , teams do But as for England, sorry Jofra Archer batting going in at 8 Archer isn't worth his place for his bowling at the moment. He's rarely been at full pace. Woakes would at least strengthen the batting. And a number 8 batsman Archer certainly isn't. He batted at number 10 for Sussex when I saw him at Colwyn Bay. If we have the 2 walking wickets of Broad and Anderson at 10 and 11, we do need some degree of competency at 8, even more so when Leach has to be factored into the equation. Talking about bowling speeds, I wish they would show the speeds in old money, ie MPH. Kilometres per hour means nothing to this 61 year old!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 12:02:17 GMT 1
Apparently the pitch for the 4th and final test is expected to spin even more! Selecting 4 seamers when it was fairly obvious that 2 spinners were required and completely destroying Bess's confidence didn't help much either. It was clear that had Moeen been available he'd have played. England were so convinced that the pink ball would swing under the lights, trouble was the game didn't last long enough for them to test that theory. Will Dom Bess play in the final test? He has certainly had his confidence knocked by recent events not of his making. Even if he does play it's likely that it will be his last test match for a while given that England will revert back to just the one spinner for the next 12 months.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 12:02:52 GMT 1
Archer isn't worth his place for his bowling at the moment. He's rarely been at full pace. Woakes would at least strengthen the batting. And a number 8 batsman Archer certainly isn't. He batted at number 10 for Sussex when I saw him at Colwyn Bay. If we have the 2 walking wickets of Broad and Anderson at 10 and 11, we do need some degree of competency at 8, even more so when Leach has to be factored into the equation. Talking about bowling speeds, I wish they would show the speeds in old money, ie MPH. Kilometres per hour means nothing to this 61 year old! Nor do grammes or litres to me!
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 26, 2021 12:15:06 GMT 1
[quotetimestamp="1614336932" source="/post/1520724/thread" author="@gwyneddblue"]Talking about bowling speeds, I wish they would show the speeds in old money, ie MPH. Kilometres per hour means nothing to this 61 year old! Nor do grammes or litres to me![/quote] Pints and pounds for me too - we all know what comes in pints (milk and beer) and lbs (bags of sugar) There's a classic line in "Big Bang Theory" when Sheldon makes a mistake, proving, in Amy's words, that the Americans haven't quite grasped the metric system. Neither have I! If you don't know the "Big Bang Theory" you have been missing out on great comedy.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 12:26:22 GMT 1
I'm not sure how that whilst in Europe we escaped having to convert pints into litres and miles into kilometers. This guy wasn't allowed to sell in pounds and ounces: www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/15/1Garages were quick to convert gallons to litres though to hide the price of a gallon. I dread to think how much a gallon of petrol is nowadays.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 26, 2021 13:04:54 GMT 1
I'm not sure how that whilst in Europe we escaped having to convert pints into litres and miles into kilometers. This guy wasn't allowed to sell in pounds and ounces: www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/15/1Garages were quick to convert gallons to litres though to hide the price of a gallon. I dread to think how much a gallon of petrol is nowadays. £5.70 for diesel When i started driving it was 67p per gallon or 14.4p per litre
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Post by northwestman on Feb 26, 2021 13:47:45 GMT 1
England batted with trepidation, picked the wrong team and I’m fed up with people telling me they are putting Test cricket first because this series has clearly proved that is rubbish.
When it turns a great deal like it did in this match ask yourself how many of the 20 wickets fell to unplayable balls? Hardly any. Never mind tailenders. Of our top six in both innings, 10 of the 12 wickets fell to straight balls.
Playing on big turning pitches is a mind game as much as a technical one. At the back of your head you think you are going to get a hand grenade you can’t play.
But most of the time the big spinning balls miss the gloves and bat by several inches. They do too much so you have to forget about them and move on.
Most of the England batsmen got out to straight balls playing for turn. That is not the pitch. It is their mental approach. Their minds were scrambled.
Sir Geoffrey Boycott - Daily Telegraph.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 13:54:38 GMT 1
I'm not sure how that whilst in Europe we escaped having to convert pints into litres and miles into kilometers. This guy wasn't allowed to sell in pounds and ounces: www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/15/1Garages were quick to convert gallons to litres though to hide the price of a gallon. I dread to think how much a gallon of petrol is nowadays. £5.70 for diesel When i started driving it was 67p per gallon or 14.4p per litre Those were the days 😊
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 26, 2021 14:03:54 GMT 1
England batted with trepidation, picked the wrong team and I’m fed up with people telling me they are putting Test cricket first because this series has clearly proved that is rubbish. When it turns a great deal like it did in this match ask yourself how many of the 20 wickets fell to unplayable balls? Hardly any. Never mind tailenders. Of our top six in both innings, 10 of the 12 wickets fell to straight balls. Playing on big turning pitches is a mind game as much as a technical one. At the back of your head you think you are going to get a hand grenade you can’t play. But most of the time the big spinning balls miss the gloves and bat by several inches. They do too much so you have to forget about them and move on. Most of the England batsmen got out to straight balls playing for turn. That is not the pitch. It is their mental approach. Their minds were scrambled. Sir Geoffrey Boycott - Daily Telegraph. We will never be adequately prepared for pitches like that one no matter how much we prepare, unless we move the county championship and home test series to Asia. In general I think we’ve improved against spin in recent years, and the main reasons for the abberations of the last two tests are a perfect storm of quality Indian spinners, inexperienced batsmen, pitches being minefields and in this test the pink ball behaving differently. The argument about squad rotation is also a red herring in my opinion. The only players who may have played are Bairstow in test two, Buttler in both the last two, and Moeen in this test. Would any of them really have made the difference to affect a 300 run defeat and a 10 wicket defeat?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 15:23:00 GMT 1
Apparently the pitch for the 4th and final test is expected to spin even more! The cynical in the (English) cricketing world are expecting a carpark of a pitch where the teams can bat & bat & bat, India only need a draw so why prepare a pitch that guarantees a result and could be lost on the toss? Of course India may have seen enough of us to realise how badly we play spin and are confident of beating us
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 17:44:30 GMT 1
England batted with trepidation, picked the wrong team and I’m fed up with people telling me they are putting Test cricket first because this series has clearly proved that is rubbish. When it turns a great deal like it did in this match ask yourself how many of the 20 wickets fell to unplayable balls? Hardly any. Never mind tailenders. Of our top six in both innings, 10 of the 12 wickets fell to straight balls. Playing on big turning pitches is a mind game as much as a technical one. At the back of your head you think you are going to get a hand grenade you can’t play. But most of the time the big spinning balls miss the gloves and bat by several inches. They do too much so you have to forget about them and move on. Most of the England batsmen got out to straight balls playing for turn. That is not the pitch. It is their mental approach. Their minds were scrambled. Sir Geoffrey Boycott - Daily Telegraph. We will never be adequately prepared for pitches like that one no matter how much we prepare, unless we move the county championship and home test series to Asia. In general I think we’ve improved against spin in recent years, and the main reasons for the abberations of the last two tests are a perfect storm of quality Indian spinners, inexperienced batsmen, pitches being minefields and in this test the pink ball behaving differently. The argument about squad rotation is also a red herring in my opinion. The only players who may have played are Bairstow in test two, Buttler in both the last two, and Moeen in this test. Would any of them really have made the difference to affect a 300 run defeat and a 10 wicket defeat? The squad rotation debate is an interesting one. Over the course of the five test matches so far this year, England have used 19 players. Root, Sibley & Leach are the only ones to have played in all 5. It will be interesting to see if England go back to Burns, Lawrence & Bess for the final test.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 3, 2021 16:37:16 GMT 1
Buzz slowly beginning to build ahead of the fourth Test. Has been quite interesting reviewing the start of series predictions I collected...
England 4-0 India
Chief Inspector Swan
England 3-1 India
popperswillbreakyou Mortgagehound
England 2-2 India
armchairfan Minormorris64 gwyneddblue
England 1-3 India
northwestman Staffordshrew Letchworthshrew Feedo Gnasher
England 0-4 India
barrynic Exkeeper Claphamshrew
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Mar 3, 2021 17:31:17 GMT 1
Buzz slowly beginning to build ahead of the fourth Test. Has been quite interesting reviewing the start of series predictions I collected... England 4-0 India Chief Inspector Swan England 3-1 India popperswillbreakyou Mortgagehound England 2-2 India armchairfan Minormorris64 gwyneddblue England 1-3 India northwestman Staffordshrew Letchworthshrew Feedo Gnasher England 0-4 India barrynic Exkeeper Claphamshrew Sadly our chances of routing them went out of the window when Shagger flew home. One of the great "what ifs" in cricket history.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 3, 2021 18:00:00 GMT 1
Buzz slowly beginning to build ahead of the fourth Test. Has been quite interesting reviewing the start of series predictions I collected... England 4-0 India Chief Inspector Swan England 3-1 India popperswillbreakyou Mortgagehound England 2-2 India armchairfan Minormorris64 gwyneddblue England 1-3 India northwestman Staffordshrew Letchworthshrew Feedo Gnasher England 0-4 India barrynic Exkeeper Claphamshrew I refuse to believe Northwestman would ever be so optimistic as to predict us winning a test match.
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