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Post by venceremos on Nov 10, 2020 22:04:59 GMT 1
We are actually keeping the ball on the deck more....good to see! I said when I saw the team it might help us keep the ball on the ground if we're playing three wingers instead of any strikers! Visionary strategy from Ricketts!?
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Post by venceremos on Nov 10, 2020 22:09:43 GMT 1
Always thought Goss had a bit of quality about him. He does. I just found it frustrating when he played at pre-season speed and slowed down our not-very-fast-game-to-begin-with even more.
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Post by barrynic on Nov 10, 2020 22:20:49 GMT 1
Goss though is the only midfielder that can consistently hit long balls to feet...something we need in our armoury.
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Post by armchairfan on Nov 10, 2020 22:21:05 GMT 1
Who would have thought that after last season the defence would be the major problem .... It could be argued that in the last two games, Sam has achieved everything asked of him, by turning things around: last year, broadly speaking, we had a proficient defence and no attacking prowess; now, in a 100% handbrake turn...... 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by venceremos on Nov 10, 2020 22:23:35 GMT 1
Goss though is the only midfielder that can consistently hit long balls to feet...something we need in our armoury. I'd certainly rather have him available in the league squad than not.
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Post by scooter on Nov 10, 2020 22:30:48 GMT 1
Love played against Northampton. So presumably in squad Squad lists had to be submitted to EFL at the end of the transfer window. Goss or Love can’t be added to the squad until January, apparently
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 10, 2020 22:34:06 GMT 1
Interesting. There’s an article in the Star saying SR won’t be discussing the future of Pugh and Roberts until then and our latest Australian is going to be reviewed then as well I think?
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Post by darkshrew on Nov 10, 2020 23:37:23 GMT 1
To answer someone's earlier question. No Goss or Love in the league until Jan by the looks of it This is a joke surely ?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 10, 2020 23:42:42 GMT 1
That John Dorsett sounds like a trouble maker. Is he a member of b&a? Perhaps Pilch could find out his IP address.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 1:43:00 GMT 1
To answer someone's earlier question. No Goss or Love in the league until Jan by the looks of it This is a joke surely ? 100% not a joke. As part of the SalaryCap squad quotas were introduced. Maximum squad of 22 senior players allowed for league games. Senior are those aged 21 and over. We have more than 22 so Goss, Love and probably 1-2 others are currently not eligible to play in the league. Next seson it reduces to 20.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Nov 11, 2020 6:11:13 GMT 1
So not really a salary cap is it then, could still have a squad of 50, But nobody would be stupid enough to employ players that can’t play would they.... 👀
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 11, 2020 8:11:24 GMT 1
So we're also playing our "B" team in the Papa John's? So how and when could Goss and Love be included to the first team squad? Would this now only come about when we hit the next transfer window, when we see players come and go?
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Post by salop999 on Nov 11, 2020 8:25:54 GMT 1
I don't understand why the club haven't just said that Love and Goss were unable to be registered for League 1 games.
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Post by salop999 on Nov 11, 2020 8:27:02 GMT 1
So we're also playing our "B" team in the Papa John's? So how and when could Goss and Love be included to the first team squad? Would this now only come about when we hit the next transfer window, when we see players come and go? Yes exactly that. Started playing the new Football Manager last night and was really shocked about having to register players and being forced to leave 2 players out.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 11, 2020 8:39:01 GMT 1
So we're also playing our "B" team in the Papa John's? So how and when could Goss and Love be included to the first team squad? Would this now only come about when we hit the next transfer window, when we see players come and go? Yes exactly that. Started playing the new Football Manager last night and was really shocked about having to register players and being forced to leave 2 players out. You should start a thread about that it sounds real exciting 😜
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Post by salop999 on Nov 11, 2020 8:48:48 GMT 1
Yes exactly that. Started playing the new Football Manager last night and was really shocked about having to register players and being forced to leave 2 players out. You should start a thread about that it sounds real exciting 😜 Ok it's deleted. I don't want to be accused of creating new threads about same subject. I just find it funny until yesterday I had no idea Love and Goss are not allowed to play in League 1. Thought they'd just been dropped.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 11, 2020 9:23:51 GMT 1
Early betting for the November League 1 Manager of the Month with Jetsports Betting.
5/6 Ricketts (Shrewsbury)
5/2 Ferguson (Peterborough)
3/1 Jackett (Portsmouth)
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 11, 2020 9:29:22 GMT 1
You should start a thread about that it sounds real exciting 😜 Ok it's deleted. I don't want to be accused of creating new threads about same subject. I just find it funny until yesterday I had no idea Love and Goss are not allowed to play in League 1. Thought they'd just been dropped. Which is what we were led to believe. Great for their confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 9:37:50 GMT 1
Regarding Goss & Love, I thought the club or the Star had said they weren't in the registered squad but can't find anthing so could be wrong. But to be honest, it didnt take a genius to work out, you can only register a certain number of players, we have more players than that number so some would have to miss out, Ricketts had made it clear the two of them were not in favour so of course they were going to miss out.
I've said it before but its the classic football fan attitude when things arent going well, all of a sudden players who aren't playing are the answer to our prayers. Love was decent first half of last season but then went off the boil and towards the end became the player that Sunderland warned us about. I can understand the clamour for him to an extent due to the injuries we have had at right back, now Millar is backk it is up to him to make that spot his own. Goss is ok but to me is just that, he was a bit part player for us last season but all of a sudden he's our best midfielder, I cant remember that being said too much before this season when he has been dropped
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 9:44:52 GMT 1
So not really a salary cap is it then, could still have a squad of 50, But nobody would be stupid enough to employ players that can’t play would they.... 👀 Combination of things but can have as many under 21's as you want as they don't count towards that 22 limit.
Once a player becomes 21 it must limit their future employment options as a maximum of 528 can be actively registered to play in each of EFL 1 & 2 reducing to 480 next season.
Squad limit for the Championship is currently 25
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 11, 2020 9:52:02 GMT 1
So not really a salary cap is it then, could still have a squad of 50, But nobody would be stupid enough to employ players that can’t play would they.... 👀 You are talking about football (for a change ) here remember.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 9:52:14 GMT 1
So we're also playing our "B" team in the Papa John's? So how and when could Goss and Love be included to the first team squad? Would this now only come about when we hit the next transfer window, when we see players come and go? Yes. If you have a space then you can add players but you can't chop n change it if a player gets injured for instance.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 9:56:31 GMT 1
Interesting. There’s an article in the Star saying SR won’t be discussing the future of Pugh and Roberts until then and our latest Australian is going to be reviewed then as well I think? Yes. He was signed on loan until January with an option to buy.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:02:29 GMT 1
So we're also playing our "B" team in the Papa John's? So how and when could Goss and Love be included to the first team squad? Would this now only come about when we hit the next transfer window, when we see players come and go? Yes. If you have a space then you can add players but you can't chop n change it, if a player gets injured for instance, to move players on or off it. So you have to at some point announce that this is the first team and this falls within whatever wage limit we have. And you are saying that whilst you can add to it, you can't bring players out (and back in)? So really the only way someone is going to leave that first team squad is if they are released or transferred? But then we had Love and Goss before we brought in Pugh and Clarke, say. Were Love and Goss ever in the first team squad? If they were, were they then replaced? Or were they never included. What happens with the loans. Confused? You won't be, after this week's episode of...Soap.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:11:44 GMT 1
Regarding Goss & Love, I thought the club or the Star had said they weren't in the registered squad but can't find anthing so could be wrong. But to be honest, it didnt take a genius to work out, you can only register a certain number of players, we have more players than that number so some would have to miss out, Ricketts had made it clear the two of them were not in favour so of course they were going to miss out. I've said it before but its the classic football fan attitude when things arent going well, all of a sudden players who aren't playing are the answer to our prayers. Love was decent first half of last season but then went off the boil and towards the end became the player that Sunderland warned us about. I can understand the clamour for him to an extent due to the injuries we have had at right back, now Millar is backk it is up to him to make that spot his own. Goss is ok but to me is just that, he was a bit part player for us last season but all of a sudden he's our best midfielder, I cant remember that being said too much before this season when he has been dropped I'm not so much thinking that these guys are the answer to our prayers. But just wondering how we as a club can afford the luxury of having at least two players whose role now appears to give one or two others a rest come Trophy games. Unless of course there is some plan to bring them into the first team in the future, once loans (or some other move) are completed. Has this happening in previous seasons? Anyone know? Is this something that tends to come about most seasons?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:22:39 GMT 1
Yes. If you have a space then you can add players but you can't chop n change it, if a player gets injured for instance, to move players on or off it. So you have to at some point announce that this is the first team and this falls within whatever wage limit we have. And you are saying that whilst you can add to it, you can't bring players out (and back in)? So really the only way someone is going to leave that first team squad is if they are released or transferred? But then we had Love and Goss before we brought in Pugh and Clarke, say. Were Love and Goss ever in the first team squad? If they were, were they then replaced? Or were they never included. What happens with the loans. Confused? You won't be, after this week's episode of...Soap. The deadline for finalising the senior squad was after the transfer window closed so up to that point I think they could have been included in games. Obvously this season with the transfer window being so late has blurred things a bit.
If you register less than 22 senior players then you can fill that gap anytime but as it's already full we can't now replace the injured Fossey with Love. You can have as many under 21's registered as you want.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:24:04 GMT 1
Regarding Goss & Love, I thought the club or the Star had said they weren't in the registered squad but can't find anthing so could be wrong. But to be honest, it didnt take a genius to work out, you can only register a certain number of players, we have more players than that number so some would have to miss out, Ricketts had made it clear the two of them were not in favour so of course they were going to miss out. I've said it before but its the classic football fan attitude when things arent going well, all of a sudden players who aren't playing are the answer to our prayers. Love was decent first half of last season but then went off the boil and towards the end became the player that Sunderland warned us about. I can understand the clamour for him to an extent due to the injuries we have had at right back, now Millar is backk it is up to him to make that spot his own. Goss is ok but to me is just that, he was a bit part player for us last season but all of a sudden he's our best midfielder, I cant remember that being said too much before this season when he has been dropped I'm not so much thinking that these guys are the answer to our prayers. But just wondering how we as a club can afford the luxury of having at least two players whose role now appears to give one or two others a rest come Trophy games. Unless of course there is some plan to bring them into the first team in the future, once loans (or some other move) are completed. Has this happening in previous seasons? Anyone know? Is this something that tends to come about most seasons? No it's a new rules starting this season and was voted it along with the new Salary Cap.
Davycrockett dug this out in the EFL Rules & Regulations and posted on the injuryupdate thread a couple of days ago. As for the definition of home grown players that's as clear as mud!!!
43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions:
(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, 25 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player;
(b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs: (i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and (ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.
The limit set out in Regulation 43.9.1(b)(ii) increases to 22 for any Club relegated into League One, for its first Season following relegation.
43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:
(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, any Under 21 Player (save for any Under 21 Player who is registered with the Club on a Temporary Loan Transfer); and
(b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 11, 2020 10:26:09 GMT 1
last night goss showed what he can do but if you look at last season he was only able to do this for brief periods, slowed the game down ,was not very keen on takling and tended to drift in and out of games. clearly if he could produce this more consistently he would be playing at a higher level.however when he is on his game he cant deliver the kind of balls to feet forward wont. if you look at the Tracey and daniles that is exactly the kind of distribution they need, Tracey showed what he can do but if we go to kick and hope balls we are not going to see the best in him. last night town scored four goals how many people thought we whould see a town team do that this season?
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Post by harboroughshrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:28:39 GMT 1
The idea of a salary cap is basically sound but this way of enforcing it seems flawed because it does not take account of long term injuries. This season is pretty full on anyway as it started late and managers could find themselves in the position of playing players who are unfit or carrying slight injuries even though other fit players at the club cannot play as they are not in the 22. I would guess most teams at our level use significantly more than 22 players over the course of an average season - especially those fighting relegation who are chopping and changing to try and find a winning formula.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 11, 2020 10:34:38 GMT 1
I'm not so much thinking that these guys are the answer to our prayers. But just wondering how we as a club can afford the luxury of having at least two players whose role now appears to give one or two others a rest come Trophy games. Unless of course there is some plan to bring them into the first team in the future, once loans (or some other move) are completed. Has this happening in previous seasons? Anyone know? Is this something that tends to come about most seasons? No it's a new rules starting this season and was voted it along with the new Salary Cap.
Davycrockett dug this out in the EFL Rules & Regulations and posted on the injuryupdate thread a couple of days ago. As for the definition of home grown players that's as clear as mud!!!
43.9.1 Clubs shall be permitted to name up to a maximum number of Players in their Squad List based on the following provisions:
(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, 25 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player;
(b) in respect of League One and Two Clubs: (i) in Season 2020/21, 22 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player; and (ii) in Season 2021/22 and each subsequent Season, 20 Players of which a minimum of 8 must be a Home Grown Player.
The limit set out in Regulation 43.9.1(b)(ii) increases to 22 for any Club relegated into League One, for its first Season following relegation.
43.9.2 The following Players do not need to be included in the Squad List to be eligible to play in League Matches:
(a) in respect of Championship Clubs, any Under 21 Player (save for any Under 21 Player who is registered with the Club on a Temporary Loan Transfer); and
(b) in respect of League One Clubs and League Two Clubs, any Under 21 Players.
Thanks for the info.👍
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