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Post by Pilch on Jun 7, 2020 17:44:18 GMT 1
Mass protests held in the UK over the death of George Floyd are considered unlawful under current lockdown laws, a senior Met Police officer has said.
can we start a petition and see if we can get them all sacked from their jobs ?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 7, 2020 17:55:28 GMT 1
Re stop and search etc, I had an insight into how this operated when I was working. I was the purchasing manager for a business in Nigeria, my Nigerian colleague was sales manager.
We travelled around Europe together on buying trips and to trade exhibitions. He was stopped, had his person and luggage searched and was interrogated every time we crossed a border. I was always waved through.
I was indignant about his treatment, he just shrugged it off and said it was normal.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 7, 2020 18:12:02 GMT 1
In early February, as the Government announced a first Briton had tested Covid-19 positive in the UK, Public Health England was already falling flat on its face. A centralised team of 290 contact tracers had been alerted to the case of Steve Walsh, who would come to be known as Brighton's “superspreader”, linked to at least 11 infections. But in those crucial first days after he returned to the South Coast, having flown in from Singapore via a ski-ing holiday in France, PHE failed to track, trace, or, indeed, isolate his contacts in time. One Brighton man, Jonathan Burrell, who took part in a yoga class with Mr Walsh in the days after his return to the UK has told how it took six days for him to be alerted by health officials. During the intervening week, he had met hundreds of people, took part in a cross country race, and visited his elderly father. “I then had a mild panic considering the number of people I had been in contact with over the previous week," Mr Burrell said this week. Daily Telegraph. And yet Brighton and Hove has one of the lowest rates of infection in the country, about two thirds of the rate for Shropshire according to today’s data. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 18:28:07 GMT 1
If you really follow the news, you'll see that the protests were peaceful, until a small minority caused trouble. I am trying to remember your posts about people on beaches. Please point me to them. If you really do take an interest in these issues, then you'll know that this isn't just about what is going on in the USA. A young black man I mentor was telling me a couple of months ago that he was stopped and searched 3 times in one week on his way to work in London. This was before Xmas. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stop-and-search-racist-bame-crime-home-office-a9160826.htmlNow, tell me why the BAME community have a grievance? Tell me why the BAME community feel the need to protest? Finally, I look forward to your outraged post the next time a member of the BAME community is stopped and searched for no reason, killed in Police custody, or suffers racism. Thousands of people are stopped and searched. I was regularly pulled over as a youngster driving and had my details checked and car searched, for no reason other than being young. Although a little bit annoying, I had no reason to be bothered, I wasn't breaking the law nor did I have anything to hide. If you're stopped and searched at random and you have nothing to hide or you're not breaking any laws then it will take a few minutes and you're on your way. Keeps the country safer if even one person is stopped, searched and a weapon or drugs are taken off the streets then that's positive. People who take offence to stop and search have something to hide in my opinion. I get searched at gigs, football grounds, nightclubs ... I'm not bothered in the slightest. As usual, you miss the point. Here's the governments own data. www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 18:30:33 GMT 1
Yes, people have been ignoring the lockdown for weeks. But, the outrage seems to be reserved for yesterday. i agree ; my concern is that bigots will try to blame ethnic minoritys for the black lives matter protest for any spike and ignore that people of all races protested whilst also overlooking all the idiots at the beaches. Why not just call them racists? But, yes, it's already happening. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 19:31:41 GMT 1
There is bound to be more of a reaction to the events of yesterday due to the very fact that they have received much more media event coverage. It was wall to wall on the BBC news. Maybe the 'left-wing' BBC is part of the problem then. I've not said that. I'm just expressing how the media has covered the events of yesterday and today, eg Bristol. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 7, 2020 20:06:39 GMT 1
from the mail
"Coronavirus may have flown into the UK a month before the first case was identified.
An antibody test has revealed that a London Arts director, who fell ill on January 6 after returning from a skiing holiday in Austria, has suffered from the disease.
Susannah Ford, 53, said she is convinced she caught it while at Obergurgl resort, less than eight miles from the Italian border. It is also 65 miles from Ischgl, Austria, which is facing a criminal probe over allegations it covered up an outbreak for weeks - allowing the disease to spread across Europe.
"The results, which do not prove when she got the disease, suggest she may be the new patient zero. The first British case was identified in scout-leader Steve Walsh, from Brighton, on February 6. The first case in the country was a Chinese student in York, who was diagnosed on January 29."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 20:10:42 GMT 1
Maybe the 'left-wing' BBC is part of the problem then. I've not said that. I'm just expressing how the media has covered the events of yesterday and today, eg Bristol. I know you didn't, I was merely musing. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 8, 2020 8:11:29 GMT 1
from the mail some good news and what we could have had with a competent goverment.
"New Zealand will end its strict coronavirus lockdown rules from midnight after completely eliminating the virus.
On Monday, health authorities reported the country's only active case had recovered, meaning there are no active cases of Covid-19 across the country.
Health authorities also confirmed no new cases for 17 days straight. The final patient, a woman in her 50s, recorded no symptoms for 48 hours, before being announced as recovered at St Margaret's Hospital and Rest Home in Auckland on Monday. "
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 8, 2020 8:32:58 GMT 1
from the mail some good news and what we could have had with a competent goverment. "New Zealand will end its strict coronavirus lockdown rules from midnight after completely eliminating the virus. On Monday, health authorities reported the country's only active case had recovered, meaning there are no active cases of Covid-19 across the country. Health authorities also confirmed no new cases for 17 days straight. The final patient, a woman in her 50s, recorded no symptoms for 48 hours, before being announced as recovered at St Margaret's Hospital and Rest Home in Auckland on Monday. " Austria also, just 4 new cases yesterday and less than 700 deaths. They imposed an early and strict lockdown and face masks were compulsory outdoors from the start. In contrast our doctor friend in Exeter says the R rate in his area is above 1 as it is here in the north west. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 8, 2020 8:46:21 GMT 1
www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/06/08/patients-face-new-normal-as-dentists-reopen-doors-as-lockdown-eases/"We’ve had to take additional precautions. Patients are going to be told to wait in their car and make their way to the entrance a minute before their appointment time. “There will be a car park attendant and they will be directed on where to go.” She says emergencies will be prioritised, but some routine appointments may be able to go ahead where possible. “We have guidance to follow, for example PPE we need to wear for different procedures,” she said. “The major risk to us is aerosols. “After an aerosol generating procedure (AGP) we have to leave our PPE within the surgery and leave the surgery wearing our mask. We can’t go in for an hour, and it has to be fully cleaned.”Her practice has seven dentists, but she says only three will be allowed in on a single day – and each will have access to two surgery rooms." www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51914722"Please leave the room, close the door and start a disinfection," says a voice from the robot."It says it in Chinese as well now," Simon Ellison, vice president of UVD Robots, tells me as he demonstrates the machine. Through a glass window we watch as the self-driving machine navigates a mock-hospital room, where it kills microbes with a zap of ultraviolet light."We had been growing the business at quite a high pace - but the coronavirus has kind of rocketed the demand," says chief executive, Per Juul Nielsen.He says "truckloads" of robots have been shipped to China, in particular Wuhan. Sales elsewhere in Asia, and Europe are also up."Italy has been showing a very strong demand," adds Mr Nielsen. "They really are in a desperate situation. Of course, we want to help them." Production has been accelerated and it now takes less than a day to make one robot at their facility in Odense, Denmark's third largest city and home to a growing robotics hub. "Glowing like light sabres, eight bulbs emit concentrated UV-C ultraviolet light. This destroys bacteria, viruses and other harmful microbes by damaging their DNA and RNA, so they can't multiply.It's also hazardous to humans, so we wait outside. The job is done in 10-20 minutes. Afterwards there's a smell, much like burned hair." i know thes machine would cost more in the short term £53,OOO but in the long term they would pay for themelves no large quantaties of disinfectan to buy and more rooms available to treat patients as they can do a ward in 20 minutes versus and hour for the system the dentists are using and are bult in Denmark.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 8, 2020 9:21:17 GMT 1
Thousands of people are stopped and searched. I was regularly pulled over as a youngster driving and had my details checked and car searched, for no reason other than being young. Although a little bit annoying, I had no reason to be bothered, I wasn't breaking the law nor did I have anything to hide. If you're stopped and searched at random and you have nothing to hide or you're not breaking any laws then it will take a few minutes and you're on your way. Keeps the country safer if even one person is stopped, searched and a weapon or drugs are taken off the streets then that's positive. People who take offence to stop and search have something to hide in my opinion. I get searched at gigs, football grounds, nightclubs ... I'm not bothered in the slightest. As usual, you miss the point. Here's the governments own data. www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latestUnlike you, I've taken your point on board and answered in relation to it. You have chosen to ignore my points and they don't fit your narrative. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 9:28:55 GMT 1
Unlike you, I've taken your point on board and answered in relation to it. You have chosen to ignore my points and they don't fit your narrative. Your point is that 1000s of people get stopped and searched and you said you got pulled over by the police while driving, which is a different scenario for a start. You are suggesting that it happens to anyone, well the Government's own data shows the number of BAME people stopped and searched compared to others. It's not fitting my narrative, I am presenting data to you to show why people from the BAME community have a problem with it. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 8, 2020 9:43:32 GMT 1
you can add mental health services www.mind.org.uk/news-campaigns/legal-news/legal-newsletter-june-2019/discrimination-in-mental-health-services/"One of the terms of reference for the Independent Review of the Mental Health Act, which published its Final Report in December 2018, was to understand and make recommendations about "the disproportionate number of people from black and minority ethnicities detained under the act". The authors of the Final Report described this issue as "one of the most troubling and difficult areas" they considered in conducting the review. Whole books could be written about this, but a short article will have to do. Different communities have different experiences of mental health and of treatment. At the age of 11 there a very few differences, but by adulthood the picture is different. Black men and white men experience similar rates of common mental health problems but Black women experience substantially higher rates of them than white women. When it comes to psychosis Black men experience it around 10 times more frequently than white men. But despite Black people, in very, very broad brush terms, having worse experience of mental health than white people, the latter are more than twice as likely to be receiving treatment for mental health problems." One of the terms of reference for the Independent Review of the Mental Health Act, which published its Final Report in December 2018, was to understand and make recommendations about "the disproportionate number of people from black and minority ethnicities detained under the act". The authors of the Final Report described this issue as "one of the most troubling and difficult areas" they considered in conducting the review. Whole books could be written about this, but a short article will have to do. "If one examines routes to treatment you will see that Black people are 40% more likely to access treatment through a police or criminal justice route, less likely to receive psychological therapies, more likely to be compulsorily admitted for treatment, more likely to be on a medium or high secure ward and be more likely to be subject to seclusion or restraint (56.2 per 100,000 population for Black Caribbean as against 16.2 per 100,000 population for white). We must stress that there is a hugely complex picture here, but it seems undeniable that Black people get to the sharper end of treatment in the more uncomfortable ways." " dr Frank Keating examined this complex picture in his report "Breaking the Circles of Fear". He found that Black people have a strongly grounded fear and mistrust of services (which they perceive as inhumane), resist seeking help and only present in the most aversive of care pathways at the point of crisis. Jacqui Dyer, the recently appointed Mental Health Equalities Champion, says that there is a belief in some Black communities that if you go into mental health services "it's not that you get recovery, it's that you die there". Similarly some of the people from BAME communities that we engaged with in developing our submission to the MHA Review clearly told us that sectioning was not experienced as a therapeutic intervention, but as little more than chemical and physical containment". If one looks at Mental Health Act (MHA) outcomes a pretty clear picture emerges along the same lines as statistics quoted earlier. Black people are 4 times as likely to be detained under the MHA and arrested under section. 136 " Section 136 gives the police the power to remove a person from a public place, when they appear to be suffering from a mental disorder, to a place of safety. The person will be deemed by the police to be in immediate need of care and control as their behaviour is of concern. It is important to point out that a person is not under arrest when the decision is made to remove the person to a place of safety. The police power is to facilitate assessment of their health and wellbeing as well as the safety of other people around them. the above chapter again for highlights me a bias in the police rates of Schizophrenia are 1 in a 100 so how can black men be diagonsed with a psychosis experience it at a rate of ten times than a white man,, whilst the chapeter below is only a theory for me it seems plausable bearing in mind the disperpotionate treatment of Black patients. "Research on clinical decision-making suggests that clinicians hold negative implicit attitudes toward people from minority backgrounds and that there is a direct link between these attitudes and clinicians' treatment decisions. Could it be that stereotypes of black people, men especially, as being dangerous are operating at a sub-conscious level on decision-makers at the point of sectioning?" |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 8, 2020 10:05:47 GMT 1
This article was written in 1989 and clearly mental health services have a long way to go.The independent advocates was a step in the right direction as was a review of the use of section 136 and( pratcice of detaining patients in police custody wich did significantly reduce) www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/A7BFCE63B7B25E17C1C82EF000274BEB/S0955603600014847a.pdf/div-class-title-black-people-and-psychiatry-in-the-uk-div.pdfAfro-Caribbean Mental Health Association "While the Core and Cluster project of Harambee evolved from a concern about the housing needs of single black men and women, the London-based Afro-Caribbean Mental Health Association (ACMHA) grew out of a recognition that black patients in psychiatric hospital were receiving inferior and, mostly, inappropriate care. ACMHA was formed in 1982 by black people in Brixton as a response to what was seen as inferior and inappropriate treatment received by black patients in the local hospitals. The local experience was also vindicated by observations elsewhere in the country that black patients in psychiatric facilities were victims of professional ignorance and neglect resulting from pervasive but subtle racist stereotyping. Since professional concern about these apparent and serious problems appeared to be rather muted, the local black community in Brixton, especially relatives and friends of black patients in mental facilities, decided to find out whether something could be done to change the situation and the ACMHA was set up.Initially, the organisation worked mainly as a pressure group, campaigning both locally and nationally on issues around race and mental health. Individual cases of black clients who had particular problems in dealing with professional psychiatry were supported and much effort went into making local psychiatric services more sensitive to the needs of black clients, and professionals more accessible to a dialogue about clinical practices and the appropriateness of their interventions. It soon became clear that client advocacy work and attempts at influencing practices and policies within the rigid and some what uncertain local services were of only limited benefit and the atavistic notions within the pro fessional ranks about black people were a major impediment to procuring adequate and appropriatemental health care for the largely disadvantaged localpopulation. In addition, the nature of psychiatric practice appeared to be dominated by narrow professional/economic considerations" |
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 8, 2020 14:15:36 GMT 1
from the mail some good news and what we could have had with a competent goverment. "New Zealand will end its strict coronavirus lockdown rules from midnight after completely eliminating the virus. On Monday, health authorities reported the country's only active case had recovered, meaning there are no active cases of Covid-19 across the country. Health authorities also confirmed no new cases for 17 days straight. The final patient, a woman in her 50s, recorded no symptoms for 48 hours, before being announced as recovered at St Margaret's Hospital and Rest Home in Auckland on Monday. " And also in other good news it looks like as a result of this this weekend their Rugby Union Super competition will go ahead in front of crowds as normal so if anyone is missing hearing the roar of a crowd that sport has been sadly missing in recent times. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2020 14:31:16 GMT 1
If people break the law they should be punished, be it a dodgy eye test at a lovely castle, a gathering at a beech or a protest in London. exactly the fact they didnt sack that bloke means they can not now stand at the podium and condemn those anti- racist protestors who think putting lives at risk , criminal damage and taking the law into their own hands is more acceptable than something that was perfectly legal hundreds of years ago did I mention I think a lot of so called do-gooders are actually causing more harm than good. ?  they may as well march protesting against herd immunity |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 8, 2020 14:35:41 GMT 1
If people break the law they should be punished, be it a dodgy eye test at a lovely castle, a gathering at a beech or a protest in London. exactly the fact they didnt sack that bloke means they can not now stand at the podium and condemn those anti- racist protestors who think putting lives at risk , criminal damage and taking the law into their own hands is more acceptable than something that was perfectly legal hundreds of years ago did I mention I think a lot of so called do-gooders are actually causing more harm than good. ? they may as well march protesting against herd immunity Got to topple Clive of India statue in the square first.... |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2020 16:01:25 GMT 1
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 8, 2020 16:26:42 GMT 1
exactly the fact they didnt sack that bloke means they can not now stand at the podium and condemn those anti- racist protestors who think putting lives at risk , criminal damage and taking the law into their own hands is more acceptable than something that was perfectly legal hundreds of years ago did I mention I think a lot of so called do-gooders are actually causing more harm than good. ? they may as well march protesting against herd immunity Got to topple Clive of India statue in the square first.... Couldn't agree more. Get that t**t removed as soon as possible. |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2020 16:29:13 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2020 16:37:31 GMT 1
Darwin next? If you read some of the articles about him.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2020 16:40:35 GMT 1
admiral benbow, you'll be looking for then deliberately dont serve bottles to deter big kids as well at little ones ;-) more of a courtyard than a garden though |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 8, 2020 17:06:15 GMT 1
Got to topple Clive of India statue in the square first.... Couldn't agree more. Get that t**t removed as soon as possible.  mate.... Dont believe in mob rule, they’ll be lynching some wrongdoer next.... Should be debated and voted on otherwise where do you stop. Plenty of characters in history you could target! |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 8, 2020 17:07:45 GMT 1
Darwin next? If you read some of the articles about him. Ha he thinks we all come from monkeys! I object 🙈🙉🙊 |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 8, 2020 17:09:38 GMT 1
Got to topple Clive of India statue in the square first.... Couldn't agree more. Get that t**t removed as soon as possible. almost 2 decades, 1.5 million posts on here, including one or 2 specifically about Clive , one of which in 2004 asking where he had gone ( presumably for restoration ), literally one mention that he was a bit of a thief but today he's a t**t and you want him gone asap until someone builds a time machine lets concentrate on changing future history |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 17:40:57 GMT 1
Find me a nice very very quiet one in Cheshire and I'll join you  |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2020 17:58:22 GMT 1
Find me a nice very very quiet one in Cheshire and I'll join you Barbridge Inn by the canal near Nantwich is one that comes to mind. Plenty of outdoor seating and you can watch the boats passing by. Tucked away off the main road so is missed by most. |
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mate....