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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2020 8:37:15 GMT 1
The truly unforgivable failures were the government's lack of preparedness for an epidemic other than flu; its inability to react to changing information; its pathetic struggle to source and deliver PPE; its refusal to cooperate effectively with the private sector; its failure to set up testing properly; and, worst of all, that care homes went unprotected and are still suffering huge death rates.
It seems clear we locked down too late. Rolling out testing has taken an age. The track and trace system is a mess. The decision to quarantine international arrivals came bizarrely late in the lockdown and now it’s being lifted despite more than 1800 cases of coronavirus per day and over 300 deaths. The UK now has more daily deaths from Covid-19 than the rest of the entire EU put together.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 4, 2020 9:11:58 GMT 1
www.newsweek.com/uk-has-more-coronavirus-deaths-one-day-all-eu-countries-combined-1508534"The United Kingdom on Wednesday reported that 359 additional people have died after contracting COVID-19. The daily number is higher than the combined total of COVID-19 deaths that the 27 countries in the European Union reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) for its June 3 situation report on the pandemic." this just highlights how far behind the curve the uk is but since hte uk has been behind the curve on every stage of covid-19 it cant be a suprise just more proof how incompetent our goverment has been
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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2020 9:27:19 GMT 1
Tens of thousands of Britons have had to be retested for coronavirus after a Whitehall decision to send swabs to a United States laboratory backfired, The Telegraph can disclose.
Ministers have admitted that 67,000 Covid-19 tests were sent to a lab in the US over 10 days at the beginning of last month, far more than the 50,000 previously admitted by officials.
Now it can be revealed that when they were returned to the UK, more than four in 10 — nearly 30,000 — were "voided" because of the way they had been processed.
The cost to the taxpayer is likely to have run into hundreds of thousands of pounds.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 4, 2020 9:31:29 GMT 1
I’ve bought my last 3 cars from Mitchell’s at Ellesmere Port, they have always had unaccompanied test drives. I must have bought at least a dozen new Mitsubishi cars from Gallaghers of Sandycroft. So I think they'd let me loose on a test drive! was this you. ?  www.motor1.com/news/368119/12-cars-given-away/ |
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 4, 2020 9:48:40 GMT 1
www.newsweek.com/uk-has-more-coronavirus-deaths-one-day-all-eu-countries-combined-1508534"The United Kingdom on Wednesday reported that 359 additional people have died after contracting COVID-19. The daily number is higher than the combined total of COVID-19 deaths that the 27 countries in the European Union reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) for its June 3 situation report on the pandemic." this just highlights how far behind the curve the uk is but since hte uk has been behind the curve on every stage of covid-19 it cant be a suprise just more proof how incompetent our goverment has been This is what taking back control looks like when you give that control to a bunch of hopeless chancers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 11:07:58 GMT 1
www.newsweek.com/uk-has-more-coronavirus-deaths-one-day-all-eu-countries-combined-1508534"The United Kingdom on Wednesday reported that 359 additional people have died after contracting COVID-19. The daily number is higher than the combined total of COVID-19 deaths that the 27 countries in the European Union reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) for its June 3 situation report on the pandemic." this just highlights how far behind the curve the uk is but since hte uk has been behind the curve on every stage of covid-19 it cant be a suprise just more proof how incompetent our goverment has been Something I've been saying quite a bit is our daily number is misleading, for example yesterday in England there were 328 new deaths reported . Of that number, there were 179 deaths in hospitals , however only 20 of these were actually in the previous 24 hours, 76 were over a week ago, of which 28 were in March/April. Those are still obviously horrible numbers which I'm not dismissing and adds to a a horrendous total which the government need to be held accountable for. And then you see reports like the below which show that there are questions over other countries approaches, had we had followed the Spanish approach, the English hospital figure for yesterday would be 20 new deaths, not 179, quite a difference. www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673 |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 4, 2020 15:29:41 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 4, 2020 17:41:28 GMT 1
www.newsweek.com/uk-has-more-coronavirus-deaths-one-day-all-eu-countries-combined-1508534"The United Kingdom on Wednesday reported that 359 additional people have died after contracting COVID-19. The daily number is higher than the combined total of COVID-19 deaths that the 27 countries in the European Union reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) for its June 3 situation report on the pandemic." this just highlights how far behind the curve the uk is but since hte uk has been behind the curve on every stage of covid-19 it cant be a suprise just more proof how incompetent our goverment has been Something I've been saying quite a bit is our daily number is misleading, for example yesterday in England there were 328 new deaths reported . Of that number, there were 179 deaths in hospitals , however only 20 of these were actually in the previous 24 hours, 76 were over a week ago, of which 28 were in March/April. Those are still obviously horrible numbers which I'm not dismissing and adds to a a horrendous total which the government need to be held accountable for. And then you see reports like the below which show that there are questions over other countries approaches, had we had followed the Spanish approach, the English hospital figure for yesterday would be 20 new deaths, not 179, quite a difference. www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673with so many countries using different ways to count the deaths how can you really get an acurate figure. the only way to get an idea of the true scale is to look at the excessl deaths over the average deaths for the last five years. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/almost-55000-excess-uk-deaths-during-covid-19-outbreak-says-ons"The number of excess deaths registered in the UK during the Covid-19 outbreak has risen to just under 55,000, according to official figures" this figure will rise as all hte data comes in. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 5, 2020 8:01:56 GMT 1
had someone from the goverment on BBC1 trying to say that hte underground was not crowded and the media keep recyclin selected images! disingenuous to say the least. i turned it off as he was just irritating me.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 5, 2020 8:23:05 GMT 1
from the mail
"Report into 'Exercise Iris' in Scotland was shared with advisory group last June It highlighted 'unease' among frontline staff over personal protective equipment Exercise in March 2018 also raised fears over the demands of contact tracing
Outcomes were shared in June 2019 with Nervtag which advises UK politicians"
"Britain had a 'clear gap' in its preparedness for a coronavirus pandemic, according to an exercise held two years ago which simulated an outbreak.A report into 'Exercise Iris' in Scotland, which was shared with a UK government advisory group in June last year, also revealed the 'need for substantive progress'.
Additionally, it highlighted 'unease' among frontline staff over personal protective equipment – an area which has turned out to be a key concern during the pandemic.It also raised concerns over the demands of contact tracing, with one scenario in the exercise about 'escalating resource requirements for contact tracing and follow up'."
neither the SNP or the goverment come out of this well. if the goverment had implemented some measuers we would have been a lot better prepared. as it is they ignored yet another report and they all should be held accountable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 9:50:12 GMT 1
Something I've been saying quite a bit is our daily number is misleading, for example yesterday in England there were 328 new deaths reported . Of that number, there were 179 deaths in hospitals , however only 20 of these were actually in the previous 24 hours, 76 were over a week ago, of which 28 were in March/April. Those are still obviously horrible numbers which I'm not dismissing and adds to a a horrendous total which the government need to be held accountable for. And then you see reports like the below which show that there are questions over other countries approaches, had we had followed the Spanish approach, the English hospital figure for yesterday would be 20 new deaths, not 179, quite a difference. www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673with so many countries using different ways to count the deaths how can you really get an acurate figure. the only way to get an idea of the true scale is to look at the excessl deaths over the average deaths for the last five years. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/almost-55000-excess-uk-deaths-during-covid-19-outbreak-says-ons"The number of excess deaths registered in the UK during the Covid-19 outbreak has risen to just under 55,000, according to official figures" this figure will rise as all hte data comes in. An interesting release from the ONS about excess deaths this morning |
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Post by shrewder on Jun 5, 2020 11:57:08 GMT 1
ONS Latest figures show 0.1% of community infected in England. So the likelihood of being in close contact with a person for more than 10 minutes who has the virus is very unlikely. So we are now at one in 1000 that currently has the virus.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 5, 2020 12:13:56 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2020 9:31:23 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jun 6, 2020 11:26:13 GMT 1
So much of what has been announced appears to have been done without consultation or thought.
My older daughter who is a teacher says the school had 42 different guidance documents issued in the 25 days after the return to schools was announced. During this time the government refused to talk to teacher's leaders
I have today received an email from my dentist saying he had no notice that surgeries were to reopen on Monday. He received his guidance from the government at midnight on Thursday giving one working day to prepare. As dentists and hygienists will need respirators to safely carry out most of their work he doesn't know when they will be able to offer anything more than advice and painkillers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 15:54:33 GMT 1
It's worrying that the R rate is now back above 1 in certain parts of the country.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2020 16:17:06 GMT 1
It's worrying that the R rate is now back above 1 in certain parts of the country. ve celebrations kicking in ? |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 6, 2020 16:38:06 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8326429/UKs-antibody-testing-fiasco-exposed-PHE-test-misses-cases.htmlGovt ordered £90million of sub-par commercial antibody tests. Study found a test being used by PHE may only be 67 per cent accurate. Scientists claim another test, made by Roche, was shown light touch by officials. Companies were offered huge deals based on just handfuls of results, critic says. Smaller companies say Department of Health would not communicate with them. Other countries tested early on while firms battled UK's 'challenging' standard. It isn't getting any better. PHE really don't come out of this too well.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2020 18:00:09 GMT 1
It's worrying that the R rate is now back above 1 in certain parts of the country. unfortently with large gatherings of people who seem oblivious to social distancing it is not a suprise |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 18:06:57 GMT 1
It's worrying that the R rate is now back above 1 in certain parts of the country. unfortently with large gatherings of people who seem oblivious to social distancing it is not a suprise It really does defeat the object of going into lockdown in the first place. The numbers gathered at the protest in Manchester today, for example. Just cause, yes but if we see a spike in new cases in the north west over the coming weeks then will it be worth it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 18:13:27 GMT 1
I have today received an email from my dentist saying he had no notice that surgeries were to reopen on Monday. He received his guidance from the government at midnight on Thursday giving one working day to prepare. As dentists and hygienists will need respirators to safely carry out most of their work he doesn't know when they will be able to offer anything more than advice and painkillers. We've received a similar e mail from our dental practice. Initially they are going to be offering a very restricted service. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2020 18:44:37 GMT 1
from the mail
"Nearly 30 leading experts have demanded public inquiry into shortcomings Second wave will be more deadly if minsters don't address them, they warn Sent letter to PM in another sign of growing gulf between ministers and experts;
In a scathing letter published last night, the signatories criticised the Government's control freakery approach to testing and unwillingness to devolve responsibility to local public health bodies.
They also ripped into ministers for their 'inability to plan for necessary goods' such personal protective equipment (PPE) for NHS and care home workers. Among the signatories were ex SAGE scientist, Professor Deenan Pillay, a virologist at University College London, and Professor Anthony Costello, a former World Health Organization (WHO) director and a global health expert at UCL.
The editors of two prestigious medical journals have also put their name to the letter – Richard Horton of the Lancet and Fiona Godlee of the British Medical Journal.It is the latest sign of brewing tensions between ministers and the country's top scientists."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 6, 2020 18:47:38 GMT 1
this protest is understandable but a large black lives mater protest in london with many thousands of protesters in london all packed together bearing in mind a liverpool game and a horse race lead to a seven fold spike in cases ,such a large protest will bound to lead in a spike in cases.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2020 18:52:39 GMT 1
unfortently with large gatherings of people who seem oblivious to social distancing it is not a suprise It really does defeat the object of going into lockdown in the first place. The numbers gathered at the protest in Manchester today, for example. Just cause, yes but if we see a spike in new cases in the north west over the coming weeks then will it be worth it? yes, thats the kind of thing that is really annoying me too and those are the 'sensible' protesters if only they stayed at home and concentrated on 'all lives matter' instead |
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 6, 2020 19:00:38 GMT 1
If there's a second wave then the finger of blame should be pointed at these idiots on the streets up and down the country, not the government. These "protestors" breaking distancing rules are an absolute disgrace.
I believe the protest in the quarry was totally distance and peaceful to which I applaud those involved.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jun 6, 2020 19:40:02 GMT 1
If there's a second wave then the finger of blame should be pointed at these idiots on the streets up and down the country, not the government. These "protestors" breaking distancing rules are an absolute disgrace. I believe the protest in the quarry was totally distance and peaceful to which I applaud those involved. What have the protesters today got to do with all the failings in PPE and the R rate already increasing before they started?! |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 6, 2020 19:52:28 GMT 1
Funny that dentists are saying they had no notice about opening on Monday, as it was announced the week before last. Surely they knew they were going to open some time and should have given at least some thought to it? Do these professionals need to be spoon fed?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2020 20:16:13 GMT 1
If there's a second wave then the finger of blame should be pointed at these idiots on the streets up and down the country, not the government. These "protestors" breaking distancing rules are an absolute disgrace. I believe the protest in the quarry was totally distance and peaceful to which I applaud those involved. its a risk that is totally unnecessary covid 19 can travel a lot further than 2 meters and ignores social distancing |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 22:44:53 GMT 1
this protest is understandable but a large black lives mater protest in london with many thousands of protesters in london all packed together bearing in mind a liverpool game and a horse race lead to a seven fold spike in cases ,such a large protest will bound to lead in a spike in cases. Are you sure about this...... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2020 23:26:10 GMT 1
Oh, I dunno.
Maybe all the people protesting today saw the congas on VE Day and people packed on the beaches and thought, well good enough for them, good enough for us.
Then of course there's Cummings testing his eyesight...
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