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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 11:16:57 GMT 1
Coronavirus: Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392Also SAGE have realeased minutes of 34 meetings going back to 22nd January. Something for Northwestman to get his teeth into!! This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule.
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2020 11:59:38 GMT 1
Coronavirus: Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392Also SAGE have realeased minutes of 34 meetings going back to 22nd January. Something for Northwestman to get his teeth into!! This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule. I'm hearing reports that the Mere at Ellesmere is heaving with visitors, some of whom are swimming in the lake despite the presence of algae which might well upset their digestive systems. I doubt there's too much social distancing going on at the little kiosk which sells ice cream and sweets either. Apart from pubs, restaurants and hairdressers not being open and sport still being badly affected, the lockdown seems over for quite a few.
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2020 12:08:16 GMT 1
'The test, trace, isolate system that we need to keep people safe is not yet fully functional.
The NHSX app is delayed for an unknown period. For seven days straight, the government has been unable to provide even basic data about the number of people tested.
On top of these failings, public health messaging has been badly undermined as people see it’s one rule for the Tory elite and another for everyone else.
Given this chaos, measures to lift lockdown appear premature'.
Munira Wilson - Lib Dems Health Spokesperson.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 30, 2020 12:10:22 GMT 1
Coronavirus: Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392Also SAGE have realeased minutes of 34 meetings going back to 22nd January. Something for Northwestman to get his teeth into!! This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule. unfortently common sense has been in short supply ,if a % of people will not comply with self isolation a key tool in reducing the spread has been ignored then we are going to be the sick person of europe. some snadinavian countrys have not allowed flights from Sweden due to the number of people ill with covid and we may get the same treatment. From the Mail Only about half of people with coronavirus symptoms self-isolate for a week, scientists advising the Government have suggested, raising concerns over whether future outbreaks can be prevented. The disclosure of low compliance with self-isolation - a key rule in curbing the spread of Covid-19 - comes days before the lockdown is eased. Under the NHS test and trace programme, people in England will be told to quarantine themselves for two weeks, even if they don't show symptoms, if they come into contact with someone who has tested positive. A document released on Friday shows behavioural experts informing the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) warned of the low compliance seen on a Department of Health and Social Care tracker.
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2020 12:30:02 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 30, 2020 12:35:05 GMT 1
Coronavirus: Risk in UK lockdown easing too soon, warn scientists www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52858392Also SAGE have realeased minutes of 34 meetings going back to 22nd January. Something for Northwestman to get his teeth into!! This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule. i wish i could share your wishful thinking but i am a pessamist ! i do think that small rural areas who still have a comunity spirite are more likly to to adhere to the 2m rule and we have seen numerous rural comunitys in wales been rightly vocal at people from outside the area trying to go there second homes or think it is ok to descend in large numbers on beauty spots.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 12:41:09 GMT 1
This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule. I'm hearing reports that the Mere at Ellesmere is heaving with visitors, some of whom are swimming in the lake despite the presence of algae which might well upset their digestive systems. I doubt there's too much social distancing going on at the little kiosk which sells ice cream and sweets either. Apart from pubs, restaurants and hairdressers not being open and sport still being badly affected, the lockdown seems over for quite a few. Until we get the second wave 🤔
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2020 12:45:39 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 30, 2020 13:00:42 GMT 1
This is an absolutely damning part of the SAGE reports. No wonder all the A&E Departments are virtually deserted!
'Up to a quarter of Covid-19 who need medical treatment caught the virus in hospital, government advisers warned.
And SPI-M told ministers the figure - compiled from 'several sources' - suggested this figure was 'highly likely' to be an under-estimate.
Scientists revealed their estimate, submitted on April 20, did not include people who acquire infection in hospital, leave and are then readmitted'.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 13:02:24 GMT 1
This weekend could well be the acid test in terms of whether or not the lockdown measures have been eased too soon. Wishful thinking perhaps but I just hope that people apply common sense and continue to adhere to the 2m rule. i wish i could share your wishful thinking but i am a pessamist ! i do think that small rural areas who still have a comunity spirite are more likly to to adhere to the 2m rule and we have seen numerous rural comunitys in wales been rightly vocal at people from outside the area trying to go there second homes or think it is ok to descend in large numbers on beauty spots. Well I've just had to abort my morning walk along the canal as social distancing has well and truly gone out of the window. I just didn't feel safe 😒 so I turned back.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 30, 2020 13:36:02 GMT 1
I'm not sure if I'm fit to drive or not, does anyone fancy nipping with me to Wolverhampton and back just as a quick test Should have gone to Specsavers, but I suppose he couldn't at the moment.
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Post by ssshrew on May 30, 2020 14:32:06 GMT 1
Look in the bright side. If common sense and scientific advisers finally get through to the muppet and people break social distancing rules this weekend, the muppet can alter everything he has announced he blame the public rather than his ignorance.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 30, 2020 16:35:00 GMT 1
the emerging picture seems to indicate regional differences with England R number only jusst under 1 ,Wales seem to be adopting a more cautious aprroach to England whilst having a lower R number , since the goverments mantra is we are following scientific advice , why do they seem to be ignoring the science now ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52574859"What is the R number in Wales? It is still just below 1. The latest analysis from experts at the Welsh Government's Technical Advisory Cell (Tac) on 26 May suggested the rate of reproduction or R remained between 0.7 and 1, "but still below 1". First Minister Mark Drakeford said on 29 May: "We think the R level is 0.8 the same as three weeks ago". Although it had not got worse "the room for manoeuvre remains limited in Wales", he said." www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/15/regional-differences-in-covid-19-transmission-rate-emerge-in-england"The latest official estimate places the national R value – the rate at which people are passing on infections to others – at between 0.7 and 1. An R value above 1 means the epidemic will start to grow exponentially again, which would result in a new surge of cases. It raises questions about the extent to which restrictions can be safely eased in coming weeks. In his address on Sunday, Boris Johnson said: “We have the R below 1, between 0.5 and 0.9 – but potentially only just below 1.”
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 30, 2020 16:40:39 GMT 1
this might explain why shropshire covid-19 deaths do not appear to be slowing down www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/05/30/more-care-homes-hit-by-coronavirus-figures-show/More care homes in Shropshire have been hit by the coronavirus, new figures reveal. "It comes as new data suggests less than a quarter of care home residents have received a test for Covid-19 since the pandemic started, despite the Government's pledge to test every resident by “early June”. Public Health England (PHE) data reveals 39 of the 120 care homes in the Shropshire Council area had reported a confirmed or suspected case of Covid-19 up to May 17, and 16 out of 40 in Telford & Wrekin. The Shropshire figure is up from the 35 which had reported outbreaks up to May 3, and also up in Telford – from 13. PHE's data contains no indication of whether the reported outbreaks are still active." "Meanwhile new data shows that 48 out of the 74 Covid-19 deaths recorded in Shrewsbury and Telford's hospitals in April were of patients who had been admitted from care homes." which means the death rate in care homes are THREE times the general public rates of death. equally if they are not all getting tested you will only the real rate when they factor additional deaths to previous yearly averages .
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 31, 2020 8:29:57 GMT 1
from the mail "Britain abandoned test and tracing for the coronavirus earlier in the pandemic because the system could only cope with five cases a week, it has emerged. Official documents from the Government's Sage advisory committee reveal that the routine testing and tracing of contacts of people with the virus was stopped because Public Health England was facing a desperate shortage of capacity.
Since the first Covid-19 cases were confirmed in York on January 31, 272,826 people in the UK have since tested positive for the virus. This week the Government launched the NHS England's Test and Trace programme, with 25,000 contact tracing staff and the capacity to trace the 10,000 contacts per day.
The decision to scrap routine testing for those displaying symptoms 12 weeks ago is now being seen as a major factor for how the UK has the fifth-highest total number of infections. "
FIVE cases a week this highlights how some departments are not fit for purpose and yet again how little the uk prepared for covid-19 despit having a window of time to do so.
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Post by stfcfan87 on May 31, 2020 9:33:29 GMT 1
from the mail "Britain abandoned test and tracing for the coronavirus earlier in the pandemic because the system could only cope with five cases a week, it has emerged. Official documents from the Government's Sage advisory committee reveal that the routine testing and tracing of contacts of people with the virus was stopped because Public Health England was facing a desperate shortage of capacity. Since the first Covid-19 cases were confirmed in York on January 31, 272,826 people in the UK have since tested positive for the virus. This week the Government launched the NHS England's Test and Trace programme, with 25,000 contact tracing staff and the capacity to trace the 10,000 contacts per day. The decision to scr@p routine testing for those displaying symptoms 12 weeks ago is now being seen as a major factor for how the UK has the fifth-highest total number of infections. " FIVE cases a week this highlights how some departments are not fit for purpose and yet again how little the uk prepared for covid-19 despit having a window of time to do so. Who'd have thought cutting millions from public health for years and years would have consequences
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Post by armchairfan on May 31, 2020 12:45:50 GMT 1
Further to my earlier post with regards to the possible consequences of the lockdown, I was chatting to my bus-driver yesterday, and asked him when things might get back to normal, and he said that there were rumours at Arriva that things would NEVER return to the pre-Covid situation. Obviously, at this stage it is a totally unsubstantiated rumour, but I did mention in my post that the destruction of public transport could be something for the not-to-distant future.....
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2020 13:07:29 GMT 1
Further to my earlier post with regards to the possible consequences of the lockdown, I was chatting to my bus-driver yesterday, and asked him when things might get back to normal, and he said that there were rumours at Arriva that things would NEVER return to the pre-Covid situation. Obviously, at this stage it is a totally unsubstantiated rumour, but I did mention in my post that the destruction of public transport could be something for the not-to-distant future.... Yes, public transport in the big towns might move more towards the "Boris bike" and individual electric pods. Buses used around the countryside don't get big crowds, you separate the driver, use cards to pay and take out a few seats. The rush hour will have to be staggered - look at the train from Telford snd Stafford at 08.00 to Birmingham and you will see what I mean. Those 52 seat coaches full of kids on the way to school, I don't know how you can get round that one - there are not really any spare coaches at school times.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 31, 2020 14:18:00 GMT 1
The UK is at level 4 state of alert and is doing level 2 and level 1. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 14:41:32 GMT 1
Further to my earlier post with regards to the possible consequences of the lockdown, I was chatting to my bus-driver yesterday, and asked him when things might get back to normal, and he said that there were rumours at Arriva that things would NEVER return to the pre-Covid situation. Obviously, at this stage it is a totally unsubstantiated rumour, but I did mention in my post that the destruction of public transport could be something for the not-to-distant future..... Prior to lockdown we had a twice weekly minibus service through the villages to Chester, Countess of Chester Hospital and Cheshire Oaks. After a lot of promotion as a community we started to get a positive take up of the service. My fear is that we will lose this essential service when we get back to some level of normality as villagers have got used to home deliveries and use of their own vehicles. I just hope that I am wrong.
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Post by davycrockett on May 31, 2020 14:47:04 GMT 1
Look in the bright side. If common sense and scientific advisers finally get through to the muppet and people break social distancing rules this weekend, the muppet can alter everything he has announced he blame the public rather than his ignorance. Doesn’t work that way. We’re at war with the virus, if a General looses a battle he can’t blame the troops or even his officers, the person who makes the final decision on tactics is ultimately responsible, credit if it goes well, replaced if not. Just need the good folk of Britain to wake up and realise Boris is a jolly good egg and will promise what you want but very little intelligence at deciding what’s the best advice.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 31, 2020 14:48:13 GMT 1
Further to my earlier post with regards to the possible consequences of the lockdown, I was chatting to my bus-driver yesterday, and asked him when things might get back to normal, and he said that there were rumours at Arriva that things would NEVER return to the pre-Covid situation. Obviously, at this stage it is a totally unsubstantiated rumour, but I did mention in my post that the destruction of public transport could be something for the not-to-distant future..... Prior to lockdown we had a twice weekly minibus service through the villages to Chester, Countess of Chester Hospital and Cheshire Oaks. After a lot of promotion as a community we started to get a positive take up of the service. My fear is that we will lose this essential service when we get back to some level of normality as villagers have got used to home deliveries and use of their own vehicles. I just hope that I am wrong. after all that work i hope it stays but i see a number of buses as i go for my walk and a lot are empty and the most i have seen so far is five on a bus.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 31, 2020 14:52:05 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 31, 2020 14:55:34 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2020 14:58:57 GMT 1
Stupidity will not be one of the things we see from those who have shielded for the last 12 weeks. Nobody is going to throw away all that effort by joining in with the current high jinks, just because Boris says you can. Though they might just let themselves have a social distance walk or see their relatives at a social distance.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 17:55:28 GMT 1
No social distancing evident in Trafalgar Square today.
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2020 19:57:17 GMT 1
No social distancing evident in Trafalgar Square today. There won't be on the London Underground either. Impossible.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2020 20:20:41 GMT 1
No social distancing evident in Trafalgar Square today. There was none on the beaches either.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 31, 2020 20:45:05 GMT 1
This is an absolutely damning part of the SAGE reports. No wonder all the A&E Departments are virtually deserted! 'Up to a quarter of Covid-19 who need medical treatment caught the virus in hospital, government advisers warned. And SPI-M told ministers the figure - compiled from 'several sources' - suggested this figure was 'highly likely' to be an under-estimate. Scientists revealed their estimate, submitted on April 20, did not include people who acquire infection in hospital, leave and are then readmitted'. I'm still of the opinion that the Nightingale units should have stayed open (if they can be staffed) and should take all the Covid cases, leaving standard hospitals to be standard hospitals.
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Post by northwestman on May 31, 2020 21:03:46 GMT 1
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