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Post by darkshrew on May 19, 2020 13:57:35 GMT 1
Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown. Isn't there a drive through testing centre at our beloved stadium? Either way, it is concerning. I read somewhere that the expectation is that there are some areas like Shropshire that avoided the first peak, by and large (speculation that peak infections was during the flooding in Shrewsbury meaning less commuting to more affected areas like black country and Birmingham), but will be very vulnerable in the event (certainty now surely?) of a second peak due to the lack of immunity built up. Still, R rate in London's nice and low though, so there we go. I thought there was a drive through at the stadium too (heard on this board) - but it is not listed on the government website for either public or NHS testing centres & saw no evidence when we drove past yesterday. Does anyone know ?
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Post by davycrockett on May 19, 2020 14:01:39 GMT 1
Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown. Isn't there a drive through testing centre at our beloved stadium? Either way, it is concerning. I read somewhere that the expectation is that there are some areas like Shropshire that avoided the first peak, by and large (speculation that peak infections was during the flooding in Shrewsbury meaning less commuting to more affected areas like black country and Birmingham), but will be very vulnerable in the event (certainty now surely?) of a second peak due to the lack of immunity built up. Still, R rate in London's nice and low though, so there we go. It’s an assessment centre, they take your temperature listen to your symptoms and decide if you need a test Or not . Not regally any use now you can make your own decision, if you think you’ve got symptoms book a postal test.
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 14:43:34 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/19/failure-to-explain-uks-halt-to-mass-covid-19-testing-in-march-unacceptableThe failure to explain why the government took the significant and consequential decision to drop community testing at the start of the coronavirus outbreak is unacceptable, MPs have said in a damning letter to Boris Johnson. The science and technology committee’s investigation into the early handling of the pandemic calls for Public Health England to explain the scientific reasoning behind abandoning mass testing to concentrate instead on testing limited numbers in its own laboratories. We'd all like the answer to this one!
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 15:20:27 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 15:36:04 GMT 1
Hancock's explanation as to why hospital patients with Covid-19 or not having been tested for Covid-19 were returned to care homes: "It’s important to remember that hospital can be a dangerous place for people, as well as saving lives. It also can carry risks and does and so it is appropriate in many cases for people to be discharged from hospital and safer for them to go to a care home". Well, that certainly takes the biscuit! The real reason can be found here: On March 17, Sir Simon Stevens, the NHS chief executive, said hospitals had to get NHS beds cleared, so they needed to get 30,000 people out. So they sent patients with no tests into care homes. They said: “We don’t need tests — you’ve just got to take them.” Hospitals also allegedly sent patients known to have Covid-19 to care homes. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hospitals-knew-elderly-patients-coronavirus-22001069
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 15:42:20 GMT 1
From a top cardiologist at a London hospital:
"We discharged known, suspected, and unknown cases into care homes which were unprepared, with no formal warning that the patients were infected, no testing available, and no PPE to prevent transmission. We actively seeded this into the very population that was most vulnerable.”
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 16:01:25 GMT 1
Coronavirus is costing this country a fortune. But, thanks to the way care home transnission has been handled, there will be a lot less state pensions to pay.
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 16:36:50 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 18:42:02 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 22:45:38 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 20, 2020 8:19:37 GMT 1
Interesting that the article says the lockdown should have started on 18th March. Mrs ST and I started our personal lockdown on 16th March based on worry about news from Italy.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 20, 2020 10:04:09 GMT 1
Interesting that the article says the lockdown should have started on 18th March. Mrs ST and I started our personal lockdown on 16th March based on worry about news from Italy. The very first post in this thread highlighted Mr Hancock's plan: "Containment - caring for any infected people and identifying their close contacts Delay - deciding what actions to take to slow down the spread Mitigation - damage limitation if the virus spreads widely Research - constant and ongoing work to inform the three other phases Currently, the UK is in the "containment" phase - which health leaders say may still be sufficient." Did we identify close contacts? Did we stay in delay too long, why delay at all?
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Post by northwestman on May 20, 2020 12:47:29 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on May 20, 2020 14:09:31 GMT 1
The cut backs continue, 9000 might be sacked at Rolls Royce. The aviation industry may never be the same again. Plus, of course, it's much easier to operate a socially distanced workplace if you don't employ so many. Another opportunistic set of sackings to blame Coronavirus for.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 20, 2020 18:08:05 GMT 1
when i go for my walks and during them see a number of buses whilst the ones i have seen dont have many passengers ( i am sure that will quickly change) i am very suprised to as yet not see a driver wearing any masks.
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Post by Pilch on May 20, 2020 18:27:43 GMT 1
when i go for my walks and during them see a number of buses whilst the ones i have seen dont have many passengers ( i am sure that will quickly change) i am very suprised to as yet not see a driver wearing any masks. they have all probably had it already, seems to be a bad professions to be in at the moment or at least at the start when we didn't see it coming
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Post by northwestman on May 20, 2020 20:35:18 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 20, 2020 20:59:14 GMT 1
good news and long overdue bearing in mind Taiwan have been doing it since the 8th of April 44 days before the uk .at every stage our goverment have behind other counrtrys.
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Post by northwestman on May 21, 2020 12:15:40 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 21, 2020 15:24:32 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 22, 2020 10:30:29 GMT 1
www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/03/25/coronavirus-latest-number-of-deaths-and-confirmed-cases-in-shropshire-telford-and-mid-wales/Combined Shropshire and Telford Cases: 1,111 Combined deaths: 245 (+1) Total hospital deaths: 146 (+1) Deaths at Shrewsbury and Telford Hospital Trust: 129 (0) Deaths at The Robert Jones and Agnes Hunt Orthopaedic Hospital near Oswestry: 5 (0) Deaths at Shropshire Community Health Trust: 12 (+1) Care home deaths: 99 Shropshire Cases: 761 Care home deaths: 62 Telford & Wrekin Cases: 350 Care home deaths: 37 whilst total deaths are still low compared to other areas it does not appear showes any sign of slowing down,it seemed to go up relativley quckly from a 100 to 200 and we seems to get 3 to 4 deaths at hte ebginning of the week which is as a result of the weekend figuers coming through equally as we now are including covid-19 deaths from residential homes( i am speculating) this may be fulling the steady numbers . i know that in powys deaths from residential homes are sadly very significant. Coronavirus: More than 11,000 deaths in care homes - BBC ...www.bbc.co.uk › news › health-52721737 But for the second week running, the review of death certificates by statisticians showed the number of new deaths has fallen. In the week to 8 May, there were 1,940 care home deaths linked to coronavirus - down from 2,800 the week before. Overall, care home deaths account for over a quarter of the virus fatalities. it appears that you will get localised variations , i cant find the link but read somwhere that they had looked at what the normal mortalities would be for the time period of the covid-19 pandemic and the uk has an extra 55,000 deaths whilst the official death toll is 36,042 sourced from www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/21/english-death-rate-now-at-normal-winter-levels-as-coronavirus-deaths-fallDeaths rates in England have fallen to the same level as in an average winter as the devastating impact of coronavirus wanes, the chief medical officer has said. The number of Covid-related deaths has fallen sharply since a peak last month, and the number of people in hospital with the virus has fallen below 9,000, compared with more than 20,000 in mid-April. this article showes some encouraging news but we know we will have to learn to live with the covid-19 and changes in how things are run will soon be the norm as we slowly get back to work as lockdown eases. the concern is how this virus contunes to mutrate with a new mutated version emerging in china ; www.express.co.uk/news/world/1263810/coronavirus-news-china-wuhan-infectious-virus-shedding-covid-19-mutant-mutation"SCIENTISTS in China fear a newly discovered, mutant coronavirus which causes sufferers to be infectious for well over a month - further complicating the fight against the disease." "A team of researchers led by Dr Li Tan, of the General Hospital of Central Theater Command of PLA in Wuhan, made their announcement on medRxiv, a scientific website on to which medical papers are uploaded prior to being printed and scrutinised by peers. Their report details the case of a middle-aged made suffering from COVID-19 who remained contagious for 49 days, something never previously recorded - and may even have formed a "symbiotic relationship" with the virus. His symptoms were mild during all that time - yet he continued to shed the virus, and was eventually injected with the blood of somebody who had fully recovered, after which he shook the disease off."
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Post by staffordshrew on May 22, 2020 10:36:48 GMT 1
We have a plan on a page, three word slogan, government. That's not the end of the world, it's just important that those who implement these plans put the common sense in place.
We saw it with the police and lockdown, mostly common sense policing.
With the return to work, good employers would surely say don't rush to work until the public transport and workplace social distancing is in place. Councils should expect a lot more cars parked up by workers, They could allow parking in a lot of places not "normally" allowed, for example, with the High Street shut, you could park there. Some councils, of course just stuck by the old rules and issued loads of parking tickets.
With school return, again, common sense required. Cheshire are saying they will wait another 4 weeks and if that's what is needed in their area then so be it. Then there is the return of year groups, up until this year, Year 6 would have done SATs, then gone off on outward bound holidays and secondary school visits. Do they really need any more school at primary level? By now they have mostly outgrown the place. All they need is an introduction to the secondary school and what will be expected of them there, how they will collect work on line and hand it in, etc. Maybe a little catch up for those lagging behind at this stage - the non fluent readers and those whose maths is bad.
Need an app for tracing? They just outsource that - we'll see how that goes.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 22, 2020 11:54:20 GMT 1
Many practical problems for schools to overcome, my daughters school has had a building inspection by the local authority and were told that they could have only 25% of normal pupil numbers in at a time because of social distancing.
Some sad news from a doctor friend, he is so fed up with the public ignoring guidelines since lockdown easing that he is resigning from practicing medicine. He isn’t prepared to risk his life when people refuse to follow advice.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 22, 2020 12:10:07 GMT 1
Many practical problems for schools to overcome, my daughters school has had a building inspection by the local authority and were told that they could have only 25% of normal pupil numbers in at a time because of social distancing. Some sad news from a doctor friend, he is so fed up with the public ignoring guidelines since lockdown easing that he is resigning from practicing medicine. He isn’t prepared to risk his life when people refuse to follow advice. we cant afford to lose any doctors , i understand his frustration my daughter is a paramedic in brighton and despit it having been one of the uk's early hotspots , she gets frustrated that huge numbers are ignoring social distancing and the sea front is packed as many people treat the lockdown as a holiday.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 22, 2020 13:59:38 GMT 1
Bank Holiday weekend and what would have been Half Term coming up isn't it? Expect a lot more treating lockdown as a holiday and ignoring the rules. Is it such a good idea to get the youngsters back in school just when the contagious phase might be coming up for next week's lockdown rule breakers?
Meanwhile, Shell joins the leaner workforce brigade, asking for volunters for redundancy and cutting recruitment. The workplace is not going to be a place of mass gathering at this rate.
Will 55 and upwards teachers be thinking about early retirement too?
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 22, 2020 14:37:01 GMT 1
this morning gave an interview to an NHS oncologist Prof Sikora who has a very different view point on covid -19 and he belives that this virus will burn itself out. he mentioned that he felt fear was leading to irrational decisions and hampering the uk's recovery. the issue that he touched on from his own area that really hit home, was that the normal pathways to cancer, cancer screening, diagnosis and treatment had virually stoped and this could contribute to 50,000 deaths by sepetmember.
if you then add people with heart conditions not having surgery, diabetics not have having screening appointments for there feet and eyes, there are other chronic conditions that are not getting there normal follow up's then i would assume complications from these conditions will increase and premature deaths will be a consequence .
which proably means that more people will die due to this than covid-19
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 22, 2020 15:31:41 GMT 1
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-home-testing-kits-covid-19-uk-boris-johnson-a9528136.html"Up to half of government coronavirus home tests never returned, officials admit,Significant numbers of home-testing kits sent out under the government's Covid-19 programme are not being used, officials have admitted – throwing fresh doubt on the government's figures. The UK's testing tsar on Friday admitted that the number of kits being sent back was not as high as health authorities would like and said steps were being taken to increase the rate. Home test kits have comprised a large part in the government's rapid increase in the daily number of tests carried out, as ministers faced criticism that Britain was lagging behind the rest of the world."
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 22, 2020 15:35:40 GMT 1
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/passengers-heathrow-airport-finally-having-22067012"The temperature checks have come in almost four months after the outbreak hit Britain and are being limited to a trial in an immigration hall at Terminal 2" Four months ! what the hell do they mean limited for a trial. they should have had this at every port, euro tunnel and airport four months ago. the incompetence of this goverment is mind boggling "Airport chief executive John Holland-Kaye called for a “common international standard” for health screening at airports to be agreed worldwide. He said: “As one of the world’s great trading nations, the UK should take a lead in setting a global plan to reopen borders, when it is safe to do so." just as well i was not eating when i read great trading nation!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2020 18:29:31 GMT 1
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-home-testing-kits-covid-19-uk-boris-johnson-a9528136.html"Up to half of government coronavirus home tests never returned, officials admit,Significant numbers of home-testing kits sent out under the government's Covid-19 programme are not being used, officials have admitted – throwing fresh doubt on the government's figures. The UK's testing tsar on Friday admitted that the number of kits being sent back was not as high as health authorities would like and said steps were being taken to increase the rate. Home test kits have comprised a large part in the government's rapid increase in the daily number of tests carried out, as ministers faced criticism that Britain was lagging behind the rest of the world." A fine if not returned within 7 days will start sorting it out.... either used or unused....
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Post by Worthingshrew on May 22, 2020 21:42:40 GMT 1
this morning gave an interview to an NHS oncologist Prof Sikora who has a very different view point on covid -19 and he belives that this virus will burn itself out. he mentioned that he felt fear was leading to irrational decisions and hampering the uk's recovery. the issue that he touched on from his own area that really hit home, was that the normal pathways to cancer, cancer screening, diagnosis and treatment had virually stoped and this could contribute to 50,000 deaths by sepetmember. if you then add people with heart conditions not having surgery, diabetics not have having screening appointments for there feet and eyes, there are other chronic conditions that are not getting there normal follow up's then i would assume complications from these conditions will increase and premature deaths will be a consequence . which proably means that more people will die due to this than covid-19 It’s a certainty that more people will die from the lockdown that from Covid, many of which will come years down the line, and for which this Govt will not directly be held responsible. There will be deaths in 2060 as a result of people not getting screening, immunisations, and other general health advice such as smoking cessation services at this time.
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