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Post by zenfootball2 on May 18, 2020 17:12:54 GMT 1
lockdown has only started to be lifted and you have wonder how stupid people can be, social distancing what social distancing ? in two weeks time we will get a spike because many people dont have any common sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 17:14:53 GMT 1
Lord Ashcroft, born in 1946.
Enough said....
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Post by staffordshrew on May 18, 2020 23:58:47 GMT 1
so today anyone over the age of 5 with loss of sense of smell or loss of taste can get tested good news for some b&a members next week they will include anyone with loss of common sense or loss of sense of humour ;-) You will be in then, on at least one count.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 19, 2020 7:26:10 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 19, 2020 7:28:48 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-st-davids-coronavirus-intu-18270798"The part-owner of Cardiff's St David's shopping centre has warned it could default on its debts. Intu, which owns some of the biggest shopping centres in the UK, previously warned that it could go bust unless it raises extra funds. With the coronavirus lockdown forcing stores across the UK to close, landlords such as Intu have been left struggling." it makes you wonder about the two shopping centers in town.
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Post by darkshrew on May 19, 2020 7:49:32 GMT 1
Watching the number of infections; Shropshire has been showing the steepest rises of any area in the past week with around a 10% increase each day.
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Post by shrewder on May 19, 2020 8:16:09 GMT 1
Watching the number of infections; Shropshire has been showing the steepest rises of any area in the past week with around a 10% increase each day. Need to also compare number of tests carried out in other areas to get a true comparison.
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Post by shrewinspain on May 19, 2020 8:19:17 GMT 1
Watching the number of infections; Shropshire has been showing the steepest rises of any area in the past week with around a 10% increase each day. But as long as London and the South East are ok then Boris will ease the lockdown because that is all they care about.
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Post by darkshrew on May 19, 2020 8:22:16 GMT 1
Watching the number of infections; Shropshire has been showing the steepest rises of any area in the past week with around a 10% increase each day. Need to also compare number of tests carried out in other areas to get a true comparison. Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown.
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 9:09:03 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 19, 2020 9:34:02 GMT 1
the goverment has rightly been crticized for is lack of transparency and is the news item just a storm in a tea cup ? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52711995"Nicola Sturgeon has hit back at suggestions that a coronavrius outbreak at a conference in Edinburgh in February was covered up. At least 25 people linked to the Nike event may have contracted the virus but people who shared facilities with delegates were not told. The first minister said details were not made public at the time because of patient confidentiality guidelines. But MP Ian Murray accused Ms Surgeon of keeping "vital information secret". "BBC Scotland has been told that staff from Lloyds Banking Group were among those who shared facilities with Nike delegates. A total of 20 Lloyds employees were in the same hotel on the same day but were not told about the outbreak and were not offered testing." "Ms Sturgeon insisted all proper procedures were followed and "contact tracing was done rigorously in this situation". But Ms Sturgeon's explanation that patient confidentiality was paramount in this situation is wrong, according to shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray. The Edinburgh South MP has written to the first minister to claim the patient confidentiality point is "unfounded in terms of law and runs counter to the recognition in law of the over-riding public interest"
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 19, 2020 9:37:35 GMT 1
Need to also compare number of tests carried out in other areas to get a true comparison. Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown. since the goverment has eased some lockdown measuers, for some safe distancing seems to have gone out of the window and with it commen sense, i expect a peak in new cases in two to three weeks time. some of which would have been avoidable but for a stupid minority.
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 9:44:13 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 9:58:18 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:19:54 GMT 1
I agree, there should be criticism of the government reactions, its not all been good, some has been shambolic, and some unbelievable, but when it is levelled, and now is not the time, but it will come, it has to be done constructively, taking into account the actions of others also. The Care homes situation is terrible, that cannot be denied, but why?? were the government being given correct information at the time?? were the NHS complicit in its actions of discharging patients at the correct time for the correct reason, All those questions need to be asked.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 10:42:34 GMT 1
I agree, there should be criticism of the government reactions, its not all been good, some has been shambolic, and some unbelievable, but when it is levelled, and now is not the time, but it will come, it has to be done constructively, taking into account the actions of others also. The Care homes situation is terrible, that cannot be denied, but why?? were the government being given correct information at the time?? were the NHS complicit in its actions of discharging patients at the correct time for the correct reason, All those questions need to be asked. Dig up the drains later on, but does some analysis now lead to change now? When all the media and the opposition highlighted the woeful care home situation it suddenly became one of the government's top priorities.
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 10:55:56 GMT 1
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 19, 2020 11:07:11 GMT 1
Law breakers being targeted by the police, disgraceful! The ‘campaign’ is nationwide btw.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 11:43:15 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-st-davids-coronavirus-intu-18270798"The part-owner of Cardiff's St David's shopping centre has warned it could default on its debts. Intu, which owns some of the biggest shopping centres in the UK, previously warned that it could go bust unless it raises extra funds. With the coronavirus lockdown forcing stores across the UK to close, landlords such as Intu have been left struggling." it makes you wonder about the two shopping centers in town. Intu was already dying. Had been poorly run for years, turned down an offer of pounds for each share a year or two ago, before lockdon the share had gone down to a few pence each. It's going to depend what you do with a shopping cantre, Riverside in Shrewsbury will become a residential flats development. Shrewsbury is a nice town to walk around and I would feel I could socially distance better there than central Birmingham, so maybe a future.
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Post by venceremos on May 19, 2020 11:43:35 GMT 1
I agree, there should be criticism of the government reactions, its not all been good, some has been shambolic, and some unbelievable, but when it is levelled, and now is not the time, but it will come, it has to be done constructively, taking into account the actions of others also. The Care homes situation is terrible, that cannot be denied, but why?? were the government being given correct information at the time?? were the NHS complicit in its actions of discharging patients at the correct time for the correct reason, All those questions need to be asked. I broadly agree with that. There has to be a detailed review of everything around our handling of the pandemic and the main reason for that is to learn the lessons that need to be learned because, sooner or later, this will happen again. Inevitably, such a review will highlight mistakes and, hopefully, the reasons why those mistakes were made. Let the blame fall where it will and those responsible must answer for their actions, if culpable, with appropriate sanctions if justified. But the primary purpose must be to inform and learn. I'd only disagree with the "now is not the time" approach. Whilst we're in the midst of it all we have to learn as we go and we can't wait for an after-the-event enquiry when there are decisions to be made every day. It's essential that there is questioning at every opportunity, otherwise we risk decision making not being thought through, alternative not being considered and mistakes being compounded.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on May 19, 2020 11:50:50 GMT 1
Looks like the government are finally losing the wave of support that comes in a national crisis and many now see Labour as a credible alternative. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by davycrockett on May 19, 2020 11:50:53 GMT 1
Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown. since the goverment has eased some lockdown measuers, for some safe distancing seems to have gone out of the window and with it commen sense, i expect a peak in new cases in two to three weeks time. some of which would have been avoidable but for a stupid minority. Just in time for the schools reopening !!! Got to hand it to Boris he gets his timing spot on 👎🏻
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 11:56:28 GMT 1
Law breakers being targeted by the police, disgraceful! The ‘campaign’ is nationwide btw. The police have got used to running a police state, they won't want to let their grip on the general population slip. It's a back door way of making you think twice before driving unless essential.
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 19, 2020 12:11:43 GMT 1
Sweden passed the UK over the weekend on the deaths per capita measure.
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Post by davycrockett on May 19, 2020 12:13:11 GMT 1
I agree, there should be criticism of the government reactions, its not all been good, some has been shambolic, and some unbelievable, but when it is levelled, and now is not the time, but it will come, it has to be done constructively, taking into account the actions of others also. The Care homes situation is terrible, that cannot be denied, but why?? were the government being given correct information at the time?? were the NHS complicit in its actions of discharging patients at the correct time for the correct reason, All those questions need to be asked. If some areas have been shambolic (and I’d agree they have) surely now is the time to investigate, criticise identify who made the mistakes and deal with them. Need to turn this around by not continuing to make the same mistakes and hide behind ‘following the science’ Maybe the scientists got it wrong, maybe the politicians , the plotters or even the NHS (not questioning dedication just affectiveness) but something’s got to change.... At the moment we’re being led by headless chickens, it needs dealing with by very clever intelligent individuals with a second to none track record. Look at how the army stepped up in the areas of building hospitals, logistics, testing et al.... Hows would work if there’s a war? If your losing do you continue with the same Leaders and advisers? Just watched an interesting programme on the North Africa Desert war which was ‘shambolic’ until Churchill bought in Monty who turned it round rather than waiting till we’d lost the battle and then decide where it went wrong and who was to blame...... We entered WW2 with Chamberlain who lasted a disastrous year before Churchill took over. Would the outcome have been the same if we’d continued with Chamberlain who was out of his depth and just investigated what went wrong after we lost... Were at war with this and we need the best people to win the war with the least casualties...
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Post by northwestman on May 19, 2020 12:31:50 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8333513/Several-lessons-learnt-handling-Covid-19-MPs-say.htmlI see the blame game has now started. Scientific and medical experts (though without those SAGE minutes we haven't the material to work on), PHE, NHS England, DHSC (the civil servants, not Hancock of course) etc. I always felt that the scientific and medical experts were being set up to eventually take the blame by this Government by the number of times Ministers parrot 'we have always followed the scientific/medical advice'. Having said that, the likes of Jenny Harries does make a case for accountability, though as a civil servant she may be covering for Ministers. Before lockdown she backed Johnson’s plan not to ban large gatherings, noting: “We’ve looked at what sorts of interventions might help manage this as we go forward, push the peak of the epidemic forward, and in general, those sorts of events and big gatherings are not seen to be something which is going to have a big effect. So we don’t want to disrupt people’s lives.” She defended a fatal halt to tracking and tracing: “There comes a point in a pandemic where that is not an appropriate intervention.” We now know that it was lack of capacity that halted it. She called the UK “an international exemplar in preparedness” and told doctors to have a “more adult” conversation about the lack of PPE. She reiterated advice that it was “very unlikely” care homes would be infected. That advice was only withdrawn on March 13th, but SAGE minutes show that over a month earlier, advisers thought it was already a “realistic probability”
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 19, 2020 12:52:34 GMT 1
Sweden passed the UK over the weekend on the deaths per capita measure. Is that right? Worldomoters has the UK at 500+ vs Sweden at 366 per 1m (Still high when you consider relative population density; www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by frankwellshrews on May 19, 2020 12:57:33 GMT 1
Need to also compare number of tests carried out in other areas to get a true comparison. Agreed, but given that we have no testing centre within the county and the number of deaths has taken off too; I do not think that the percentage increase in infections is likely to be outstripping other areas because of increased testing here compared to other areas. More likely we have a problem and it is the wrong time to be easing lockdown. Isn't there a drive through testing centre at our beloved stadium? Either way, it is concerning. I read somewhere that the expectation is that there are some areas like Shropshire that avoided the first peak, by and large (speculation that peak infections was during the flooding in Shrewsbury meaning less commuting to more affected areas like black country and Birmingham), but will be very vulnerable in the event (certainty now surely?) of a second peak due to the lack of immunity built up. Still, R rate in London's nice and low though, so there we go.
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Post by salop27 on May 19, 2020 13:01:32 GMT 1
There's interesting levels of research going on behind the scenes. ONS have been conducting various telephone surveys for a while with the results being fed straight into government. The last few weeks they've also been visiting properties and collecting self administrated swab samples from households who've signed up for a year long project. Important to note though that all this has only been conducted in England so it's not surprising that England have relaxed restrictions earlier. Perhaps Scotland, Wales and NI have been using other sources for info but its surprising they haven't used ONS as well, as soon as its part of the UK government and is extremely good at its job.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 19, 2020 13:17:40 GMT 1
There's interesting levels of research going on behind the scenes. ONS have been conducting various telephone surveys for a while with the results being fed straight into government. The last few weeks they've also been visiting properties and collecting self administrated swab samples from households who've signed up for a year long project. Important to note though that all this has only been conducted in England so it's not surprising that England have relaxed restrictions earlier. Perhaps Scotland, Wales and NI have been using other sources for info but its surprising they haven't used ONS as well, as soon as its part of the UK government and is extremely good at its job. But scant evidence that Boris takes any notice, prefering to just announce arbitary dates. If he was taking any notice I am sure he'd be the first to tell us in case there was any comeback later on.
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